So what exactly would it take to convince you that it is in the game, since you seem determined to believe that it isn't?

I am not determined to believe it isn't, search my posts, I posted graphics that are likely on Raxxla. And if it's there, there is likely some unknown mechanic. I searched for the Darkwheel a lot as well. All the permit unlocks, all the power play unlocks, triple elite, all generation ships visited, engineers unlocked, king and admiral ranks. CIEP , the Club, and Darkwheel all ignored the promotions.

I feel we have been forsaken. Even Cmdr Braben quit visiting the world. Perhaps Raxxla is the room he counts DLC income in. Or maybe he is just waiting for Fleet Carriers?
 

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I always had the feeling that the Raxxla Quest (I mean the quest ) had ended when the E/F missions disappeared and/or when MB left/was put aside.
Raxxla may very well be in game, but no longer/for now, findable nor is The Quest running, imho. That's why nobody knows what he is doing.
Keywords, like SAP 8, Trinkets of HF, etc.. were replaced by far fetched poetry and mythology. GalNet events have no continuity (Romero..), The Dark Wheel SD faction has become open to anybody as soon as you manage to undock from Eravate and even the Thargs are tired of so much inconsistency. Meh...
Only thing, perhaps, the Icon. But even this is not sure.
And it still is Macro's fault ! :p
 
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Regarding 'far fetched poetry and mythology', they're either deliberate clues, or obfuscation. I for one believe that at least some of them are the former. I think it may be a case of FDev not trusting people to just randomly stumble across it, and wanting to throw us a bone to chew on. I am curious about whether the SAP 8's and Trinkets still have any significance, or whether they were retconned out.

Regarding GalNet events not having continuity, there have always been "slow burn" GalNet stories. Halsey's ship disappearing, all of the seemingly obscure Salome movements, etc. I'm sure we'll see more of the Winking Cat burglar as well as Gan Romero. Personally, I prefer slow-burn stories. I don't want an entire story to belch up on GalNet and be done with while I'm working an 80 hour week, or on vacation.
 

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Regarding 'far fetched poetry ...snip..
So you think the game went from

there will be no clues... mmhh.. that's true... but I think you have to make part of it a tiny little bit obvious, so people know what they are doing
to
have that lot of poetic clues and then don't have the slightest idea of what you are doing...

Could be, yes.
 
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Here is a thought. Canonn, a group and website team have built a tool as a plug-in for EDMC which will send you on searches to planets looking for the Thagroid home world, or to discover possible Thagroid sites which have yet to be discovered.

Yet, no one has created a plug-in for EDMC for the search of Raxxla. Some like "bluecrash" have websites dedicated to sifting through rumors, story lines, theories and lore, but unless you are personally interested in this search and go hunting on your own, with some theory you believe in, there is no co-ordination between those who search possibly because we have no centralized search plan, or tool or add-in for the game which can co-ordinate any efforts made by individual searchers.

I'm not saying there is no website for gathering or disseminating information on the search but there is no one person or agency directing such a search.

If we had a tool or plug-in like the one which exists for Canonn and the search for the Thagroids, this tool or plug-in could be tied to some database which catalogs planets and locations which have been searched and suggest planets and locations which should be searched based on different theories of lore or story lines.

To date, the only thing we have as evidence of Raxxla's existence are statements by DB and Michael Brooks. Other than this, there is no community organization or data collection to examine or catalog of places searched, or theories and lore explored.

So, until we get organized and start eliminating possibilities or following up on story line and lore in some coordinated effort, it will be some noob or newbie who will eventually stumble upon it by accident. The only other solution here is that it is locked by permit somewhere or Fdev has not put it in the game yet, or never will and it's all been a hoax by Frontier.

o7....
It's like this thread doesn't exist...
 

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I would be very amused if it turns out that you can find Raxxla just by stumbling on it.
"Centralized search plans ?" Not compatible with the personal journey statement. Imho.
But even this may need to be retconned, after all.

The thing with this thread is... well.. you know, Rifters (who populated it) are kind of old grumpy individualists old school Explorers with the brain fried by space madness.
Not the best people to get organized... There is even one who spent weeks looking for Cas A ! Yes, I swear !
Another one spent one year circumnavigating the MW because he read somewhere that Raxxla was obfuscated in the outer rim, but forgot the meaning of obfuscated !
Now, there is young and dynamic people doing just as you say:
But just like anyone, they also don't know what they are doing. Which is fine because that's what is..
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I'm not suggesting that at all, but we are individually searching and not searching as any type of coordinated team or group, with no tools to assist in the search.

