just doing a math check... did you account for general relativity ?
8 - 9 generations, moving at 1/5 (20%) the speed of light...
could be as much as 324 years?
lol math is fun XD especially space math XD
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8 - 9 generations, moving at 1/5 (20%) the speed of light...
could be as much as 324 years?
lol math is fun XD especially space math XD
A good hypothesis, I agree.If we're assuming the Codex is a clue, or many clues, then by rights any other clues should make sense when compared to the Codex - either by adding more context or explanation, or relating to an existing clue so we can see the continuation of the puzzle there.
Let's look at Shamash/Thetis for Raxxla clues:
Thetis:
Shamash:
- The Thetis picked up a "digital signal...originates from an uninhabited planet we passed 15 light years ago", clearly stated.
- The signal is describes as: "It’s the same message relayed again and again and again – it’s more a whisper than anything else; it says, ‘kill them all’…"
- Thetis is current 53ly from Sol, and we know it was travelling long enough for 8 generations (just started on 9) to be born, using standard calculation of Generations that's between 220 and 270 years, give or take. That's 1ly per 5 years of travel, approximately, we don't know if they stopped at all along the way, but that seems about right for an advanced gen ship.
- Thetis is stopped in Nefertum around planet 6. We don't know if that's an astronomically lucky thing, or it stopped there automatically/intentionally, or one of the survivors stopped the ship deliberately. It's not a system that seems desirable for a new colony.. who knows!
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- One pilot/squad from the military unit "Grey Swan" on exercises picked up a 'murder signal' which caused them to want to kill others.
- The signal "seems to bury itself in the comms network, generating its own feedback loop to maintain broadcast".
- There's a mysterious armoured person in a 'skull mask' helping people survive attacks at Garrett Orbital by killing those infected by the signal. (This was also the outfit rewarded for the CG.)
- Those infected seem to remain 'normal' for some time after infection, something like 20-30mins at least.
- The audio from Shamash contains a message in the spectrogram with the words "Kill them for me"
- Shamash is 15.5ly from Nefertem (The Thetis).
- If you chart Sol (the origin point of Thetis), and Shamash and Nefertem you can clearly see they don't align. Unless the Thetis changed course dramatically, it never passed Shamash.
Raxxla Codex:
- The only indication of an audio presence in the Codex is "whisperer in witch-space", which is exceptionally specific - witch-space, and whisper.
- If you wanted you could compare this line "the legend exerts a strangely potent fascination on the minds of seekers." to the Thetis/Shamash signal's effects on humans, but it's clearly not intended to be read that way, and it's a very different effect even if you read it as a physical 'infection'
Conclusions:
Is Shamash/Thetis in any way similar to any part of the Raxxla legend or the Codex?
Looking at the facts we have - I personally don't see any connection whatsoever, other than the word 'whisper' used to describe a perceived voice in the Thetis signal. The rest is a case of "one weird thing might be linked to another weird thing".
It seems undeniably clear that the Thetis signal is some version of the Shamash signal, and that some 'agent' or 'agents' already knew about it (Skull-mask person), or rapidly moved to vigilante justice. The two systems proximity is odd, as is the Thetis' orientation to Shamash. It's possible Grey Swan was experimenting with the signal, or being experimented on (both very interesting ideas that tie into my theory at the end!).
Yes, the Thetis signal come from an unknown source 1,000 years ago - but that has been in the heart of the bubble for over a thousand years now, and so far we've only seen one 'event' like this occur. Though honestly I feel pretty strongly that next Halloween season we might see another one where we have to put down another 'murder signal' event and maybe learn a little more about it...
What might Thetis have picked up then?
I think there's an easy answer that many overlook:
The Thetis was launched from earth between 2097 and 2150-ish. So let's assume the Thetis was launched in 2110, it travelled for at most 270 years, that means it picked up the 'murder signal' around the year 2380.
By 2380 Hyperdrive had been in use for almost 300 years, there is active war between the Federation and Empire, human colonies had spread out a lot. Sirius had become a corporate powerhouse and brokered a truce btween the Federation and Empire. You can stretch this for a few decades either way and the answer is the same:
And the Thetis was no more than 53ly from Sol during this time, well within the sphere of FTL expansion: Alioth was discovered in the 2390's, that's 83ly from Sol.
