The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Staarlord]

I've also searched around Capricorni and COL 285 area, using the option to avoid visited systems it would take me through new systems every run. I was using my Mandalay as 9ly range wasn't enough, after a few runs there weren't enough unvisited systems in range so it would give an error. But with my Mandalay on economical route I was able to scan multiple systems around that area.

I think I'm gonna stop for now, until more info comes out, or unless people organize another massive potato hunt, this time for systems over 200ly from Sol and around the Capricorni, COL 285 area.

Whenever I feel the urge to go look for Raxxla some more, I'll go back to that area and scan a few more systems I haven't visited yet. At least I was able to map over a dozen gas giants, which weren't mapped yet. And made some nice credits out of this.

Yeah it's hard not to develope the feeling of, "what are we even f'ng doing again?" But I.still have a touch more exploration in me. At first, I wasn't mapping many unmapped bodies--only unmapped gas giants and any unmapped 8th bodies, but now I'm doing all gas giant moons. However, I'm starting to think FDev went another direction and probably wouldn't put Raxxla where people expect it. So now I'm wondering, per, the Codex, if the station orbits in close proximity to a supergiant that may be only has one body in close proximity to it. I'm starting to think the image in the codex wasn't exaggerated. There may be a gas giant (or other body) that orbits in very close proximity to a yellow orange star of some type. Maybe even a tauri star or red dwarf.

When I'm burned out on the Capricorni vicinity, I've always wanted to check between Sol and Quince. Quince always felt very out of the way, back in the day and I've always felt something could be hiding there. I started back when Eranin was out starting system, so maybe I'll repeat that Eranin to Quince run in a sub-9ly eco jump run a few times.

 

[Staarlord]

Unfortunately, the area Drakkster reported could just be slightly over 200ly from Sol, meaning it won't be reached by the existing Raxxla hunt. Perhaps a new one is needed for that specific area. I'm hoping someone smarter than me can make a spreadsheet for us to go brute force it as a group. It would be much less systems, if we focus on that particular area and over 200ly range from Sol.

He provided the link to the guide that he was using at the time, I believe. I noticed that a couple systems in his itinerary has since been renamed, such as one of the Capricorni sector systems now being called Telinar. All of the neighboring Capricorni systems in that guide are exactly that range (200-250ly+ from Sol).

I'm not doing the part of his guide that takes me too far into Synuefe territory because it gets too far below Capricorni and starts to go over 300ly from Sol. The later parts of his itinerary has us too close to Sol and too far above Capricorni as well. For example, I initially started on line 70 of his itinerary because I was thinking that by his mentioning of having done "70 or more jumps?" meant that he was on line number 70+ on his itinerary. So? I started at somewhere like number 67 and just worked upward but I was way too high above Capricorni, come line 72 (I believe). I also then told myself, "silly goose...line 70 doesn't mean jump 70..." Because he was only doing 6-7ly jumps. So most likely jump 70 would have been something more around line 45-50 on his RR guide. Maybe less, since he was side exploring... And therein lies the problem.

Unless we know that he was actually plotting between these systems and not massively going A.D.D. with his jumping and plotting manually (which is easy to do)? The RR guide may be no guide at all. For all we know? He could have side explored the moment he left LHS 3447 and been manual plotting. We all do it...we all go "ooo...what's over there?" And once we get there, we go, "ooo! What's over that now?" And end up 50-60ly of course, which means that now when you go back to plot? You'd be taking a completely different set of stars than would have taken if plotting from LHS 3447 and just following it...and he did say he side explored. We have very little info to go off of, making it a goose chase at best. We don't even know what his definition of "near Capricorni" means. Like, within 100ly of? Or within about 10-20ly?

All-in-all? His RR guide may just be telling us "Go explore this 400ly radius... It's somewhere there!" As the guide takes you close to 400ly from Sol... And we already suspected that Raxxla was somewhere in range of the bubble and the magical numbers everyone keeps coming up with is that it's likely 300-400ly from Sol lol. In fact? For a hot minute there, a popular unconfirmed rumor was that it was in range of an unmodified Cobra, and an unmodified Cobra has something like a 300 or 400 light year range (I'd have to look at the in-game specs again and don't even know if the game still provides total range statistics anymore, since it's largely useless to us). All it means is that if you eco jump you could get up to 300-400 light years of range without refueling, which had people theorizing that Raxxla was in Polaris because Polaris was exactly whatever that figure was from Sol... But? Again, nobody knows where that quote originated from. A lot of people have claimed to have spoken to Mr. Braben, off record, about Raxxla.

