The Quest To Find Raxxla

Oseris

Oseris
Want to throw another theory out there. You could potentially hide something in a permit locked sector AND have it be accessible. If there was ONE non-permit locked system in the middle of the sector and ONE path of unlocked systems that lead to it, it would be pretty unlikely someone is going to just casually scroll over it and see that a system in the sector doesn’t require a permit. It at least adds up to the “a cobra can reach it” prerequisite.
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Edelgard von Rhein said:
I reached the Star of India system today but the FSS shows nothing. I'll fly a circuit in SC to check via parralax for anything hidden nearby later today. What is the system map anomaly you mention? It looks normal to me. There is different music that is played when zoomed out and zoomed in, perhaps because when zoomed in you're within the perimeter of the star and every type of body has it's own music.
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If you look at the system map for about a minute, a strange morphing object pops out. This seem to exist in a layer between the star and the backgrund stars.
It’s best to start zoomed out, as it can fall behind the star otherwize.
 

Scytale

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Oseris said:
Want to throw another theory out there. You could potentially hide something in a permit locked sector AND have it be accessible. If there was ONE non-permit locked system in the middle of the sector and ONE path of unlocked systems that lead to it, it would be pretty unlikely someone is going to just casually scroll over it and see that a system in the sector doesn’t require a permit. It at least adds up to the “a cobra can reach it” prerequisite.
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Well, that looks quite like what we "enjoyed" when "The Cone Hoax" was running... Every single locked region has been searched for a path to enter. But there may be one not yet discovered. Was a theory about the supposed "lost map to Raxxla" of TDW.
 

rOmiLaYu

rOmiLaYu
Oseris said:
Want to throw another theory out there. You could potentially hide something in a permit locked sector AND have it be accessible. If there was ONE non-permit locked system in the middle of the sector and ONE path of unlocked systems that lead to it, it would be pretty unlikely someone is going to just casually scroll over it and see that a system in the sector doesn’t require a permit. It at least adds up to the “a cobra can reach it” prerequisite.
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sam23694

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I see a lot of ideas thrown out casually, and most of them immediately shot down by a member of the "been there done that" crew. So I'm volunteering myself and my ship for any expeditions, because I believe in the possibility that even the legendary few that were here 400 pages ago could have missed something. If there is a system that needs checking or a combination of game mechanics that needs exploiting let me know, I'll add it to my todo list.

Oseris said:
Want to throw another theory out there. You could potentially hide something in a permit locked sector AND have it be accessible. If there was ONE non-permit locked system in the middle of the sector and ONE path of unlocked systems that lead to it, it would be pretty unlikely someone is going to just casually scroll over it and see that a system in the sector doesn’t require a permit. It at least adds up to the “a cobra can reach it” prerequisite.
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If you have a particular permit locked region in mind let me know. I have my DBX fully gutted with 70+ jump range from when I was testing the BH in 27 Gamma Cassiopeiae. When it's supercharged it has a range of 297ly, maybe that's a requirement to get into an isolated system.
 

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sam23694 said:
I see a lot of ideas thrown out casually, and most of them immediately shot down by a member of the "been there done that" crew. So I'm volunteering myself and my ship for any expeditions, because I believe in the possibility that even the legendary few that were here 400 pages ago could have missed something. If there is a system that needs checking or a combination of game mechanics that needs exploiting let me know, I'll add it to my todo list.



If you have a particular permit locked region in mind let me know. I have my DBX fully gutted with 70+ jump range from when I was testing the BH in 27 Gamma Cassiopeiae. When it's supercharged it has a range of 297ly, maybe that's a requirement to get into an isolated system.
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As I said. There may be one not yet discovered.
This thread is, also, meant to share experience. I think. That's not "shooting down" anyone's idea.
And there is only one legend, here. The Boss. (The psycho penguins don't count !) :p
 
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[PS4] Filthymick420

[PS4] Filthymick420
rOmiLaYu said:
Just wanted to chime in on the whole "jump through a black hole" idea. Given the game mechanics, I think we are wasting our time with this theory. I don't think the game takes into account what is front of you (or anywhere around you, for that matter) when initiating a jump. I've jumped "through" planetary rings more times than I can count. Also, if a waypoint is behind a plantary or stellar body, the waypoint becomes obfuscated and you have to navigate around said body to get a clear path. So, clearly the game will allow you to jump regardless of what's in front of you, whether it be a ring or a station (anyone else jumped "through" the habitation ring?)...but in the case of planets or stars, it won't allow you to jump....so while(st) I applaud the effort, I don't think that's a tree what needs barking.
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By that logic the whole search should be disregarded seeing as everything else has produced the same results.
 