The Thetis signal was almost certainly a human-made signal (or a human made rogue AI). There would have been human colonies out there, undoubtedly black-ops military scouts, Federation-Imperial special ops teams unofficially duking it out, probably military research projects on distant worlds to keep them secret, etc. etc.
Think about it: a 'murder signal' that infects any comms system and sends anyone who hears it even for a few seconds into a murderous state. That's definitely a weapon. For all we know the Thetis was deliberately targeted by whoever made the weapon, a 'lost' generation ship with thousands of people aboard is a perfect test-lab. I wouldn't be surprised if the unfolding Halloween event story is about how someone rediscovered the old research and tested it out on Grey Swan.
Technically the signal ought to have originated from a planet 15 light years away on a line of sight to Sol - easy… that’s why up until now I discarded this as being linked.
But if we look at the Thetis and Shemash and draw a 15 light year bubble around each, they are inside each other’s sphere of influence! That’s suspicious!
I only draw them into the hypothesis because of Shemashs link to the story of Gilgamesh; he being a key figure in the Holdstock works of Lost Realms and Ragthorn. All of which have a storyline which is suspiciously similar to that in the Codex… then we have these odd locations, very close to the hypothetical ceiling of heaven on the outer rim of a sphere of systems named after storm gods, right next to the Greek fates and the Norse Norns!
We then have three systems used by Brookesin his Drabbles - one of them Tiamat, a goddess whose body made the stars! And right next to it the system Siren?
From a Miltonian perspective - Eden might hang… from such a location?
I don’t believe the Shamash system is key, but I feel it’s more a flag, something weird is abound..
You can’t deny it’s just too weird…
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The Thetis logs say:
When the Thetis crewmember says this they mean "The signal originates from a planet that was uninhabited when my grandparents passed it 75 years ago".
I also pointed out that the alignments don't make sense. If The Thetis passed Shamash "15 light years ago" they why is Shamash further away from Sol than the Thetis is?
- Shamash is 56ly from Sol.
- Nefertem is 53ly from Sol.
And there's all the other stuff I said about how the Shamash/Thetis signal doesn't seem to match with anything in the Codex, and all the stuff about relativity and the Thetis being overtaken by FTL-capable ships as per the lore, etc.
I think the rest of your idea is really interesting
Just can't see how Shamash/Thetis fits in with Raxxla at all, never have. If you have other ideas, I'd love to be wrong about this, a lead like this would rock No I didn't think of that at all! Nice catch
That sort of thing makes it even more likely to be a human signal then really, puts the Thetis 'murder signal' somewhere in the mid 25th century (approx). That puts us in the era of the colonisation of the Old Worlds (Lave, Diso, Leesti, etc.), Alioth by the Federation, more expansions, etc.
What of Enkidu?
I’ve been pondering about Shamash, solely because it’s the deity prayed to by Gilgamesh to protect him and Enkidu. I do find it peculiar why so many of the characters from Gilgamesh’s story are in game, except that of Enkidu!
Enkidu was a sort of golem, a wild man, bull beast or sexless wild thing made by the gods from clay to fight Gilgamesh, but who ultimately becomes his best friend, and whom Gilgamesh goes upon his journeys to ultimately save, in some texts they may also have been interpreted as lovers?
Is Gilgamesh in game as a reference to Holdstocks Ragthorn. Is he the Vagabond, is Enkidu his heart’s desire? Are they star lovers?
Upon his death Enkidu curses the door he built for the temple of Enlil, made from the trees from the Cedar Forest a sacred otherworld only accessible via a secret passage through a mountain. Is this the door which is also a key?
Thinking of the term Shibboleth, in this regard, when the Gilgamesh text was translated, Enkidu was originally interpreted as Eabani?
I believe in the Hebrew Enkidu and his lover were Eabani and Ukhat, and could have been the prototype Adam and Eve? don’t quote me I’m simply tin-foiling off memory juice…where they met Seru may have also been interpreted as Edin. becoming Eden in the Hebrew reworking of this myth?
I’ve been pondering about Shamash, solely because it’s the deity prayed to by Gilgamesh to protect him and Enkidu. I do find it peculiar why so many of the characters from Gilgamesh’s story are in game, except that of Enkidu!
