The Quest To Find Raxxla

rOmiLaYu

rOmiLaYu
Scytale said:
Only if you bring a "Greetings from..." picture.
I am joking, eh !
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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
sam23694 said:
It's not my intention to give offense or cause any drama, but when every idea is quoted in the next comment followed by "I remember back when we did that and found nothing, it's pointless" it might cause someone to abandon what could be a valuable lead. It seems counter productive, but perhaps I'm taking it too seriously. In any case I volunteer to follow up on any leads.
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There’s plenty of potential leads in this thread, but whichever you choose to test let us know with the results and the specific objects you try it against. Just because many people have tried various experiments with various black holes/neutron stars/asterisms/myths/classical poetry books ... with negative results doesn’t mean these same experiments won’t yield fruit with the right black hole/neutron star/asterism/myth/classical poetry...
So the people (me included) who try to provide our experience of previous attempts aren’t trying to discourage, unless you’re trying exactly the same things we’ve done fruitlessly before; we’ve tried many things, which is why this thread has so many pages, although the Formidine Rift ran up to four threads if I recall correctly. 🤓
 
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Scytale

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Jorki Rasalas said:
I’m reclining in front of the tv with a mug of cold drinking chocolate and a sulky cat who wants to go out and play with the mice she likes to bring home.
I’m always serious!
The long quest for Raxxla has beaten all sense of humour out of me! 🧐
Not really! 🤪
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So the cat ended eating your Yorkshire Terrier and now she only has mice left to play with ? I feared it would happen...
 

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Scytale said:
So the cat ended eating your Yorkshire Terrier and now she only has mice left to play with ? I feared it would happen...
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No
She has a love/hate relationship with my chocolate labrador co-pawlot!
He loves to make a fuss of her & she hates it, especially when he sniffs her rear end.
The finer points of animal behaviour puzzle me!

She knows she’s the boss of the house
He just thinks he is, at times, when he doesn’t want food/a walk/food/tummy rub/food/more food...
 

Rulare

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CMDR Maylor Rom said:
I read that article before posting. The black hole in the article is orbiting a Be-Star. The black hole in 27 Gamma Cass is NOT orbiting "anything".
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The black hole appears to be orbiting the barycenter of the black hole + neutron star.

The reason the black hole in the center of our galaxy doesn't do this (visibly, but it still is very very slightly tugged by passing stars) is because it weighs millions of times more than any of the stars near it. A neutron star and stellar-mass black hole can be close enough in mass to orbit each other (around the barycenter) and it'd look exactly like that. They continue being affected by gravity, even the gravity of non-black holes.
 

CMDR Josky

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RG_in_space said:
Just out of curiosity, since i trust both of you: what are your current ranks (Combat, Exploration, Trade, Empire, Federation)?



...or a sled. I'll wager 10 Kamitra cigars that it's a sled.



Bodies can orbit around "nothing" if they're in a pair, that's the principle of the barycenter. There's one body closer to the "center" that would be static without any external influence, but then you add a second body orbiting around it, and it pulls it ever so slightly, forcing it to describe an orbit of its own, seemingly around nothing. You can see it with binary rocky bodies in many systems, and here it may be something similar, only with way bigger numbers. Also, Neutron Star + Black Hole doesn't seem to be that rare, someone just posted another on /r/eliteexplorers today. Not to completely discard 27 Cass as a place of interest though, i'm still intrigued by it, and it fits a lot of clues.
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um i don't have Elite Combat
 

[Diplomacy] Carnegie

[Diplomacy] Carnegie
sam23694 said:
I'm in 27 cass again now, here's the orrey:

https://imgur.com/L2QUK1Q
Source: https://i.imgur.com/L2QUK1Q.jpg


Just like 27 cass A orbiting nothing, both B and C do. And by nothing I mean their common barycenter. To take it a step further B and C orbit a common barycenter, and both together share a barycenter with A.
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You can tell when stars are orbiting each other from the System Map too - they'll each have their own 'row' on the map. So in 27 Cass there'll be 3 rows, one each for A, B and C - incidentally, that's why they're labelled that way. If everything was orbiting the primary they'd be A, A1 and A2 - you'll most often see this with 'Big Blue' stars (O and B-type) which frequently have smaller stars orbiting them. Sometimes those orbiting stars will be as large as K-types, but usually they'll be non-scoopables.

You can even tell from the Gal Map when a system contains multiple stars with a shared barycenter since it'll list all the stars which have their own row - though it won't indicate how they're arranged. Hence Tra X1 shows 'Black Hole, Black Hole, Black Hole', without indicating they barycenter layout.
 

Hanerib

Hanerib
I used to search for black holes that would orbit a primary star, as in theory those should be able to have rings. Not sure if there are any, but it's interesting.
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
CMDR Maylor Rom said:
Something strange in 27 Cass, see if you agree?

I have been looking at the orrey of 27 Cass and found something unusual. The Black Hole is on a circular orbit around something in the center of it's orbit which is not visible.

First, black holes DO NOT ORBIT other bodies given their tremendous gravitational pull. Other bodies orbit black holes because the black hole has more gravity than do other bodies and this is how we discovered Sag-A in real life. We calculated the orbits of bodies around black holes which we CANNOT SEE directly, and given these calculations of other visible bodies orbiting black holes, we then conclude that the mass we cannot see IS A BLACK HOLE. This is scientific fact. This is how we discover black holes we cannot see directly. So, In Elite, in 27 Cass, we have a black hole "orbiting something" we cannot see or find. What is this black hole orbiting?

Black Hole at 27 Cass (orbiting something) (Black holes do not orbit, period.)
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The second problem here is that the Black Hole (Oribiting something) is also being orbited by a Neutron Star. In my web research, I have not found any references to a Neutron Star orbiting a black hole, not to say it is impossible, but given both have extreme gravitational attractions with the black hole having more gravitational force, the neutron star would eventually be pulled in. Besides this, black holes and neutron stars are both collapsed stars and black holes are created by very large dying stars of sufficient mass to create a black hole. If the dying star does not have sufficient mass, it will become a neutron star as opposed to a black hole. This gets stranger because we have both a black hole and a neutron star in the same system. So, this implies there were two dying stars, possibly a binary pair of stars, both which have collapsed, but far enough apart not to destroy one another in the collapse of each, one becoming a black hole and one becoming a neutron star, both in the "same" system. This, if it were discovered in real life astronomy, would be a galactic discovery in it's own right. So, this is a very "unique" system indeed.

Moving on, there seems to be some corrolation between the neutron star and the black hole as it relates to the Raxxla symbol and a Thagroid site. See if you agree.

This Thagroid site (a representation of a known Thagroid Site) has similar representations if compared to the neutron star and black hole in 27 Cass.
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Furthermore, the Raxxla Symbol has some similarities to both the Thagroid site and the black hole and neutron star when viewed in the Galaxy Map.
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Raxxla Symbol noting some similarities with Galaxy Map system locator. I imposed the system locator over the black hole in 27 Cass.

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In conclusion, I think 27 Cass may hold some clues to the location of Raxxla. It is found close enough to the bubble. It has a strange set of bodies which should not exist together. It has an orbiting black hole, which also should not occur and there should be something in the center of the black hole's orbit which has more mass than the black hole itself. What would cause a black hole to orbit? What ever it is, has to have more gravitational mass than a black hole. That seems impossible.

o7...
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Sorry, but a lot of the Black Hole stuff you’re saying in the last few posts is so far off the mark.

Will do a comprehensive post covering it all when I’ve got a bit of time, but seriously, I shouldn’t have to.
 
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