It's on you to ensure that what you post is correct. I have no reason to think you're incapable of doing that. It therefore appears that you just didn't bother.
You were not just saying things, at points you were shouting them.
I apologise.
Here's the situation.
That some of those things were wrong is clear from things that have been in the news over the last few years. Now you might have missed that stuff. That's fair. However, some fact checking would have
What I said was as a result of exasperation at seeing that happen, and knowing that other people were going to have to correct things for the benefit of others, when some fact checking could have avoided the incorrect stuff being posted in the first place.
Having said that, my reply was ill toned and misjudged. I actually thought I had thought better of posting it, and was rather dismayed to wake up in the morning to find that I had apparently nevertheless had.
It was not my intent to belittle you. Part of the exasperation was that correcting stuff in a belittling way is easy, but correcting stuff without doing it in a belittling way can be a lot of hard work.
Hmm, not sure we can quite say that. According to Rafe Zetter, Jason had found evidence for the real existence of Raxxla. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’d found anything to provide the location. Rafe also says that Jason had come back to get a proper team together, but doesn’t specify the nature of that team. It could be an assault team, a science team, an archaeological team, etc, etc. As is the norm we just don’t know.
Quote from TDW below:
I hadn't heard much from him or about him for some time until just before he died, when he told me he'd found evidence for the real existence of Raxxla. He came
back from Deep Space to get a proper team together . . . ' Rafe smiled bitterly. 'But just before he was due to go back, he decided to take a safe-worlds holiday jaunt with his son . . . and an assassin was waiting for him.'
That’s from the end of the Novella. Pretty sure there isn’t anything that goes into more specifics anywhere else in there. Haven’t checked exhaustively though, so could be wrong!
I don't mean to be awkward, but I don't quite understand what part of what @Scytale said, we cant quite say? Could you clarify?
Non-scoopables aren't explored as thoroughly as other systems - I feel thats a fairly safe assumption. They are normally populated with a few boring ice worlds.
Long trek through non-scoopables would be good obfuscation - I don't see how you could disagree with that?
Jason returned to prepare for an expedition to Raxxla. That is the same thing, in different words, as "to get a proper team together" isnt it?
The Nebulae are ideal spots for hiding whatever you want statement may have diverted most of the player base from darkness .
Btw, did anyone perform a serious survey of SD 8th moons orbits ? Or shall I consider to rearm my trusty AspX with Mark I Eyeball Sensors ?
Pretty sure Lord Braben mentioned nebulae might be good places to find things but that was ages ago, maybe even in the dev diaries, and long before the goids were found in the Pleiades, bark mounds pumpkins in the California nebula, or Guardian sites. It may have been pre-Horizons it was that long ago.
Mmmmhh.. That proper team thing may be important, yes. I admitt. I just didn't re-read the "proper" text. Thx @Thatchinho for clarifying it.
I mean, it's not exactly like saying " he was setting up a long range ship" like in Romero's affair.
Now, be it one way or the other, did FD take account of that particular sentence in RH's novel and work it in game ? Imho, we shouldn't give it too much of importance.
Now.. a proper team of.. whatever is a seducing possible clue. I just like it ! I hope FD liked it too. A player's Wing/Squadron/Carrier assaulting/digging out the Portal on Raxxla..Wow !
Anyway, as nobody here knows what he is doing, the (by any mean new nor mine) theory of the Dark Worlds is as valid as any other. Imho.
Yes, of course. Strictly speaking. But in ED, people are used, I think, to use that term when describing space "out of The Bubble". It's at least the interpretation I did since I use the Forum. But you are right, the only point is what's RH and FD interpretation is.
I may have been wrong all te time.
I don't mean to be awkward, but I don't quite understand what part of what @Scytale said, we cant quite say? Could you clarify?
Non-scoopables aren't explored as thoroughly as other systems - I feel thats a fairly safe assumption. They are normally populated with a few boring ice worlds.
Long trek through non-scoopables would be good obfuscation - I don't see how you could disagree with that?