Enkidu was a sort of golem, a wild man, bull beast or sexless wild thing made by the gods from clay to fight Gilgamesh, but who ultimately becomes his best friend, and whom Gilgamesh goes upon his journeys to ultimately save, in some texts they may also have been interpreted as lovers?
Is Gilgamesh in game as a reference to Holdstocks Ragthorn. Is he the Vagabond, is Enkidu his heart’s desire? Are they star lovers?
Upon his death Enkidu curses the door he built for the temple of Enlil, made from the trees from the Cedar Forest a sacred otherworld only accessible via a secret passage through a mountain. Is this the door which is also a key?
Thinking of the term Shibboleth, in this regard, when the Gilgamesh text was translated, Enkidu was originally interpreted as Eabani?
I believe in the Hebrew Enkidu and his lover were Eabani and Ukhat, and could have been the prototype Adam and Eve? don’t quote me I’m simply tin-foiling off memory juice…where they met Seru may have also been interpreted as Edin. becoming Eden in the Hebrew reworking of this myth?
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One small addition to the shamash/tethis:
Tethis signal said kill them all.
Shamash signal said kill them all for me.
Which implies a modification or evolution of the original signal.
To me kill then all sounded like guardian ai. It found out that guardians are bad and decided to... kill them all.
2nd signal i fantasized to be infected by Salvation, who perhaps fiddled with some club tech and tried to turn it against goids. Kill them all for me. Inserting his ego to an advanced tech system seems to be on point Salvation...
If 22460 was his attempt in uploading himself (back?) to the monolith network, then whatever caused thetis could have been affected...
Tethis signal said kill them all.
Shamash signal said kill them all for me.
Which implies a modification or evolution of the original signal.
To me kill then all sounded like guardian ai. It found out that guardians are bad and decided to... kill them all.
2nd signal i fantasized to be infected by Salvation, who perhaps fiddled with some club tech and tried to turn it against goids. Kill them all for me. Inserting his ego to an advanced tech system seems to be on point Salvation...
If 22460 was his attempt in uploading himself (back?) to the monolith network, then whatever caused thetis could have been affected...
Thetis doesn't need any trajectory overlap with Shamash. A simple solution would be an overlap of the lines Sol>Nefertem & Sol>Shamash, no?
The thetis picks up the signal back there somewhere, and in modern times someone else finds it.
Modern jump tech makes the Shamash location more or less meaningless, but in a meta interpretation FDev used Shamash intentionally. So a coincident trajectory would be a way to expect players to solve it.
I might be interpreting something wrong, but don't we just need to go to this overlap?
Edit: I see that they might not overlap, but that's ok. It's the overlap of the Sol>Thetis trajectory & a reasonable sphere of influence from Shamash which matters.
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@Louis Calvert - Anyone at Cannon done analysis on the MB Memorial Tourist Beacons audio when in FSS?
I was poking around at Artemis having mapped "The Underworld" and seeing if there were any unusual transmissions from Col 70 sector fy-n c21-3 and towards Barnard's loop (as well as other directions) and noticed the tourist beacon was quite noisy...
I haven't checked any other's yet to see if it's a std audio for MB tourist beacons (or other beacons), but thought I would ask before I do as there's nothing on the Cannon page I could see (https://canonn.science/codex/brooks-galactic-tours-beacon/)
I did have a quick play in Audacity... Which based on the sound the spectrogram turned out how I expected...
I am thinking binary in there with the diff heights of the bars or something similar...
I did apply a few settings spectrogram setting (including the old Tharg ones for Col 70).... but couldn't see any Raxxla picture though!
Here's a recording, while it's 3 mins long the audio message is short so lots of looping...
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOXcKGWcWMI
I was poking around at Artemis having mapped "The Underworld" and seeing if there were any unusual transmissions from Col 70 sector fy-n c21-3 and towards Barnard's loop (as well as other directions) and noticed the tourist beacon was quite noisy...
I haven't checked any other's yet to see if it's a std audio for MB tourist beacons (or other beacons), but thought I would ask before I do as there's nothing on the Cannon page I could see (https://canonn.science/codex/brooks-galactic-tours-beacon/)
I did have a quick play in Audacity... Which based on the sound the spectrogram turned out how I expected...
I am thinking binary in there with the diff heights of the bars or something similar...
