The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Reyedog]

So the dweller has some interesting dialog.

The way he talks to you is almost like someone else within the base or by the base or in the area is spying on him and yourself as a cmdr. He also mentions not to be scanned after leaving the base. That is an odd thing to suggest to a player.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

So the dweller has some interesting dialog.

The way he talks to you is almost like someone else within the base or by the base or in the area is spying on him and yourself as a cmdr. He also mentions not to be scanned after leaving the base. That is an odd thing to suggest to a player.

If you're in the bubble, can you check Gamma-2 Normae ? It's marked as invalid for colonization, but I can't find anything about it why it would be. It's fairly unremarkable, doesn't seem to have any beacons or listening posts or other known things in it.

 

[Reyedog]

If you're in the bubble, can you check Gamma-2 Normae ? It's marked as invalid for colonization, but I can't find anything about it why it would be. It's fairly unremarkable, doesn't seem to have any beacons or listening posts or other known things in it.

will do. Also its hard to tell but no stations around The dwellers base but from a distance you can clearly see a light emitted like one is there behind the planet.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

will do. Also its hard to tell but no stations around The dwellers base but from a distance you can clearly see a light emitted like one is there behind the planet.

There are a lot of carriers there. Maybe you're seeing one of them?

 

[Reyedog]

There are a lot of carriers there. Maybe you're seeing one of them?

maybe. But I am in normal space atm when i took that picture. Is it possible to see something like that out of super cruise?

 

[SHEA PARDH]

I mean, you can fly there and see what it is, right? I would imagine the whole system is simulated.

My experience has been that visuals like that don't change between SC and normal space.

 

[Reyedog]

I mean, you can fly there and see what it is, right? I would imagine the whole system is simulated.

My experience has been that visuals like that don't change between SC and normal space.

It's a construction ship that wasn't showing up for the controlling faction.

 

[SHEA PARDH]

That's true, a beacon might be the only thing left to record the event because the most likely scenario for what happened is a failed colony. None of the BGS events, even infrastructure failure, prevents a system from recovering and growing again.

When a primary station is placed within a system to kickoff colonization - if it's a Coriolis, Orbis or Ocellus - then it's economy type is Colony. This means it consumes everything and produces very little (ie. hydrogen & bio waste). Once the industrial/hi-tech/extraction/refining outposts, settlements and installations are built then the system becomes more self sufficient and starts to develop a production economy depending on what other constructs were built.

When a station like the Orbis powers down to be undetectable, 75% power reduction isn't enough - it will still output the emission level of a Coriolis. The TDW had to bring it down to a level below that of an outpost for the cloaking to work. We're talking about a reduction of 90% or more so either most of the population of 100k was gone by then or the TDW is a secret association of mass murderers.

Which is why the most likely possibility, to me, is that this particular colonization effort failed and no other structures were built that could sustain human life. TDW then took over the station after the mass evacuation occured then powered it down.

The other grimmer possibility is that something killed off 90+% of the population and they shut down the whole thing. This would be the scenario where a beacon might be found.

I don't know if anyone ever thought through those scenarios, but IMO they hijacked a station and pulled it out of the original system. Now for that to be possible, they had to somehow get the station empty, and that's a heist on its own, but I don't see why they would absolutely have to depopulate the entire system. If there was more than one starport in the system, losing one is still a big event, but not something that's going to cause a system collapse.

So they faked some scenario where the usual personel of the station had to be gone, and jumped it. "For maintenance" maybe? Let's say it was "on fire" or some sort of thing like that, everyone evacuated, and they were "saving" the planet below from debris falling on people by making a "brave sacrifice" to take it out of the system and "go down with it". Boom, a stolen station in an unknown location.

 

[Reyedog]

I don't know if anyone ever thought through those scenarios, but IMO they hijacked a station and pulled it out of the original system. Now for that to be possible, they had to somehow get the station empty, and that's a heist on its own, but I don't see why they would absolutely have to depopulate the entire system. If there was more than one starport in the system, losing one is still a big event, but not something that's going to cause a system collapse.

So they faked some scenario where the usual personel of the station had to be gone, and jumped it. "For maintenance" maybe? Let's say it was "on fire" or some sort of thing like that, everyone evacuated, and they were "saving" the planet below from debris falling on people by making a "brave sacrifice" to take it out of the system and "go down with it". Boom, a stolen station in an unknown location.

