The club aren't about saving their own hide. They're elitists with god complexes that believe they can save humanity and must do what they do because the petty concerns of the masses are too caught up in their own tiny lives to be able to manage and handle the scope of issues that are galaxy wide that they (the club) are aware of. I suspect that if such a plan to save humanity is actually put into place and most of humanity is lost...they will no longer be hidden and will surface as powerful saviors and leaders and cement their control and re-shape the power structure of all of humanity (fed / empire / etc gone)...

They could certainly save themselves easily. But that would leave them without any power. And I'm sure after so many years of convincing themselves how right they are to do what they do, they truly believe they are acting on humanity's behalf for the best. So they may even have an almost religious conviction to save humanity ...even from itself.

if it was going to be written correctly...the club wouldn't be concerned with simple ideas like self preservation and personal greed or basically anything related to oneself. They'd be beyond those things ....wholly committed to the mission statement. Closer to the mindset of a cultist who's simultaneously leading the cult and brainwashed by it's religion.

i think it's interesting that the club dealt with one of their own defecting not with true death, but with mind wiping, allowing her to live (repeatedly (she had been repeatedly mind wiped everytime she started back on the path of recovering what she initially defected for)). Why was she so special? What kind of respect must she have commanded to not be killed by an organization who appears to have had no problem with sending hundreds if not thousands to their death in setting up the escape routes? Wasn't the idea that salome was a clone of her?

It seems unlikely that we've seen the culmination of their preparations, and it sees unlikely that they were wrong to make them. At some point it seems pretty clear that the bubble is going to collapse and we'll be forced to scatter....and mount a protracted resistance as underdogs. ...to eventually be able to drive back the enemy enough to start rebuilding. The question is how long until fdev is ready to put that into motion. However, I dont think raxxla plays into any of this. Raxxla is meant to be an ever present treat dangled in front of players indefinitely. It's greatest purpose is realized while it's not found. So unless it moves ....it seems unlikely anything in the game will ever hint at where to find it or will it be utilized in game. Instead, i think the dark wheel will revolve around the club, alien threats, and contingency plans. Basically the invisible hand that will shape the new power structure once all of the old seats of power fall.
 
Anybody progressed the Alpha Centauri theory? I found a threat 0 convoy which split up and jumped to three different systems. Went to all three but found nothing.
Not sure I can bear the trip back out to Proxima again!
 
So in regards to far supercruise trips. This is an idea I had a while back that I'd wished to have worked on but didn't.
In the Dark Wheel novella Jason Ryder's ship was the Nemesis. IRL, there's a hypothetical second sun, a small brown dwarf, in Sol. It should be roughly 5hrs away in Elite Speed, maybe further. This second sun is named Nemesis because it's believed to cause catastrophe and extinctions when it nears Earth in it's orbital path.
Now, irl, this is unlikely, but given the name, it makes me wonder. We have the Nemesis ELW being orbited by the HMC Pandora in Momus Reach
Now, IRL in 2019 there's also another hypothesized planet, a 9th planet, just like Nemesis. The Elite 9th planet discovered in Elite's Sol is Persephone and she's been a frequent character.
The 9th planet being there could indicate that Nemesis is too. Maybe the FSS cant see the distance, or it's undetectable. I really wish I'd had tried this personally.
The longest supercruise to a body in game is Dabih Major in the Capricorn constellation at a roughly 3hr supercruise and the FSS works for it, but no stations, and just ice moons.
Nemesis seems suspect to me.
 
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Not to try to high jack the thread or say im trolling etc, but from the very start of the game, the quest for raxxla is a folk tail, a wild goose chase per say, if you really look from where it originated from. It is not real nor will ever be found because it just doesn't exist at all. The quest to find raxxla was a treasure hunt from the start to get you to just waste your time and create some type of reason to look. I am not trying to high jack your thread nor troll before any of the mods get ban happy. It is just my 2 cents as i have been playing the game for over 3 years. All this time wasted for this so called quest is just a waste of time and never existed from the get go.
 