Jason returned to prepare for an expedition to Raxxla. That is the same thing, in different words, as "to get a proper team together" isnt it?
It was all about the Jason stuff. The point was that Jason returning to prepare an expedition isn’t strictly what the TDW novella says he was doing.
It says he had found evidence for the real existence of Raxxla. That’s not the same as finding the location. It also says he had returned to put a proper team together. That’s not the same as an expedition.
Point being that while what @Scytale said is a valid interpretation of what’s said in TDW, there are also many other valid interpretations.
What I don’t think we can say is that because an interpretation is valid, that it is the interpretation.
That all make sense of what I meant?
(There was a load of what I had thought to be deleted stuff which posted at the start of the post to Scytale by accident and I didn’t realise was there until a little after. I’ve removed all that, so hopefully the previous reply is clearer now.)
That's a perfect example of what I like most in this thread. There is always somebody to relocate/reframe any shoddy theory/job/ interpretation !
That's the best way to go on, imho.
I don't mean to be awkward, but I don't quite understand what part of what @Scytale said, we cant quite say? Could you clarify?
Non-scoopables aren't explored as thoroughly as other systems - I feel thats a fairly safe assumption. They are normally populated with a few boring ice worlds.
Long trek through non-scoopables would be good obfuscation - I don't see how you could disagree with that?
Jason returned to prepare for an expedition to Raxxla. That is the same thing, in different words, as "to get a proper team together" isnt it?
Some of us have a 'touch it once' OCD that dictates the entire system MUST be scanned before leaving, which is why it took me so long to get down to the Witch Head despite having mapped most of the journey. It's a bit quicker if all objects show 'mapped by' someone but if any aren't, I'll still do the entire system.
This is why I use the high security filter inside the bubble. Saves so much time...
Mmmmhh.. That proper team thing may be important, yes. I admitt. I just didn't re-read the "proper" text. Thx @Thatchinho for clarifying it.
I mean, it's not exactly like saying " he was setting up a long range ship" like in Romero's affair.
Now, be it one way or the other, did FD take account of that particular sentence in RH's novel and work it in game ? Imho, we shouldn't give it too much of importance.
Now.. a proper team of.. whatever is a seducing possible clue. I just like it ! I hope FD liked it too. A player's Wing/Squadron/Carrier assaulting/digging out the Portal on Raxxla..Wow !
Anyway, as nobody here knows what he is doing, the (by any mean new nor mine) theory of the Dark Worlds is as valid as any other. Imho.
Yes, of course. Strictly speaking. But in ED, people are used, I think, to use that term when describing space "out of The Bubble". It's at least the interpretation I did since I use the Forum. I may have been wrong all te time.
It was all about the Jason stuff. The point was that Jason returning to prepare an expedition isn’t strictly what the TDW novella says he was doing.
It says he had found evidence for the real existence of Raxxla. That’s not the same as finding the location. It also says he had returned to put a proper team together. That’s not the same as an expedition.
Point being that while what @Scytale said is a valid interpretation of what’s said in TDW, there are also manny other valid interpretations.
What I don’t think we can say is that because an interpretation is valid, that it is the interpretation.
That all make sense of what I meant?
(There was a load of what I had thought to be deleted stuff which posted at the start of the post to Scytale by accident and I didn’t realise was there until a little after. I’ve removed all that, so hopefully the previous reply is clearer now.)
I wonder what evidence Jason could have found, if it wasn't Raxxla itself?
A map?
Intercepted a transmission from somebody? This seems quite plausible, if they worked out who had intercepted a transmission and sent an assassin to silence them?
A picture?
A tip off, from "a friend" or "mysterious stranger"? Would this warrant going to put a team together though?
Something else?
This is an important question. Maybe the evidence still exists.
I have fallen back to my belief that Frontier Development and The 'real' Dark wheel would not leave the station discoverable by accident. The statement that 'one does not contact the Dark Wheel ' for me holds true. These guys have a finger in a lot of pies and a lot to lose if they were left open to discovery 'willy nilly' by some muppet flying 'Crazy Craft' high on Onionhead.