 

[El Saico]

Yes, this seems to be the answer, entering Synufe DZ-D D13-78 gives exactly the same behaviour. But the double star at tau-2 Gruis-A is actually labelled "AB" because the system is named "Gruis A" so the system that should be "Gruis B" seems to be missing

Omicron Capricorni B is a particularly infamous example of the same thing as it's a popular spot for mining platinum.

 

[Staarlord]

Also? I highly suggest checking populated space. It's the only thing that seems to line up with the "I think you have to make some of it a tiny bit obvious so the players know what they are doing" statement, as well as DW's quote, about knowing "why people haven't been able to find it." Not many people explore/ re-explore populated systems. Of course, the other bit he could have been referring to is the fact that it sits on a body 500,000ls out from the origin star, or referring to explorers only mapping valuable bodies, or not scanning rings... But I feel like the "somewhat obvious" statement fits best with populated systems, as well as with everyone's hunch about it being hidden in plain site. Maybe it's not so blatantly obvious a system as LHS 3447/ Eranin, or Sol itself, but populated none the less. There are plenty that are outside the bubble, or even in the vicinity of Drakkster's claims.

Even player controlled systems could make sense, if a player group had already discovered it and are protecting it. One thing I keep finding myself coming back to is Shinrarta. Perhaps an obscure signal that only reveals itself when close by. I know we've combed that system quite a bit, but can't help the fact that the DW (named) faction are already there and there there are gas giants there that fit the description, the star matches the codex picture and one does need to be Elite rank as lore would state is one requirement.

Currently, I'm checking populated systems around Capricorni. I feel like if Drakk's accounts were true? The system probably got a name from that point on, or had been renamed since...although I supposed Telinar has now earned a name and is not populated. I'm also starting to come to the realization that the gas giant in question will have already been scanned and probably require a second scanning. Especially if recent claims are true. Give me a even been deliberately scanned by developer. Either way? Back in 2017 all you needed to do was approach a planet to map it and if it indeed did reveal a different name? It was mapped in order to do so.

 

[Enzix]

I've been thinking, if Raxxla and TDW are connected and if we search for TDW station by getting hostile with TDW that would make the search a bit easier.

For the sake of this argument, lets say that the station of TDW os out somewhere, its the only station in the system - hidden.

Now, when you're hostile to them and jump in the system where they are then it should say "Hostile" on the HUD (lower right part of the hud) if I'm not mistaken...

 

[Rochester]

I've been thinking, if Raxxla and TDW are connected and if we search for TDW station by getting hostile with TDW that would make the search a bit easier.

For the sake of this argument, lets say that the station of TDW os out somewhere, its the only station in the system - hidden.

Now, when you're hostile to them and jump in the system where they are then it should say "Hostile" on the HUD (lower right part of the hud) if I'm not mistaken...

Sound logic. Bravo. But there’s the strong belief, from the codex, lore and 3rd hand observations that the in game faction is bogus!

I too suspect the DW station is in game, simply because the codex provides us actual ‘new’ data on its location. This was never previously identified in any of the historical lore.

If the DW faction is bogus I might wonder too the station if ‘dark’ remains hidden because it’s a dead station.

We know the DW missions were removed, so we might speculate they could have been intended to have gone someplace, but I doubt it was towards the ‘real DW’ I suspect initially this was a folly or precursor to a much earlier Guardian/Thargoid narrative not taken.

I’m entertaining the idea the real DW died off, or splintered into factions, loosing their original objectives?

If so, the codex was I presume a redux of an archived story, it might be more ‘practical’ to book-end the various links, namely I’d like to entertain FD put in as a derelict station?

This might correlate with FD modus operandi of derelict gen ships etc???

If so I entertain it’s could be a dead station with some cool voice logs… as the codex does allude it holds ‘information’….

It been derelict means it’s easier to hide, no traffic nor population flags?!?

 

[Staarlord]

I've been thinking, if Raxxla and TDW are connected and if we search for TDW station by getting hostile with TDW that would make the search a bit easier.

For the sake of this argument, lets say that the station of TDW os out somewhere, its the only station in the system - hidden.