I did apply a few settings spectrogram setting (including the old Tharg ones for Col 70).... but couldn't see any Raxxla picture though!
Here's a recording, while it's 3 mins long the audio message is short so lots of looping...
I agree, that's exactly my point.
The Shemash signal is derived from the Thetis signal. As I said in my post, it's extremely likely it was a military/corporate test of a 'murder signal' - both times.
The Thetis signal originated some time around 2380-2450-ish, depending on Thetis speeds and relativity. There were plenty of HUMAN colonies around the Thetis at this point, 50ly from the launch point in Sol, and the Federation and Empire were at war/in a state of Cold War, we'd had Hyperdrive for 2-300 years.
There's not really any reason to suspect alien anything at all to fully explain the Thetis signal.
If I'm missing something that connects Raxxla and Shamash/Thetis, please let me know!
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Oh that's really a really interesting idea!@Louis Calvert - Anyone at Cannon done analysis on the MB Memorial Tourist Beacons audio when in FSS?
I was poking around at Artemis having mapped "The Underworld" and seeing if there were any unusual transmissions from Col 70 sector fy-n c21-3 and towards Barnard's loop (as well as other directions) and noticed the tourist beacon was quite noisy...
I haven't checked any other's yet to see if it's a std audio for MB tourist beacons (or other beacons), but thought I would ask before I do as there's nothing on the Cannon page I could see (https://canonn.science/codex/brooks-galactic-tours-beacon/)
I did have a quick play in Audacity... Which based on the sound the spectrogram turned out how I expected...
I am thinking binary in there with the diff heights of the bars or something similar...
I did apply a few settings spectrogram setting (including the old Tharg ones for Col 70).... but couldn't see any Raxxla picture though!
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Here's a recording, while it's 3 mins long the audio message is short so lots of looping...
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOXcKGWcWMI
I have literally zero to do with Canonn, so your guess is a good as mine! I've not seen anything on the Canonn site, that's really all I use because they keep a decent database of discoveries.
I actually don't know if anyone has done any investigation on the tourist beacons themselves (as opposed to the text content). That's probably worthwhile if it's not already been done, if you need a hand collecting recordings or anything let me know, happy to help out.
Went to take a look and I did find a clear sine wave near the end of the 4th log message which was interesting and indicated a clue to audio / EM frequency. This wave fell between the 5000Hz and 7000Hz range with a period of approximately 20 seconds.
Other than that I didn't see much....and then I read this line of the Federation's "response"
I was too busy looking for shapes or patterns I forgot to check the full spectrum.
Then I went back to boost the spectrographic gain settings..........
This appeared in the 16kHz-22kHz rangeSpectrographic image of all 5 audio logs - you can see the distinctive 'odd' 5th audio log at the end.
You can see they are stacked on top of each other with distinctive markers showing an approximate signal range.
Edit: nevermind, found out how.
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ahh I assumed you were in Cannon based on the signature and interest in landscape signal ;-)
Just trying to signal boost things that seem interesting and need help
Hi folks. Just checking in after a long break. Seems like we did not found it yet. I just stumbled upon an interview of DB, which had this peculiar screenshot from Elite 2.
I wonder which 2 more systems those lines connect? Maybe totally irrelevant, may be someone else pointed out earlier i dont know. But very peculiar to be honest.
I wonder which 2 more systems those lines connect? Maybe totally irrelevant, may be someone else pointed out earlier i dont know. But very peculiar to be honest.
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I've just returned to game to do the Michael Brookes (author of Elite: Legacy) Galactic Memorial Tour & find it strange that it starts in Artemis with a megaship named "Legacy" (with a decal saying "Raxxla Ho!") and ends in PMD2009 48 at the TB by the Orion Nebula Tourist Centre....there is a system named "Legacy" only 20ly further on- one might say "And fast by"!
the golden chain might be the string of 2Mass stars pointing back towards Sol?
I've spent the day exploring that system, especially the large rayed crater (resembling an omphalos?) on the moon (only one in system) Legacy B5a, but found nothing.
Jewel on the brow of the Mother of Galaxies- Barnards Loop/Orion Nebula? It is spectacular!
Whisperer in Witchspace Siren of the deepest void - Witchhead Nebula? also spectacular!
Parent's Grief Lover's Woe - singular parent & lover! death of a spouse...leaving a Legacy?