Compared to what Canonn and their website is doing for the search for Thagroids, we might as well be playing solo.
It's a very different proposition though.

How do you co-ordinate a search or create a tool to help you search if you don't know what it is you're actually searching for?

Take the EDMC plugins - basically they're 'read specific events from player's journal and transmit them via the ED Data Network'. So the question in terms of building a plugin is what journal events that aren't already being picked up are we looking for in terms of searching for Raxxla? Unless there's a clear, well defined answer to that question, then there cant be a plugin.
 
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Anyone have tryed to erase the Minor Faction "Dark Wheel" from Shinrarta Dezhra and LFT 926??? I m currently trying it, they are in war
 
So you think the game went from

there will be no clues... mmhh.. that's true... but I think you have to make part of it a tiny little bit obvious, so people know what they are doing
to
have that lot of poetic clues and then don't have the slightest idea of what you are doing...

Could be, yes.

The old Dark Wheel missions were the 'little bit obvious'.
Not that they were supposed to be a trail of breadcrumbs leading to Raxxla (that would be a LOT obvious), simply that they were the 'proof' that Raxxla was in the game.

There aren't any 'poetic clues'. There's a reference to a story with a similar name to a real poem, but that doesn't make it a clue - and the Codex specifically says that that theory is garbage anyway.

So we're still at 'There will be no clues', and here we'll stay.
 
I guess I'm a "Rifter" and an "old grumpy individualist old school explorer" but not afflicted with space madness. I'm 64 and only play Elite to search for Raxxla.

I'm awestruck and dumbfounded by the stories some have done in search of Raxxla. I guess I don't know the crowd I'm dealing with.



Granted, but how does a plugin for EDMC which searches for the unknown location of Thagroids differ from looking for the unknown location of Raxxla. Both are unknown locations and no one has any information what-so-ever on the location of Thagroids, their home world or undiscovered bases. The Canonn plugin just sends you on searches for the suspected locations, based on nothing more than someone elses speculations. We know nothing more about the possible locations of Thagroid bases as we know about the possible location of Raxxla. In both cases, we are searching in the dark for both, but one we have a plugin for.
Could you post a link to the plugin or relevant part of the website?

What you’re describing sounds partly like something I’m aware of but could be something different, so I wouldn’t want to make an incorrect assumption and give an answer on the wrong basis.
 
The more I read about Raxxla, in this thread and elsewhere, it seems more and more obvious to me that we missed the boat when it comes to the Quest for Raxxla. The Dark Wheel quests that are no longer on offer, the SAP 8 containers rumored to be part of an abandoned quest line. From what I understand about game development it looks as if the search for Raxxla was once a potential storyline the game could have developed, and instead they shifted focus to the Guardians and Thargoids. Nobody at FDev will ever come forward to tell us to stop looking because that would be admitting there is no mystery or intrigue in the billion star system galaxy.

In game development there is a certain way to integrate story with gameplay, just by playing the game and dedicating more time then the average player you can discover the features hidden by the devs, the core logic or specific conditions that provides an avenue to discover the mysteries. When I first joined the search for Raxxla there was a lot of gameplay I had no experienced with, and so there were potential avenues to possibly pursue Raxxla. Now I feel like I have exhausted every avenue of gameplay with Elite, and there is literally nothing to suggest the game is even built to handle whatever Raxxla was supposed to be. It's either just a brute force search, some kind of hidden moon logic feature that we haven't stumbled on yet, or a half finished plot line inside a permit locked bubble.

In my humble opinion, the Raxxla ship has sailed, FDev abandoned the questline to work on more "mainstream" gameplay when the playerbase decreased, and the entries in the codex are not new hints for the search but just concrete proof that Raxxla has been shelved as "lore". The codex mentions that people continue to search for it, they gave us a shout out, but aside from that it's all just flavor text. The only thing I see between the lines in the codex is "Raxxla is just lore, please stop looking for it".

Despite that (and this might be my first symptom of space madness), as others have said earlier, we need to come up with a new approach, a joint brainstorm that collates what we know at a more detailed level then anything previously. We need to squeeze everything we know about Raxxla until we find just one piece of hard evidence that Raxxla is in the game. We can't continue to search based on what devs tell us, the game needs to provide a verifiable hint that there is something to find.
 