So, for now, I am back working. For the corporations, I feel are integral and part of the bigger picture. Started at Sol and now at Soch working for the wonderful chaps in Aegis.
I am also interested to find out that to rep with these corporations one cannot just waltz in with a shedload of discovery data as some branches such as Aegis Core got ousted from their HQ's. Some of this made news. I am sure FD doesn't want the 'Dark Wheel Permit' earned so easily.
Also, I am loving the History and backstory in all this. It is really fleshing out the elite Universe better than before and I am more than certain there is a lot of hidden stuff if you know what to read and where to stuff your nose.
I think only RH could (can't no longer) answer. I always suspected that the What has been lost will soon be recovered E/F mission was related to a map, possibly stolen by/given to Jason Ryder.
Not by accident. But FD gives a huge clue by telling us that " 8th moon thing". Does their many times proven lack of sensibility allow them to get hundreds of players surveying 8th moons for.. nothing ? Hard to believe, but possible, yes.
That's why I think that station is very hard to find. But findable. Which doesn't mean you'll be therefore automatically invited to have a drink with the station master and promoted to be "one of ours". As I already said, instantaneous vaporization must be the gracious reward... Then, a new chapter in the story line could unfold with the station being replaced elsewhere. For example.
Incidentally, being invited by TDW shouldn't automatically grant the player with access to that station. That would mean to grant acces to the entire community. At its vicinity, at least.
I would assume it would not be access to the station but the system. This goes against the Codex entry but that entry is just mere speculation in itself being the word of a journalist. If the station is indeed 'dark' then it HAS to cloak itself due to regular traffic jumping to and from the system. I would not place it in a heavily populated system either. The station might be able to mask its signature but the ships won't.
And jumpable stations. Well, that's been proven to exist and I would not put that technology past this group.
I would assume it would not be access to the station but the system. This goes against the Codex entry but that entry is just mere speculation in itself being the word of a journalist. If the station is indeed 'dark' then it HAS to cloak itself due to regular traffic jumping to and from the system. I would not place it in a heavily populated system either. The station might be able to mask its signature but the ships won't.
And jumpable stations. Well, that's been proven to exist and I would not put that technology past this group.
You could permit lock a planet and its orbiting station, without a permit to enter the system. Look at Titon (or Triton) I always get those 2 mixed up.
That permit lock mechanics is quite unclear in the hypothetic case of TDW...
Permits supposedly are granted/managed by the PF. What would that mean in the case of the station/moon being permit locked ? PF = TDW ?
This would imply a huge revelation and rearrangement of the current lore. But why not ?
I wonder what evidence Jason could have found, if it wasn't Raxxla itself?
A map?
Intercepted a transmission from somebody? This seems quite plausible, if they worked out who had intercepted a transmission and sent an assassin to silence them?
A picture?
A tip off, from "a friend" or "mysterious stranger"? Would this warrant going to put a team together though?
Something else?
This is an important question. Maybe the evidence still exists.
It also links back to something I think (but am not 100% sure) I’ve mentioned before - there’s a bit of a general assumption that goes round that the 2296 Raxxla reference puts an upper limit on the date of the discovery of Raxxla, but that’s not necessarily the case.
Someone might have merely discovered something which suggested to them the existence of a world with an alien artefact.
In fact it might not even have been something tangible, they might have had a vision a la Halsey and Gan Romero.
Both of those ‘origins’ would be completely consistent with, and actually fully explanatory of, the tone with which Art Tonqvist talks about Raxxla.
Anyway, back to the point in hand, Jason had returned from deep space, so we can probably rule a few things out on that basis. As a general starting point, I think we can identify a few high level categories for what form the evidence must have been. It has to have been:
A. Something human in origin
B. Something alien in origin
C. Something stellar/astronomical which isn’t a natural occurrence and is well beyond known human and alien technological capabilities. (When I say stellar/astronomical, it don’t mean that in completely strict sense, it could be planetary or planet based too.)
There could also be combinations of the above.
Anything else at high level that anyone can think of that isn’t covered by those 3 categories?