Edelgard von Rhein

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Han_Zen said:
If you look at the system map for about a minute, a strange morphing object pops out. This seem to exist in a layer between the star and the backgrund stars.
It’s best to start zoomed out, as it can fall behind the star otherwize.
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I spent five minutes this evening fully zoomed-out watching the system map for the Star of India, whilst in-system. There were no changes at all.
In supercruise, I completed a circuit of the star at a distance of about 290 Ls in line with the Galactic Plane and another at close to right angles to it but I did not see any moving points, so I don't think there is anything hidden off the system map close to the star. I'm in my long range AspX, Orpheus, so I have a good field of view.
It will probably be a day or two before I reach V1357 Cygni, depending on how much time I can make to play this week.
 

Scytale

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sam23694

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Scytale said:
As I said. There may be one not yet discovered.
This thread is, also, meant to share experience. I think. That's not "shooting down" anyone's idea.
And there is only one legend, here. The Boss. (The psycho penguins don't count !) :p
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It's not my intention to give offense or cause any drama, but when every idea is quoted in the next comment followed by "I remember back when we did that and found nothing, it's pointless" it might cause someone to abandon what could be a valuable lead. It seems counter productive, but perhaps I'm taking it too seriously. In any case I volunteer to follow up on any leads.
 

[Diplomacy] Carnegie

[Diplomacy] Carnegie
CMDR Maylor Rom said:
Something strange in 27 Cass, see if you agree?

I have been looking at the orrey of 27 Cass and found something unusual. The Black Hole is on a circular orbit around something in the center of it's orbit which is not visible.

First, black holes DO NOT ORBIT other bodies given their tremendous gravitational pull. Other bodies orbit black holes because the black hole has more gravity than do other bodies and this is how we discovered Sag-A in real life. We calculated the orbits of bodies around black holes which we CANNOT SEE directly, and given these calculations of other visible bodies orbiting black holes, we then conclude that the mass we cannot see IS A BLACK HOLE. This is scientific fact. This is how we discover black holes we cannot see directly. So, In Elite, in 27 Cass, we have a black hole "orbiting something" we cannot see or find. What is this black hole orbiting?

Black Hole at 27 Cass (orbiting something) (Black holes do not orbit, period.)
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The second problem here is that the Black Hole (Oribiting something) is also being orbited by a Neutron Star. In my web research, I have not found any references to a Neutron Star orbiting a black hole, not to say it is impossible, but given both have extreme gravitational attractions with the black hole having more gravitational force, the neutron star would eventually be pulled in. Besides this, black holes and neutron stars are both collapsed stars and black holes are created by very large dying stars of sufficient mass to create a black hole. If the dying star does not have sufficient mass, it will become a neutron star as opposed to a black hole. This gets stranger because we have both a black hole and a neutron star in the same system. So, this implies there were two dying stars, possibly a binary pair of stars, both which have collapsed, but far enough apart not to destroy one another in the collapse of each, one becoming a black hole and one becoming a neutron star, both in the "same" system. This, if it were discovered in real life astronomy, would be a galactic discovery in it's own right. So, this is a very "unique" system indeed.

Moving on, there seems to be some corrolation between the neutron star and the black hole as it relates to the Raxxla symbol and a Thagroid site. See if you agree.

This Thagroid site (a representation of a known Thagroid Site) has similar representations if compared to the neutron star and black hole in 27 Cass.
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Furthermore, the Raxxla Symbol has some similarities to both the Thagroid site and the black hole and neutron star when viewed in the Galaxy Map.
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Raxxla Symbol noting some similarities with Galaxy Map system locator. I imposed the system locator over the black hole in 27 Cass.

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In conclusion, I think 27 Cass may hold some clues to the location of Raxxla. It is found close enough to the bubble. It has a strange set of bodies which should not exist together. It has an orbiting black hole, which also should not occur and there should be something in the center of the black hole's orbit which has more mass than the black hole itself. What would cause a black hole to orbit? What ever it is, has to have more gravitational mass than a black hole. That seems impossible.

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A few of things (without wanting to shoot anyone down...)

Firstly, neutron stars orbiting black holes - maybe...

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org www.sciencemag.org

Secondly, black holes are affected by gravity just like everything else, so they're perfectly capable of orbiting things. Neutron stars are upwards 1.4 stellar masses and stellar black holes at the bottom end are about 5 - stick those two together and they'll orbit a common barycenter, just like 27 Cass.

Thirdly, 27 Cass having a black hole and neutron star doesn't make it particularly special. I was just ligging around the Circinus Pulsar, which has exactly that composition.
www.edsm.net

EDSM - Elite Dangerous Star Map

The Galactic Positioning System of Elite: Dangerous at your service.
www.edsm.net www.edsm.net
Interestingly there, the NS is the large body (14 stellar masses) compared to the BH at 4.5.

Also, TrA X1 is a fun little system with 3 black holes.
www.edsm.net

EDSM - Elite Dangerous Star Map

The Galactic Positioning System of Elite: Dangerous at your service.
www.edsm.net www.edsm.net

Aside from that, I'm just gonna mention that the Thargoid site looks like a crop circle to me.
 

sam23694

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CMDR Maylor Rom said:
Something strange in 27 Cass, see if you agree?

I have been looking at the orrey of 27 Cass and found something unusual. The Black Hole is on a circular orbit around something in the center of it's orbit which is not visible.