The more I read about Raxxla, in this thread and elsewhere, it seems more and more obvious to me that we missed the boat when it comes to the Quest for Raxxla. The Dark Wheel quests that are no longer on offer, the SAP 8 containers rumored to be part of an abandoned quest line. From what I understand about game development it looks as if the search for Raxxla was once a potential storyline the game could have developed, and instead they shifted focus to the Guardians and Thargoids. Nobody at FDev will ever come forward to tell us to stop looking because that would be admitting there is no mystery or intrigue in the billion star system galaxy.

In game development there is a certain way to integrate story with gameplay, just by playing the game and dedicating more time then the average player you can discover the features hidden by the devs, the core logic or specific conditions that provides an avenue to discover the mysteries. When I first joined the search for Raxxla there was a lot of gameplay I had no experienced with, and so there were potential avenues to possibly pursue Raxxla. Now I feel like I have exhausted every avenue of gameplay with Elite, and there is literally nothing to suggest the game is even built to handle whatever Raxxla was supposed to be. It's either just a brute force search, some kind of hidden moon logic feature that we haven't stumbled on yet, or a half finished plot line inside a permit locked bubble.

In my humble opinion, the Raxxla ship has sailed, FDev abandoned the questline to work on more "mainstream" gameplay when the playerbase decreased, and the entries in the codex are not new hints for the search but just concrete proof that Raxxla has been shelved as "lore". The codex mentions that people continue to search for it, they gave us a shout out, but aside from that it's all just flavor text. The only thing I see between the lines in the codex is "Raxxla is just lore, please stop looking for it".

Despite that (and this might be my first symptom of space madness), as others have said earlier, we need to come up with a new approach, a joint brainstorm that collates what we know at a more detailed level then anything previously. We need to squeeze everything we know about Raxxla until we find just one piece of hard evidence that Raxxla is in the game. We can't continue to search based on what devs tell us, the game needs to provide a verifiable hint that there is something to find.


The real issue, thousand players hit end game, and there is no end game to team up and do together. There really isn't even a fleshed out contact system after achieving anything in the game. We have crime and punishment, but know goal and reward system at end game.

Then you have groups like Sagittarius Eye, who used the community for their unrelated goals of an RPG centric magazine, leeching this communities contracts for their RP magazine clique- showing up at LAVECON with their "big announcement" of a non-Elite based magazine... they have consistently angered community leaders, writers and artists who worked free, under management that is detestable. Notice the layout and content difference between issue #13 and #14 and now. Their decline reflects their treatment of people. Wish the missing nuke was used to Retcon their asteroid base.
 
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But does he? I thought the only mention/allusion to this was when he mentioned "numbered stations" but it has generally become accepted that he meant to say "listening posts." Is there more out there than this? I can't imagine that Federal Station numbers have anything to do with Raxxla.

CMDR Naysayer, out.

Michael Brookes confirmed that DB the “number stations” meant ED listening posts & UCB. Somewhere early in this thread I provided the reference.
 
He does not confirm or deny it. He says it's a silly question and Ed says probably. He said Fdev knows where it is, but not that it's in the game. Could just be a screensaver, at the hq. Yeah... we see it every 20 min of inactivity. Or perhaps it's what they call the break room. Lunch time, let's goto Raxxla.

At 13:43 “ does Raxxla exist ... what a silly question, of course!”

If that's not confirmation I don’t know what is.

Perhaps the summer heat is getting to people (I’m certainly suffering lack of sleep!) but a bit of salt seems to have crept into the last few pages. Please keep it friendly guys! We may not know what we’re searching for, where to look, or possibly even why why we’re still doing it. But we do it with a smile!
 
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At 13:43 “ does Raxxla exist ... what a silly question, of course!”

If that's not confirmation I don’t know what is.

Perhaps the summer heat is getting to people (I’m certainly suffering lack of sleep!) but a bit of salt seems to have crept into the last few pages. Please keep it friendly guys! We may not know what we’re searching for, where to look, or possibly even why why we’re still doing it. But we do it with a smile!


He doesn't say it exists in the game. It certainly exists on the pages of the Steven Eisler book, and in our hearts. The question was silly, and indirect.
 
Well, it should comply with Newton’s gravitational law since ED is supposed to be physics-based. Has nobody checked this? Surely someone must have!
Orbits compley with Kepler’s third law.
This does not limit the size or angle much. If it orbits close, it orbits fast.
 
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