Kinda like the nmla saga? https://www.elitedangerous.com/en-US/news/galnet/galactic-mysteries-nmla

 

[Tifu]

So they faked some scenario where the usual personel of the station had to be gone, and jumped it. "For maintenance" maybe? Let's say it was "on fire" or some sort of thing like that, everyone evacuated, and they were "saving" the planet below from debris falling on people by making a "brave sacrifice" to take it out of the system and "go down with it". Boom, a stolen station in an unknown location.

That's theoretically possible. Wouldn't such an event caused waves in the media though? "System X missing an Orbis station!" would be major news after all.

It's also possible that the second station was a planetary port like Haarsma Terminal in Col 285 Sector AG-O d6-83. It's the only station/port in the system and even has large landing pads. I actually claimed my colonization system from there.

Hmmm...I think I better take a good look around that system. It's kinda unique in not having an outpost or large orbital.

 

[Tifu]

Heads up.

source: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...-target-systems.612125/page-393#post-10572718

Reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/1j93zow/ummm_guys_why_do_we_have_thargoid_czs_in_the

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/1j93zow/ummm_guys_why_do_we_have_thargoid_czs_in_the/

 

[Tifu]

Tikurua is a Mahon fortified system

source: https://inara.cz/elite/starsystem/?search=Tikurua

 

[Bigmaec]

That's not fair.

They said we won the war

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

no problem and thank YOU for sharing your findings , because honestly who knows which tiny little supposedly "obvious" ( or insignificant ) thing amidst the universe might end up leading us to Raxxla
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btw everyone, quick question & update:

• question: Relating to this old thread--> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...the-the-dark-wheel-which-system-is-it.477422/ ... Do we know for certain exactly which type of STAR shown in background image from Codex actually is defined? Is it a 'T Tauri' type star?
• update: After many many weeks of desperately searching & trying to "do" things ( aka basically just playing the game ) that might prompt another ostensibly random 'Mysterious Stranger' TIP-OFF mission to target me & my ship ( re: ingame mail trigger ) , i have finally gotten another MS tip-off mission tonite !! This is only my 5th tip-off mail in a year of being "casual" yet devoted player. --- *Yes i realize most people believe these tip-offs ( most ignore them ) are nothing important and just some cheap coded method by which to encourage pilots to explore generic POI's or whatever , but i dunno.... Perhaps , with RNG + certain parameters-to-unlock, these tip-offs just might lead someday to a particular POI with a data-clue about Raxxla ( or Dark Wheel ) .

A couple of years ago (iirc) I looked at that pic. The station is the same type as in Aulin. Comparing the colour of the lights on the rear of each station I adjusted the colour of the codex pic to match Aulin. That suggested the codex pic is actually of an M6 subdwarf. However FD have never said that pic is of the (alleged) TDW hidden station- it is just there, might be the station or it might be obfuscatory fluff. In any case I think the scaling of the items within it has also been manipulated.
One of my posts on this topic:

The Quest To Find Raxxla

Did you attack them? They were hatchbreaking me IF I start to shoot. Not initially no, the scanned me and all of them demanded it. They were consigned to the void for their troubles. All I wanted was some low res illegible text as well ;)

forums.frontier.co.uk

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

With the advent of Trailblazer, we now know the construction requirements and initial system populations associated with orbital stations types.

The Orbis station likely to be the HQ of the Dark Wheel is a T3 construct, the highest possible. It requires 200K+ tons of materials, enough to build 4 Coriolis stations (T2). In contrast, an outpost only requires 18K+ tons of material.

A system with an Orbis has at least 100,000 inhabitants at the start - an outpost starts out with 10K at the most. Whichever system the original station was in, this was a major and very expensive undertaking before TDW took over and powered down the station.

You do not power down a station of this capacity unless some critical event happened to the system. This is the sort of incident that leaves tracks in Galnet or the Codex, it is something that cannot be hushed up.

I have in the past postulated that it might have been constructed as a staging post during a war (possibly first Fed-Imp war), if the losing side built it then that would be good reason for abandoning and forgetting its existence. If it was military then that is also a reason for stealth technology, though that could have been added later (e.g. by TDW)- there was an old galnet post about a sculpture (memorial to the Antares?) that used light-bending properties of metamaterials. If you bend light enough so it goes around an object then that object becomes invisible. Hence this alleged station may also be related to the guardian/thargoid/space barnacles/meta-alloys storylines (iirc Fed convoys were the earliest source of MA & thargoid sensors).

 

[Neestar]

There is another option that this is a shot of a secondary star in a system, not a primary one. This reduces the distance requirements, and primary could be far away.

