With no disrespect to those who dislike the FSS/DSS combo, I suspect the introduction of this mechanism was to enable players to 'find' things - something the ADS was seriously lacking in (unless the player was prepared to spend an indefinite amount of searching time for something that may not even exist... Hmm a bit like Raxxla :D ), so being 'given' a 'discovery' mechanism to unearth things that had been in the game for years yet unfound seems a reasonable step.

I've been quietly following this thread, and its spin-offs, for a while and enjoying the content. I just wish to point out (which must have been noticed) that the FSS/DSS & Codex were introduced together - is there a link?

@Scytale - shame you are not playing, your input here has been very thought provoking!
@DrewCarnegie - apart from loving the penguin - good input from you too, despite you loathing the new system :)
 

Scytale

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Yeah.. It's me. I just can't stomach that dull, 90's-ish chore FSS-minigame.
If you want players to find "things"... just put them in the game, and in a sensible and consistent way. They'll find them. They already proved it.
But for that, you need to have a real story teller. No need of technically ultra-competent computer engineers with a serious lack of creative fantasy ( who, btw, were told to insert some well known derelict on a travel line and it ended lying dozens of Ly away, with no ELW that was supposed (the story line) to be there...) 😝
 
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With no disrespect to those who dislike the FSS/DSS combo, I suspect the introduction of this mechanism was to enable players to 'find' things - something the ADS was seriously lacking in (unless the player was prepared to spend an indefinite amount of searching time for something that may not even exist... Hmm a bit like Raxxla :D ), so being 'given' a 'discovery' mechanism to unearth things that had been in the game for years yet unfound seems a reasonable step.

I've been quietly following this thread, and its spin-offs, for a while and enjoying the content. I just wish to point out (which must have been noticed) that the FSS/DSS & Codex were introduced together - is there a link?

@Scytale - shame you are not playing, your input here has been very thought provoking!
@DrewCarnegie - apart from loving the penguin - good input from you too, despite you loathing the new system :)
Ah yes, but remember that quite a few participants in this thread are old FRifters, who suffered the pain and tedium of eyeball-searching loads of planets in the hope of finding something. So yes, the fss/dss is FD’s response to the complaints we made and suggestions for better exploration search tools-I compiled a list of those from the four FRift threads into its own thread and submitted them to FD (sadly lost in the forum shakeup, at least I can’t find it anymore) . Some of them were very good ideas, and I don’t think many people would complain about the dss, but the current implementation of the fss is not yet up to quality; it needs a good engineer to polish/upgrade it!!

From the discussion above I’m wondering if the SD Raxxla-related E/F missions were overtaken by the improved missions mechanism and we should be concentrating on analysing TipOff missions from TDW at SD? Has anyone done so? (I’m aware of Macros’ et al current investigation).

@ Tacticus- the Codex tells us, from Felicity Farseer’s words, that TDW at SD is real, because they’ve been in business for a long time but haven’t been closed down as she says imposters always are. Also some spiky-haired female ( who was she?) in Elite Premonition said that The Real DW (TRDW) is a conglomerate of like-minded organisations, with “wheels within wheels”, and TDW at SD is just “spinning on the outer rim”, which is clearly an FD reference to the wording of those E/F missions that Scytale misses so much (Macros et al undertook them all but apparently they didn’t lead anywhere, unless he’s joined TRDW and found Raxxla but is sworn to secrecy! 😉)
 
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Has anyone noticed that when you fly out near the Horsehead Nebula and/or Col 70, the hyperspace tunnel starts spiraling rapidly around you? Spiraling stars?
YES VERY MUCH SO! I just spent 3 days out past rigel, in the Orion nebula and then Barnard's loop area and then 900lyto the left(if facing the Sanguineous Rim border) I noticed it because I thought it was some kind of lag at first.

I noticed the whole border of the Sanguineous Rim in that area is blocked off by permit zones, either cool 70 sectors or horsehead darks. Is really irritated as it kept me from completing my tour of the Orion constellation. But those spinning fs jumps stopped before I got back to rigel on my way back to the bubble
 
That i noticed and followed it tru...
im at the Col 70 atm, been going along the permit locked areas and checking the immediate systems and have found cool stuff, and interesting things, but since u cant go into those areas... Cant follow up on what ive seen or suspect, wich is a shame, the game sudendly becomes interesting but i cant continue... :(

Other stuff is that on that region there is parts u hear strange noises too when u hyperspace that beats me what it means, but i would speculate it means something...

Ive done so far... 700+ jumps in this region alone!
So u can guess the amount of data i got from this small area of space alone to turn in already...

Will continue to go along the side of the permit locked areas scanning and mapping, till i decide to lose the economic route planning and go straight and fast to the nearest station.
 
Sure thing, the E/F missions were related to a certain celestial body, you know the one I mean. Place that isn't a place, door that is also the key. The Myth.
So, Raxxla ? Cirag ? Soontill (the real one)?
So, interestingly... they may be bugged. I went back to TDW and looked at some cargo missions.

While they look the same on the surface:
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One was a standard mission:
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Other was an E/F mission:
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It's not just an "Elite" thing either... they also offered some other missions which just had the "Elite" rank req. Maybe a bugreport is due...
 