Now, when you're hostile to them and jump in the system where they are then it should say "Hostile" on the HUD (lower right part of the hud) if I'm not mistaken...

Well now that is an interesting thought. My rep is still maxed from the CMDR Kai Zen initiative. Never thought to outright start attacking them lol If anything the real Dark Wheel comes out and sends you an invite as a thanks.

Anyone with neutral or lesser standing with the dark wheel feel like risking their rep further? Forr the sake of experimenting? And racking up a bounty In the process? I mean, I guess it would be easy to get the rep back up. Just take all that handy - dandy exploration data and sell it to them in LFT 926 to get your standing back up

I once for fun decided to go Shinrarta and mindlessly start attacking all non-wanted targets in a Prismatic Cutter build. I think I racked up like 300 mil in fines. Not including the rebuys when the police force would come in and one-shot my generator with whatever super torps they use but I deliberately avoided attacking Dark Wheel ships. Otherwise? I was almost on the right track lol

 

[Nezzie Muso]

Well now that is an interesting thought. My rep is still maxed from the CMDR Kai Zen initiative. Never thought to outright start attacking them lol If anything the real Dark Wheel comes out and sends you an invite as a thanks.

Anyone with neutral or lesser standing with the dark wheel feel like risking their rep further? Forr the sake of experimenting? And racking up a bounty In the process? I mean, I guess it would be easy to get the rep back up. Just take all that handy - dandy exploration data and sell it to them in LFT 926 to get your standing back up

I once for fun decided to go Shinrarta and mindlessly start attacking all non-wanted targets in a Prismatic Cutter build. I think I racked up like 300 mil in fines. Not including the rebuys when the police force would come in and one-shot my generator with whatever super torps they use but I deliberately avoided attacking Dark Wheel ships. Otherwise? I was almost on the right track lol

I got hostile jwith TDW ust by accepting missions and then abandoning them. Never fired a shot in anger

 

[Easy]

He has lost all his data!

How is this the case? I recently purchased a new computer. Clean install, all of my codex discoveries are intact, my kills, my first footfalls, everything. I would find it dubious that there would not be a Codex entry concerning Raxxla.

 

[Neestar]

nvm.

 

[varonica]

How is this the case? I recently purchased a new computer. Clean install, all of my codex discoveries are intact, my kills, my first footfalls, everything. I would find it dubious that there would not be a Codex entry concerning Raxxla.

Why would there be, can you use the codex to list all your visited systems? No you can't, as far as the game is concerned this is just another visited system, there isn't any area in the codex that lists the systems you have visited or stations you have discovered. The codex discoveries are just that, certain particular and FDEV selected discoveries you have made, not a log of everything you have done, these are stored separately in the player journal and visited star cache that is stored on the players computer! If you don't back them up and move them to your new PC then you lose all record of all the systems you have visited. The only thing the codex will give you is totals, visited systems, first discovered, first footfall etc, but not the systems themselves! I trust you backed up you journals and visited star cache and transferred them to your new PC, otherwise you have lost all that historic data and you cannot produce a list of visited systems!

 

[Staarlord]

How is this the case? I recently purchased a new computer. Clean install, all of my codex discoveries are intact, my kills, my first footfalls, everything. I would find it dubious that there would not be a Codex entry concerning Raxxla.

I feel like this game, like the original, was built with the intention of being an offline/ single player game and not an online/ MMO/ live service hybrid. Things like this just don't happen in the past 20+ years of online gaming. If anything? Things like this are tracked for security purposes, to see if people have history and earned/ visited/ unlocked everything legitimately.

If I signed back into my Eve, or even old Guild Wars or WOW? My region maps and hard cartography work would still be explored and I haven't installed either of those games in years lol. Those stay forever and do not reset with your PC, unless you delete your online account too.

No offense to Varonica, but I've seen Varonica make a few defending comments on the topic, in a manner that would incite that it's not FDev's responsibility and is always surprised that everyone else is surprised about this lack of persistence. Trust me...it's not everyone else Discussions on the topic are out there. On Reddit, the forums...people are upset about this offline .dat format and loss of data in an otherwise Online game. This wasn't a problem for me on Xbox because it would seem the user profile data also goes to the cloud, I'm guessing. I've only experienced this on PC. Sure, this sort of thing was common 30 years ago. Perhaps these sort of expectations are based on the generation of gamer one is. But it is also true too that present day online gaming has just sort of defined its own standards over the years. I doubt Star Citizen will do this. Currently it does, due to regular wipes and also nothing to explore.

