The question is ... FDevs did/kept it unlockable ?
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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The question is ... FDevs did/kept it unlockable ?
Could be. Could be in one of those pulsar system clusters floating in the MW halo... (the very outer rim..)
Could also be a way to reach them through 'exotic' ways ... Oolite-like.
A place that isn't a place
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Yeah, I think they did/do...and I think Braben was being cheeky with his "it's out there and we know where it is" comment. I've said this before but I'll say it again....something like Raxxla is virtually no different than any other HMCW, or WW, or ELW, or any other chunk of rock out there..currently. Post 2.4 with new gameplay mechanics or atmospheric landings or whatever, then you can interact with it in a meaningful way....maybe even cross over to Elite: Andromeda. Kind of like Mass Effect did.
Either way...if it's this big bad thing ad they want it to "wow" people, I think it - like most other things in the game - is gated in some way.
Waggar said he received the 'Alien background' writing FD gives to every Elite saga writer and Raxxla was part of it. Waggar wrote Oolite (I know, I know not canon, but ..). Waggar said he doesn't know where Raxxla is. I bet he knows what Raxxla is. Definitely not a planet (not a place), but its access should be on a body (a certain celestial body)
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Really can't remember I'm afraid - it would have been over 3 years ago..
Enter 'Hugin' in the GalMap: nada
Enter 'Munin' in the GalMap: ...
Even more interesting,
Enter 'Bifrost' in the GalMap
('Asbru' is not so good, nor is 'Asgaard' )
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Could be. Could be in one of those pulsar system clusters floating in the MW halo... (the very outer rim..)
Could also be a way to reach them through 'exotic' ways ... Oolite-like.
Indeed, they said it's out there, they also said that if a player were to find it that it wouldn't be the amazing experience it should be and that noone will find it until the engine is at a state where it can fully support whatever raxxla is
Enter 'Hugin' in the GalMap: nada
Enter 'Munin' in the GalMap: ...
Even more interesting,
Enter 'Bifrost' in the GalMap
('Asbru' is not so good, nor is 'Asgaard' )
There's actually a number of Norse mythology system names, I've counted 6 of the 9 realms so far, there may be more. Obviously Jotunheim was recently in a CG, there's also alfheim, niflheimri, muspelheim, midgard, heimr, hel, thor, thors eye, sif.
I was researching something else and this wasn't going where I expected so I stopped there, but I would guess there's a lot more.
Yes I saw that. These I quoted are somewhat related whith our concerns. The others .. I am not sure.
Witch-Space
"Witch-Space is haunted. Maybe that's why they call it 'witch'. Time turns all around, and atoms turn inside out, and gravity waves billow up, and things move there, lifeforms, or shadows, or atoms, or galaxies, who knows? No-one has ever stopped and gone outside to find out. Only robot remotes exist there, switching stations, monitors, rescue Droids and the like. Whatever lives in Witch-Space, in the Faraway tunnels, will remain a mystery always."
So we know something is already in witch space, question is how do they get there and how do we get in to it. May be interdiction with Alien ships when they jump. I remember a few years ago getting interdicted by npc outside the bubble, while in witch space and crashing out into normal space, lots of commanders had this done to them at the time, we all thought it was abug at the time, but was it, or was it part of a future planned script. Soon as we mentioned it FD nailed it.
Has anyone broken down the images in witch space frame by frame as it passes the cockpit for clues, to see if any hidden clues lurk there?
"Witch-Space is haunted. Maybe that's why they call it 'witch'. Time turns all around, and atoms turn inside out, and gravity waves billow up, and things move there, lifeforms, or shadows, or atoms, or galaxies, who knows? No-one has ever stopped and gone outside to find out. Only robot remotes exist there, switching stations, monitors, rescue Droids and the like. Whatever lives in Witch-Space, in the Faraway tunnels, will remain a mystery always."
So we know something is already in witch space, question is how do they get there and how do we get in to it. May be interdiction with Alien ships when they jump. I remember a few years ago getting interdicted by npc outside the bubble, while in witch space and crashing out into normal space, lots of commanders had this done to them at the time, we all thought it was abug at the time, but was it, or was it part of a future planned script. Soon as we mentioned it FD nailed it.
Has anyone broken down the images in witch space frame by frame as it passes the cockpit for clues, to see if any hidden clues lurk there?