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That i noticed and followed it tru...
im at the Col 70 atm, been going along the permit locked areas and checking the immediate systems and have found cool stuff, and interesting things, but since u cant go into those areas... Cant follow up on what ive seen or suspect, wich is a shame, the game sudendly becomes interesting but i cant continue... :(

Other stuff is that on that region there is parts u hear strange noises too when u hyperspace that beats me what it means, but i would speculate it means something...

Ive done so far... 700+ jumps in this region alone!
So u can guess the amount of data i got from this small area of space alone to turn in already...

Will continue to go along the side of the permit locked areas scanning and mapping, till i decide to lose the economic route planning and go straight and fast to the nearest station.
Just for reference, Col 70 is roughly spherical and about 1,000 ly in diameter. Just so you know the kind of distances you're looking at! :D

Which part of the Col 70 border have you been checking?
 
Just for reference, Col 70 is roughly spherical and about 1,000 ly in diameter. Just so you know the kind of distances you're looking at! :D

Which part of the Col 70 border have you been checking?
Watch my video I posted here. That's the region col 70 sectors near Orion nebula and Barnard's loop. Again sorry for the poor quality.
 
Source: https://youtu.be/SfXRUUGdFaI


This is about an hour of exploring those areas around the Orion nebula, where some of the more intense frame shift jump spinning takes place for me. Sorry for it only being 360 quality. Around 4:08 is one of those jumps we're talking about. Sadly galnews prevents any voices from beyond from being noticed by me.
Yeah. There's definitely nothing out of the ordinary with the jumps at a basic level I'm afraid.

Now if someone's able to prove a causal link to something for those jumps it would be interesting. That's going to take a lot of checking from a good number of people though, and I'd be surprised if it's not all been tested before.
 
Just for reference, Col 70 is roughly spherical and about 1,000 ly in diameter. Just so you know the kind of distances you're looking at! :D

Which part of the Col 70 border have you been checking?
Without being at home and going in the PC (game) to check to give u the rundown of what im doing, im running for some days now on the bottom area, below the sectors, last sector was the Olo... something (cant recall from head the correct name), heading in the Synuefe general direction now.

Been around these:

M41
Col 69
Col121
NGC1746
 
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Scytale

Banned
So, interestingly... they may be bugged. I went back to TDW and looked at some cargo missions.
It's not just an "Elite" thing either... they also offered some other missions which just had the "Elite" rank req. Maybe a bugreport is due...
A new bug report about the E/F missions can't do any harm. FD is used to, they'll survive.
Now, it's interesting to see that the word "Founders" is back. Not sure up to what point, though.
Anyway, the fact that some missions are reserved to Elite and others to Elite and Founders is quite a point ! Imho.
Be aware that the ancient missions were more likely given by other factions, aimed at doing espionnage on TDW suspect activities.
 
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Ah yes, but remember that quite a few participants in this thread are old FRifters, who suffered the pain and tedium of eyeball-searching loads of planets in the hope of finding something. So yes, the fss/dss is FD’s response to the complaints we made and suggestions for better exploration search tools-I compiled a list of those from the four FRift threads into its own thread and submitted them to FD (sadly lost in the forum shakeup, at least I can’t find it anymore) . Some of them were very good ideas, and I don’t think many people would complain about the dss, but the current implementation of the fss is not yet up to quality; it needs a good engineer to polish/upgrade it!!

From the discussion above I’m wondering if the SD Raxxla-related E/F missions were overtaken by the improved missions mechanism and we should be concentrating on analysing TipOff missions from TDW at SD? Has anyone done so? (I’m aware of Macros’ et al current investigation).

@ Tacticus- the Codex tells us, from Felicity Farseer’s words, that TDW at SD is real, because they’ve been in business for a long time but haven’t been closed down as she says imposters always are. Also some spiky-haired female ( who was she?) in Elite Premonition said that The Real DW (TRDW) is a conglomerate of like-minded organisations, with “wheels within wheels”, and TDW at SD is just “spinning on the outer rim”, which is clearly an FD reference to the wording of those E/F missions that Scytale misses so much (Macros et al undertook them all but apparently they didn’t lead anywhere, unless he’s joined TRDW and found Raxxla but is sworn to secrecy! 😉)
Talking of old Rifters, are the Children of Raxxla still an active PMF? They pretty much abandoned/boycotted the official forums after the Salome debacle, probably due to the abusive s**tshow the forums descended into after some people didn't like the way the endgame panned out. There were/are a bunch of smart people in that group with a lot of good ideas. I miss having them around to (RP) argue with.
 
Finally reached The Void just now. I notice there is a sector in this region called Phaa Chrie, which phonetically might be read as 'Far Cry', so it sounds ideal to look for a siren of the deepest void. It may take me a while to reach as crossing the gap to the Sagittarius Carina Arm from where I am on the edge of the Outer Arm may require a detour through The Conduit.
 
Talking of old Rifters, are the Children of Raxxla still an active PMF? They pretty much abandoned/boycotted the official forums after the Salome debacle, probably due to the abusive s**tshow the forums descended into after some people didn't like the way the endgame panned out. There were/are a bunch of smart people in that group with a lot of good ideas. I miss having them around to (RP) argue with.
AfaIk they are still around and will be launching some kind of Community wide effort in July.
 
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