Anecdotally? I once participated in a delivery based CG (meta-alloys to a station? Maybe?). I didn't know you had to "sign up (for a lack of better words)" for CGs. The CG website didn't say that, Galnet didn't say that...nothing in-game said that. The long of the short? I called support, a couple days later and they stated my failure to (effectively sign up) and that they had no record of what I had picked up/ delivered. They don't log that stuff!

 

[athulin]

How is this the case? I recently purchased a new computer. Clean install, all of my codex discoveries are intact, my kills, my first footfalls, everything. I would find it dubious that there would not be a Codex entry concerning Raxxla.

First, you don't know the criterion for the Codex to create such entry. Is being warned off the premises enough? Or is a data scan (or two) that counts? Or something more complex: fight off all guards, shoot at the green spot so that it opens, then the black one, and last datascan the panel begind the golden one, find a coordinate, go there, repeat until you reach final installation. (There's an old entry somewhere about a player who tried to fool Frontier customer support, rang them, and said "I've found Raxxla! What do I do now?" Answer: "Really? Congratulations! Which one?". I suspect that might be deliberate misdirection from support ... if it is at all true. But just perhaps ...)

Second, I think the early postings by Drakkster explained the situation, if not well at least adequately. If I recall, original installation on a Mac sometime back in 2017 or so, journal files apparently not backed up, and computer since lost or sold or ... whatever. Current game on PC, account details (stored on servers) remain as they were, but journal files (stored on Mac) obviously gone. While Frontier does keep user logs account around now (though I can't locate a specification of the parameters for that), that apparently started around 2020, and the event probably happened around 2017-2018, and there's a copy of a reply from tech support to that effect.

Tracing a specific system where something odd happened at an unspecific date means looking at visited systems in the journal files in the same order as they happened. In this case, locate the start of the R2R and the follow that. But without the journal files that's not possible.

"And so by indirections find directions out."

 

[Staarlord]

...anyway, back on the topic of Raxxla. I breaked, momentarily, from the "My Great Capricorni Search," to follow some codex clues; "The jewel on the brow of the mother of galaxies..." for example. I bookmarked the Cassiopeia constellation but a star is missing. Anyone know why a certain class B star, Navi (Gamma Cassiopeia) is missing? I know people were following this codex lead like 6 years ago, but wanted to finally check it out for myself. I don't think the "Brow" is specifically referring to the head of Cassiopeia, which there technically isn't even a star for." Rather, I think the constellation itself looks like a brow, so was going to go to the peak/ apex star of that brow, which is Gamma Cassiopeia/ Navii/ HR 264...but it's not in the game. It should be between Schedar and Ruchbah but slightly offset from them. Coincidentally Kuhn almost seems to be in the perfect position, but is the wrong star type. I don't see any B-class in that vicinity. I can't even find Achird.

 

[Philip Coutts]

First, you don't know the criterion for the Codex to create such entry. Is being warned off the premises enough? Or is a data scan (or two) that counts? Or something more complex: fight off all guards, shoot at the green spot so that it opens, then the black one, and last datascan the panel begind the golden one, find a coordinate, go there, repeat until you reach final installation. (There's an old entry somewhere about a player who tried to fool Frontier customer support, rang them, and said "I've found Raxxla! What do I do now?" Answer: "Really? Congratulations! Which one?". I suspect that might be deliberate misdirection from support ... if it is at all true. But just perhaps ...)

Second, I think the early postings by Drakkster explained the situation, if not well at least adequately. If I recall, original installation on a Mac sometime back in 2017 or so, journal files apparently not backed up, and computer since lost or sold or ... whatever. Current game on PC, account details (stored on servers) remain as they were, but journal files (stored on Mac) obviously gone. While Frontier does keep user logs account around now (though I can't locate a specification of the parameters for that), that apparently started around 2020, and the event probably happened around 2017-2018, and there's a copy of a reply from tech support to that effect.

Tracing a specific system where something odd happened at an unspecific date means looking at visited systems in the journal files in the same order as they happened. In this case, locate the start of the R2R and the follow that. But without the journal files that's not possible.

"And so by indirections find directions out."

To my knowledge Frontier doesn't have a customer support phone line...