My question for you is "what is Raxxla?"
Of course we all know your answer. You don't know. So being that you don't know What It Is, how can you confidently state that it's not there and can't be found?
 
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For people interested in the Holdstock angle... Here are some snippets (poorly photographed from my cell phone) from the book "Tour of the Universe" co-written by Edwards and Holdstock. Specifically focusing on the Alien Ruins on Pluto and the "Dead World Scroll" - I know we've talked about the Tour before ... but I didn't remember anyone sharing or talking about the stuff from Pluto so I thought Id put them here ...





I will just suggest you read the Dark Wheel Toast and then read the translation of the Dead World Scroll...

Make what you will of it :alien:
 
Ok ok that is just a book that has raxxla some what mention but no where in that entire book does it have anything to do.with elite and the devs only have that in there for simple things to just play along with certain folk tail from the backer days. Yes there is a system in elite called raxxla and yes it has a faction called the dark wheel. But that's it. That's as far as the devs got with it really. You cant land on Pluto and that's it. And its folk tail from a book that is not meant to be in the actual game.
 
No, at 67 life’s too short to waste on livestreams! 😚
Can you précis?
Drew Wagar takes CMDR Plater through a TDW 'initiation'. If interested you'd really need to watch.
You might pick up on clues and hints that I and others haven't, perhaps on a boring flight to Hutton?

[Edit: That link has already been cut down to the two hours with Drew out of the full 24 hour stream.]

[Edit, edit: OMG, space ninja's everywhere in this thread! :p]
 
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For people interested in the Holdstock angle... Here are some snippets (poorly photographed from my cell phone) from the book "Tour of the Universe" co-written by Edwards and Holdstock. Specifically focusing on the Alien Ruins on Pluto and the "Dead World Scroll" - I know we've talked about the Tour before ... but I didn't remember anyone sharing or talking about the stuff from Pluto so I thought Id put them here ...





I will just suggest you read the Dark Wheel Toast and then read the translation of the Dead World Scroll...

Make what you will of it :alien:
Thanks for the repost but I went to Pluto fairly recently and didn't find anything like the description. :(
 
Drew Wagar takes CMDR Plater through a TDW 'initiation'. If interested you'd really need to watch.
You might pick up on clues and hints that I and others haven't, perhaps on a boring flight to Hutton?

[Edit: That link has already been cut down to the two hours with Drew out of the full 24 hour stream.

[Edit, edit: OMG, space ninja's everywhere in this thread! :p]
The ninja penguin hasn’t popped up here for a while, but then you never can tell where ninjas are! 😁
Yes, I did watch it while mooching about ACent again yesterday afternoon. Just an amusing trip through DW’s lore set against a Dark Wheel test for the charity livestream. I suspect it is probably nothing like whatever FD might have set up as an in-game DW test. But it does sort of confirm my belief that Salomé, Alessia, Rebecca et al were all part of DW’s Dark Wheel. The question might be how much does Drew know of FD’s in-game DW? Drew’s DW members are all clones, so should we be taking a close look at Teorge?

I really don’t want to do that 0.21ly trip again!! Life is too short!
 
Not to try to high jack the thread or say im trolling etc, but from the very start of the game, the quest for raxxla is a folk tail, a wild goose chase per say, if you really look from where it originated from. It is not real nor will ever be found because it just doesn't exist at all. The quest to find raxxla was a treasure hunt from the start to get you to just waste your time and create some type of reason to look. I am not trying to high jack your thread nor troll before any of the mods get ban happy. It is just my 2 cents as i have been playing the game for over 3 years. All this time wasted for this so called quest is just a waste of time and never existed from the get go.
We do have it from FD via Drew that Raxxla exists in-game. I suggest you read the OP
 
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Yeah, I followed that NPC in Nisa for 0.5Mls a year ago - Hutton's a breeze..