Yours stumped of Deep Fernweh (my ship name) !
the golden chain might be the string of 2Mass stars pointing back towards Sol?
I've spent the day exploring that system, especially the large rayed crater (resembling an omphalos?) on the moon (only one in system) Legacy B5a, but found nothing.
Jewel on the brow of the Mother of Galaxies- Barnards Loop/Orion Nebula? It is spectacular!
Whisperer in Witchspace Siren of the deepest void - Witchhead Nebula? also spectacular!
Parent's Grief Lover's Woe - singular parent & lover! death of a spouse...leaving a Legacy?
Yours stumped of Deep Fernweh (my ship name
) !Recent discussions made me think of this
So many of my idle investigations have pointed me to the Orion Nebula area in one way or another over the years but never anything concrete (not sure what I was looking for!)...
I've also assumed if it's out that way then that would most likely indicate Raxxla is locked off behind a permit... mmm... has it always been locked? would someone have gone out there early on for the view and honked? That pattern on the Tharg barnacles Barnardy?, etc, etc not to mention Greek mythology and then of course the exact thing you mentioned with the stars.... LOL
(....and was also why I was asking about the Milton theory and Thargs/Guardians)
And I remember mentioning ages ago it pointing back to Sol and being slapped down with the "that's a result of the star catalogue not knowing distances, etc"
But there has been a lot of effort in naming star systems out there and all to do with space, astronomy, astronauts, etc from memory.... I tried bookmarking them (before the number was increased) and ran out quite quickly...
Ah...here's a list I did... always thought all of it would be being a bit obvious...
The Quest To Find Raxxla
The use of the term Shibboleth: a custom, principle, or belief distinguishing a particular class or group of people, might have been used to identify a specific name within that system… Its moon is interestingly named Kyllikki, which as @simulacrae identifies, might refer to a character from...
Plus I was waiting for someone to comment on this from my prev post (you all failed the test... how will we ever find Raxxla! LOL).... see anything like a chain and pendant just to the right of the words "The Legacy" ? ;-)
Might log in now and see what it's hanging from!
EDIT: Might want to head here too...
NGC 1999: This dark nebula is located just east of the Orion Nebula and is home to the Trapezium Cluster, a group of young, massive stars.
So a bit of a void... and keyhole nebula...."Place that isn't a place, door that is also the key. The myth"
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I watched the whole lot from start to finish for the first time since they were on TV the other month.... an absolute classic
Recent discussions made me think of this
May I ask is NGC 1999 permit locked?So many of my idle investigations have pointed me to the Orion Nebula area in one way or another over the years but never anything concrete (not sure what I was looking for!)...
I've also assumed if it's out that way then that would most likely indicate Raxxla is locked off behind a permit... mmm... has it always been locked? would someone have gone out there early on for the view and honked? That pattern on the Tharg barnacles Barnardy?, etc, etc not to mention Greek mythology and then of course the exact thing you mentioned with the stars.... LOL
(....and was also why I was asking about the Milton theory and Thargs/Guardians)
And I remember mentioning ages ago it pointing back to Sol and being slapped down with the "that's a result of the star catalogue not knowing distances, etc"
But there has been a lot of effort in naming star systems out there and all to do with space, astronomy, astronauts, etc from memory.... I tried bookmarking them (before the number was increased) and ran out quite quickly...
Ah...here's a list I did... always thought all of it would be being a bit obvious...
The Quest To Find Raxxla
The use of the term Shibboleth: a custom, principle, or belief distinguishing a particular class or group of people, might have been used to identify a specific name within that system… Its moon is interestingly named Kyllikki, which as @simulacrae identifies, might refer to a character from...forums.frontier.co.uk
Plus I was waiting for someone to comment on this from my prev post (you all failed the test... how will we ever find Raxxla! LOL).... see anything like a chain and pendant just to the right of the words "The Legacy" ? ;-)
Might log in now and see what it's hanging from!
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NGC 1999: This dark nebula is located just east of the Orion Nebula and is home to the Trapezium Cluster, a group of young, massive stars.
So a bit of a void... and keyhole nebula...."Place that isn't a place, door that is also the key. The myth"
Not in game so can't check but very curious.
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thats NGC 1999, gonna say no permit