First, black holes DO NOT ORBIT other bodies given their tremendous gravitational pull. Other bodies orbit black holes because the black hole has more gravity than do other bodies and this is how we discovered Sag-A in real life. We calculated the orbits of bodies around black holes which we CANNOT SEE directly, and given these calculations of other visible bodies orbiting black holes, we then conclude that the mass we cannot see IS A BLACK HOLE. This is scientific fact. This is how we discover black holes we cannot see directly. So, In Elite, in 27 Cass, we have a black hole "orbiting something" we cannot see or find. What is this black hole orbiting?

Black Hole at 27 Cass (orbiting something) (Black holes do not orbit, period.)
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The second problem here is that the Black Hole (Oribiting something) is also being orbited by a Neutron Star. In my web research, I have not found any references to a Neutron Star orbiting a black hole, not to say it is impossible, but given both have extreme gravitational attractions with the black hole having more gravitational force, the neutron star would eventually be pulled in. Besides this, black holes and neutron stars are both collapsed stars and black holes are created by very large dying stars of sufficient mass to create a black hole. If the dying star does not have sufficient mass, it will become a neutron star as opposed to a black hole. This gets stranger because we have both a black hole and a neutron star in the same system. So, this implies there were two dying stars, possibly a binary pair of stars, both which have collapsed, but far enough apart not to destroy one another in the collapse of each, one becoming a black hole and one becoming a neutron star, both in the "same" system. This, if it were discovered in real life astronomy, would be a galactic discovery in it's own right. So, this is a very "unique" system indeed.

Moving on, there seems to be some corrolation between the neutron star and the black hole as it relates to the Raxxla symbol and a Thagroid site. See if you agree.

This Thagroid site (a representation of a known Thagroid Site) has similar representations if compared to the neutron star and black hole in 27 Cass.
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Furthermore, the Raxxla Symbol has some similarities to both the Thagroid site and the black hole and neutron star when viewed in the Galaxy Map.
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Raxxla Symbol noting some similarities with Galaxy Map system locator. I imposed the system locator over the black hole in 27 Cass.

View attachment 138863

In conclusion, I think 27 Cass may hold some clues to the location of Raxxla. It is found close enough to the bubble. It has a strange set of bodies which should not exist together. It has an orbiting black hole, which also should not occur and there should be something in the center of the black hole's orbit which has more mass than the black hole itself. What would cause a black hole to orbit? What ever it is, has to have more gravitational mass than a black hole. That seems impossible.

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I'm not an astronomer, but the neutron star could have been captured by the black hole, instead of the two originating from binary stars. And, I'm not sure on the numbers, but I don't see any reason why a black hole, at a sufficient distance, couldn't orbit a star, it's just a game of competing gravity wells at the end of the day. More relevant to 27 cass and ED, the game seems to treat black holes as just another star class, so it's possible that 27 cass is just another stellar forge quirk.

If it isn't then it seems more likely that this system is just a stepping stone on the journey to something beyond. In a previous post of mine I had an image of my last jump to 27 cass, the nebula (now identified as the NGC 7822 Nebula), seemed to line up with it. I might head out there and take a look around.

Also, not to be pedantic or anything, but do you mean Guardian site? Or is there a Thargoid instance I don't know about?
 

Scytale

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DrewCarnegie said:
Well where do you think crop circles come from, hmmm?
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Come ooon... ! It's well known they are made by Alien !!
Need an evidence ?
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rOmiLaYu

rOmiLaYu
Filthymick420 said:
By that logic the whole search should be disregarded seeing as everything else has produced the same results.
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Hardly. I'm simply pointing out that the game dynamics, as a whole, either allow for something or they don't. There is no way in-game, currently, to "jump through" a stellar body. The game doesn't allow for it. If you can't "do it" in-game then "it" can not be a way to find Raxxla.
 

Hanerib

Hanerib
sam23694 said:
If there is a system that needs checking or
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Please accept this crystal fragment and seek out Ms. Fields.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inic_IwVlsk
 She goes by several names and is not what you think she is. I would suggest beginning your search from the core of all things. You are going to need an "iron ass" for this job, nothing short of Ziemann Energy Deflection Shields and Military Lasers will do. Biological life is the most efficient arrangement of artificial intelligence. They came from the Magellanic Clouds. This message will detonate in: 2 seconds.
 
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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Scytale said:
Anyway, obfuscated planets, just like stations which avoid detection, are not meant to be so easily detected. Imho.
I mean, I doubt Raxxla can be detected like any other celestial body. There must be something else to point us right to the hidden place.
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Except
We don’t know what Raxxla is, even DB has said so!
It might be a planet, or a black hole, or a derelict megaship, or a station, or an asteroid, or a particularly elusive npc sidewinder or .........
All we know is that it’s obfuscated,
And I’m not sure about that any more! 🤪

And I do think we have some indication to where and what Raxxla is, my last remaining hypothesis......
Tyko’s on his way to test it.
 
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