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Interesting. Reference please?
I've been re-reading from page 1 to see what investigation overlaps I've done, and consolidate my thoughts to do a write up, as i'm going to ease off Elite to catch up with other games.
One thing which I do see circling around every few dozen pages is "Raxxla in Shinrarta", while that's a possibility what about this:
- Elite Federation of Pilots in Jason's time we already powerful
- Raxxla is elsewhere, possibly far away and inconvenient
- shadowy elites that control Raxxla settle somewhere in Shinrarta Dezhra (may not be Founders World), as who wants to base yourself somewhere "on the rim"
- Jason gets his confirmation of Raxxla by raiding / infiltrating said shadowy elite's base
- has trip with Alex, dies
But that allows for Raxxla to be elsewhere, but SD to still be the start of the hunt. So your journey is to become Elite, then get the clues in SD to Rax.
This fits how FDev have implemented some other quests too, have the trail start from one place with clues leading you on, but fill in the details when players have actually started.
One thing which I do see circling around every few dozen pages is "Raxxla in Shinrarta", while that's a possibility what about this:
- Elite Federation of Pilots in Jason's time we already powerful
- Raxxla is elsewhere, possibly far away and inconvenient
- shadowy elites that control Raxxla settle somewhere in Shinrarta Dezhra (may not be Founders World), as who wants to base yourself somewhere "on the rim"
- Jason gets his confirmation of Raxxla by raiding / infiltrating said shadowy elite's base
- has trip with Alex, dies
But that allows for Raxxla to be elsewhere, but SD to still be the start of the hunt. So your journey is to become Elite, then get the clues in SD to Rax.
This fits how FDev have implemented some other quests too, have the trail start from one place with clues leading you on, but fill in the details when players have actually started.
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Is there anymore information on Elite Federation anywhere related to ingame activity or locations? Other than the one lore reference and what's in Shinrarta ? As I posted before the lore and Shinrarta both seem to point to obfuscation, an attempt at muddy the waters of their role and place. I don't believe the Founders World in Shinrarta is the Founders World. And my instincts have me believing they relate to the Club or similar.
Another reference for A place that is not a place is the notion of home.
With reference to witch space, that could be a play on words reference to a place that is not a place also. The reference to Raxxla makes mention of a ghost world. It may be a stretch but witch space is spoken of as haunted.
Yes there's a bunch of stuff to do with an offshoot of the Dark wheel in the novel And Here The Wheel. It's mostly about Soontil but there is mention of Raxxla.
Well, some non-canon lore shows Raxxla as sort of actually being witchspace. Non canon but let's remeber MB said the story following the Raxxla writings will be in game.
There is an interesting section in Premonition about this
"Just before we’d paid a visit to this weird junkyard in Tionisla …’
‘Te graveyard?’ Luko queried, ‘Ah … yes.’
‘You know about the graveyard?’ Hassan asked.
Luko pursed his lips for a moment as if considering what to say. ‘I have
heard much of it. A strange place, no? Tey say it is connected with old stories.
Tey say it was once the headquarters of the Dark Wheel …’
Hassan frowned. ‘Te Dark Wheel? Aren’t they a faction in Shinrarta
Dezhra?’
Luko chuckled.
‘Somehow I think they are not related,’ Luko said. ‘Hmmm … Life, she saw,
hope.’
‘I’m sorry?’ Hassan said, with a frown.
‘Tat’s what Shinrarta Dezhra means,’ Luko explained. ‘Life, she saw, hope.
Languages of old Earth I was told. Zhizn, life. Ra’at, she saw. Nadezhda, Hope.
Zhizn Ra’at Nadezhda.’
Hassan tried to pronounce it, causing Luko to wince.
‘Have you ever been there?’ Luko asked.
‘Me?’ Hassan replied. ‘No, you need to be Elite, either as a trader, combateer
or explorer before they let you in … Wait a minute. You’ve been there? How?’
Luko shrugged and evaded the question. ‘Tere are ways … Shinrarta is the
world of the Founders, they who sit above the Pilots’ Federation. Is said they
have much power, but they are not the Dark Wheel, I think.’