 

[Zimous]

I really can't say of Drakkster is being honest or not, maybe he is, but he could just as easily have mistaken something else for Raxxla. Or maybe he found the TDW station? Anyways, I've done alot of searching in that area and am burned out. Don't think I'll go back there unless it's like a massive group effort like the Great Raxxla Potato Hunt. I did get to map a bunch of gas giants and a few 8th moons along the way, so it wasn't a complete waste.

As for the TDW station being in Shinrarta that's my main theory. Shinrarta can only be accessible when you reach Elite rank (or to founders) and has 2 gas giants with 8 or more moons. One of them even has a beacon which talks about how secretive the Players' Federation is and how TDW is an offshoot of PF. So I think the idea was that this is the TDW system where they have the hidden station. And since it's hidden we can't find it, unless you get an invite first which never happened.

As for Gamma Cassiopeiae it's in the game, under the name 27 Gamma Cassiopeiae. I had already searched it once and found nothing. Same for Achird, it's under the name Eta Cassiopeiae. If you search these on Wikipedia it has a part which shows all the names given to this system. Normally it's easy to find it under the "HIP something" name, when available.

Personally I tried all stars in the Cassiopeia constellation and never found anything. Maybe you will have better luck. I moved on to other possible jewels.

As for Drakkster logs he said he uninstalled Elite from his Mac when FDev stopped supporting Mac. And as people explained the logs are all in your PC, if you delete them they are lost for good (unless you uploaded them to one of those sites which maps the galaxy). Unfortunately how the game is made everything you discover isn't registered anywhere other than your local logs. There is no way for anyone to know which systems are explored or not, or partially explored. FDev didn't figure a way to make it work without overloading the servers I assume. Which is a shame, meaning we can't focus on unexplored systems or partially explored, which makes exploration a bit inefficient and pointless in some cases (apart from being a way to make credits and leaving your name on it).

Do you ever wondered why we only have scanned less than 1% of the galaxy? First reason is because it's huge yes, but the second reason is because there is not way for you to avoid exploring what is already been explored by other players, you only know if something is unexplored when you arrive at the system in question. So this makes it much more difficult to explore new areas, since most players tend to fly around the same paths, and for me takes any and all motivation to go out and explore. Of course there are sites and plugins which help with this, but would require that all players used it regularly, which isn't the case as it's a third party tool.

So this makes me thing we're not meant to brute force this. Assuming Raxxla is something you can find and interact with, it's likely that you need to figure out where it is, and not blindly search for it in the Milky Way (otherwise we would have found it by now, unless it's really far from the bubble). As for the DW station, could be that Drakkster found it some years ago, but I think it's more likely to be in Shinrarta Dezhra. Whether it's actually discoverable is another story.

If new information is provided, or FDev decides to drop a clue or hint in the game, I'll happily resume my search, but for now I'm more and more convinced there's nothing to find, at least for now. I hope the rest of you has better luck.

 

[Zimous]

To my knowledge Frontier doesn't have a customer support phone line...

I think they used to provide one at the very beginning, I heard something about it, but can't really confirm. Still I wouldn't take any of those 2nd hand claims from years ago seriously.

 

[Pyroboros]

I moved on to other possible jewels.

Currently heading towards Jewel Box Sector. Maybe the mother has put her Jewels in a save spot.

 

[Zimous]

Currently heading towards Jewel Box Sector. Maybe the mother has put her Jewels in a save spot.

Be sure to visit HR 4876, the brightest star in the jewel box.

 

[Blaggerdy]

Do you ever wondered why we only have scanned less than 1% of the galaxy? First reason is because it's huge yes, but the second reason is because there is not way for you to avoid exploring what is already been explored by other players, you only know if something is unexplored when you arrive at the system in question. So this makes it much more difficult to explore new areas, since most players tend to fly around the same paths, and for me takes any and all motivation to go out and explore. Of course there are sites and plugins which help with this, but would require that all players used it regularly, which isn't the case as it's a third party tool.

Many people may have been to the system, or body, etc. and not seen or realised what it was so I don't feel I can discount anything

Currently heading towards Jewel Box Sector. Maybe the mother has put her Jewels in a save spot.

Been there 2-3 years back had a good look around. Hope you find something though - I'd still be pleased if someone found Raxxla in a place I'd already been but not seen or realised what was there