So, you could be looking at some system where the primary is some O, B, A, or F, with a secondary of maybe T and a gas giant paired in a close-ish orbit, far away, and the shot is of the T star, and you don't actually see the gas giant in the picture.

Right right , hmm... gosh it could be almost anywhere!
Sometimes this entire daunting search makes my head spin.

Has anyone ever tried to kill an anomaly? I'm still out by Eta Carinae and I stopped by the nearest p-type4 lagrange cloud and im curious what tests anyone has done with them.

i still haven't even found one yet and i think it's one of the last entries in my Codex that i still need to get...

So The Dweller has some interesting dialog.

The way he talks to you is almost like someone else within the base or by the base or in the area is spying on him and yourself as a cmdr. He also mentions not to be scanned after leaving the base. That is an odd thing to suggest to a player.

Yeah now that i been reading your posts & theory , all them Engineers are totally sus!

Heads up. - Tikurua is a Mahon fortified system

Yes! Finally some ACTION again! ( i had a good/baaaaaaadddd feeling about this very thing a couple weeks ago--> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...-target-systems.612125/page-391#post-10559214 )
Colonisation, "open" beta ... It's all been a TRAP!!

A couple of years ago (iirc) I looked at that pic. The station is the same type as in Aulin. Comparing the colour of the lights on the rear of each station I adjusted the colour of the codex pic to match Aulin. That suggested the codex pic is actually of an M6 subdwarf. However FD have never said that pic is of the (alleged) TDW hidden station- it is must there, might be the station or it might be obfuscatory fluff.
One of my posts on this topic:

The Quest To Find Raxxla

Did you attack them? They were hatchbreaking me IF I start to shoot. Not initially no, the scanned me and all of them demanded it. They were consigned to the void for their troubles. All I wanted was some low res illegible text as well ;)

forums.frontier.co.uk

ok awesome thanks yeah i'm gonna go check out your post(s) later for sure CMDR! o7
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btw , whilst i was heading out to my aforementioned newest 'Mysterious Stranger' ( tip-off mail mission ) , i stumbled upon something i've never seen before. Again, this type of stuff might be "common" to everyone else i dunno , but i'm just saying in over a year of playing this wonderful game , i've personally never come across this type of strange & ominous spatial chatter ( notice the targetted ship-pilot's name "Sam Shadow" and ship named "SPECTRE" ) ....

.... AND nearby 'Checkpoint' space instance to drop into ...

...which somehow had not 1 not 2 not 3 but FOUR ^^^^ nav-beacons within ( all scannable each giving me separate blue 'data' in panel-3 Info screen, but i have no idea where systems the data gave me anew ) ...

... But maybe THAT ^ very ironically named NPC ( "Evidence Storage" ) knows where the Dark Wheel bodies are buried?!?!

 

[Tifu]

I have in the past postulated that it might have been constructed as a staging post during a war (possibly first Fed-Imp war), if the losing side built it then that would be good reason for abandoning and forgetting its existence. If it was military then that is also a reason for stealth technology, though that could have been added later (e.g. by TDW)- there was an old galnet post about a sculpture (memorial to the Antares?) that used light-bending properties of metamaterials.

Found the Galnet post, wasn't even aware that the light bending material existed

Galnet News | Elite Dangerous Community Site

community.elitedangerous.com

 

[Reyedog]

Found the Galnet post, wasn't even aware that the light bending material existed

Galnet News | Elite Dangerous Community Site

community.elitedangerous.com

yup its been a mechanic in the game.

 

[El Saico]

Just came across a "places that don't exist" video on YouTube that talks about mythical locations (outside the best known ones), so I'll list those with corresponding systems:

• Himaphan - best known as Himavanta, a purported forest on the Himalayas where many Buddhist spirits are said to reside
• Penglai - a mountain linked to the Eight Immortals of Chinese mythology; that one was already noted by @Rochester a while ago
• Agartha - a subterranean kingdom related to hollow-earth occultists; according to the system description, it's famous for the exclusive Braben Woolens, and it was one of the destinations of the 3309 Holiday event

 

[Reyedog]

If you're in the bubble, can you check Gamma-2 Normae ? It's marked as invalid for colonization, but I can't find anything about it why it would be. It's fairly unremarkable, doesn't seem to have any beacons or listening posts or other known things in it.

I need to wait for A1A to get back into position and orbit. combining the two was causing weird effects I have never seen before. But I need to replicate it and take a screen shot of it. Was acting like when the Titans would screw up the hud. Also The Pipe Steam Cloud looks like an X from here. Sits just above Sag A center.