Simulacrae managed to quote from one of the few Holdstock books I havent got yet..

I can see there are some connections - but what would you do with it?
 
Seriously off topic. Another thing I'd wished I'd done. Eridanus constellation.
Start in its first star, Achenar, the home of the Empire, crossing Cetus, and end at Rigel. If there was ever a constellation worth exploring, this one is big.
Eridanus is one of the rivers to Hades in myth. Hades appears to be important in the riddles. Orion is near and a part of Barnard's Loop. In Hitchhiker's Guide, the mystical and illusive planet Magrathea is in Horsehead nebula, also in Barnard's Loop. Epsilon Eridani, home of WorldCraft Theme Park is one of the stars in Eridanus. I've hypothesized for a while now that this constellation may lead to something special, but now will never know. Bummer.
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0.21ly is nothing Jorki. Start before dinner and you are almost there when you get back. :)
I stop travel for dinner, put on the tv, put my feet up and enjoy a brandy! Have seen a lot of youtube vids on these trips though! However it doesn’t make up for the numb posterior!

So are you going to test out Guru’s idea of Nemesis 5 hour’s SC out from Sol?
I would contemplate it if we had an idea of which direction! 5 hours out is potentially 3.145927*25 hours trip to check out the ecliptic ! 🤯
And of course it’s actually a sphere not a circle!!! No guarantee Nemesis is on the ecliptic, so much more travel!!
Besides, you’d be travelling so fast I suspect you’d miss any uss notification! 😁
 
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Seriously off topic. Another thing I'd wished I'd done. Eridanus constellation.
Start in its first star, Achenar, the home of the Empire, crossing Cetus, and end at Rigel. If there was ever a constellation worth exploring, this one is big.
Eridanus is one of the rivers to Hades in myth. Hades appears to be important in the riddles. Orion is near and a part of Barnard's Loop. In Hitchhiker's Guide, the mystical and illusive planet Magrathea is in Horsehead nebula, also in Barnard's Loop. Epsilon Eridani, home of WorldCraft Theme Park is one of the stars in Eridanus. I've hypothesized for a while now that this constellation may lead to something special, but now will never know. Bummer.
There’s still plenty of time for you to check it out! I think the Thargoids have postponed their invasion until late next year when they’ve got their legs and can trounce humanity on the surface.
 
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I stop travel for dinner, put on the tv, put my feet up and enjoy a brandy! Have seen a lot of youtube vids on these trips though! However it doesn’t make up for the numb posterior!

So are you going to test out Guru’s idea of Nemesis 5 hour’s SC out from Sol?
I would contemplate it if we had an idea of which direction! 5 hours out is potentially 3.145927*25 hours trip to check out the ecliptic ! 🤯
And of course it’s actually a sphere not a circle!!! No guarantee Nemesis is on the ecliptic, so much more travel!!
5hr was just a major guesstimate, and yeah, not knowing which direction.... All I could think is that maybe someone out there knows some maths to help with it, the other thought is to go 5ish hrs out and just start orbiting our sun keeping the distance and endlessly looping around at the distance til the pilot withers away and dies of boredom or exhaustion.
 
I stop travel for dinner, put on the tv, put my feet up and enjoy a brandy! Have seen a lot of youtube vids on these trips though! However it doesn’t make up for the numb posterior!

So are you going to test out Guru’s idea of Nemesis 5 hour’s SC out from Sol?
I would contemplate it if we had an idea of which direction! 5 hours out is potentially 3.145927*25 hours trip to check out the ecliptic ! 🤯
And of course it’s actually a sphere not a circle!!! No guarantee Nemesis is on the ecliptic, so much more travel!!
I've gone much longer than 5 hours in the past, but I need something to aim for. Going in a straight line is easy. Doing an orbit is hard work, keeping the distance constant.

I'll stick to Alpha Centauri for now.
 
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