‘You seem to know a lot about all this …’
‘I know my history, signor,’ Luko said, tapping the side of his nose with a
fnger. ‘Tis Dark Wheel, they appear and they disappear. Whenever a crisisoccurs, there they are. For hundreds of years they have been turning the
pages of the story. "
Quote Premonition by Drew Wagar
‘Te graveyard?’ Luko queried, ‘Ah … yes.’
‘You know about the graveyard?’ Hassan asked.
Luko pursed his lips for a moment as if considering what to say. ‘I have
heard much of it. A strange place, no? Tey say it is connected with old stories.
Tey say it was once the headquarters of the Dark Wheel …’
Hassan frowned. ‘Te Dark Wheel? Aren’t they a faction in Shinrarta
Dezhra?’
Luko chuckled.
‘Somehow I think they are not related,’ Luko said. ‘Hmmm … Life, she saw,
hope.’
‘I’m sorry?’ Hassan said, with a frown.
‘Tat’s what Shinrarta Dezhra means,’ Luko explained. ‘Life, she saw, hope.
Languages of old Earth I was told. Zhizn, life. Ra’at, she saw. Nadezhda, Hope.
Zhizn Ra’at Nadezhda.’
Hassan tried to pronounce it, causing Luko to wince.
‘Have you ever been there?’ Luko asked.
‘Me?’ Hassan replied. ‘No, you need to be Elite, either as a trader, combateer
or explorer before they let you in … Wait a minute. You’ve been there? How?’
Luko shrugged and evaded the question. ‘Tere are ways … Shinrarta is the
world of the Founders, they who sit above the Pilots’ Federation. Is said they
have much power, but they are not the Dark Wheel, I think.’
‘You seem to know a lot about all this …’
‘I know my history, signor,’ Luko said, tapping the side of his nose with a
fnger. ‘Tis Dark Wheel, they appear and they disappear. Whenever a crisisoccurs, there they are. For hundreds of years they have been turning the
pages of the story. "
Quote Premonition by Drew Wagar
That is valid lore, but I don't know how much to trust Luko. He isn't the most transparent guy in the galaxy.
Edit: Every h after T seem to have gone missing from the text. Luko doesn't speak that weird.
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There is an interesting section in Premonition about this
"Just before we’d paid a visit to this weird junkyard in Tionisla …’
‘Te graveyard?’ Luko queried, ‘Ah … yes.’
‘You know about the graveyard?’ Hassan asked.
Luko pursed his lips for a moment as if considering what to say. ‘I have
heard much of it. A strange place, no? Tey say it is connected with old stories.
Tey say it was once the headquarters of the Dark Wheel …’
Hassan frowned. ‘Te Dark Wheel? Aren’t they a faction in Shinrarta
Dezhra?’
Luko chuckled.
‘Somehow I think they are not related,’ Luko said. ‘Hmmm … Life, she saw,
hope.’
‘I’m sorry?’ Hassan said, with a frown.
‘Tat’s what Shinrarta Dezhra means,’ Luko explained. ‘Life, she saw, hope.
Languages of old Earth I was told. Zhizn, life. Ra’at, she saw. Nadezhda, Hope.
Zhizn Ra’at Nadezhda.’
Hassan tried to pronounce it, causing Luko to wince.
‘Have you ever been there?’ Luko asked.
‘Me?’ Hassan replied. ‘No, you need to be Elite, either as a trader, combateer
or explorer before they let you in … Wait a minute. You’ve been there? How?’
Luko shrugged and evaded the question. ‘Tere are ways … Shinrarta is the
world of the Founders, they who sit above the Pilots’ Federation. Is said they
have much power, but they are not the Dark Wheel, I think.’
‘You seem to know a lot about all this …’
‘I know my history, signor,’ Luko said, tapping the side of his nose with a
fnger. ‘Tis Dark Wheel, they appear and they disappear. Whenever a crisisoccurs, there they are. For hundreds of years they have been turning the
pages of the story. "
Quote Premonition by Drew Wagar
That is valid lore, but I don't know how much to trust Luko. He isn't the most transparent guy in the galaxy.
Edit: Every h after T seem to have gone missing from the text. Luko doesn't speak that weird.
Yep. Drew commented about it at some point too, saying that we should remember that the (real) Dark Wheel are masters of obfuscation, IIRC. (My personal take on it is that the Dark Wheel in SD think that they’re the real Dark Wheel.)
I'm more of a mind to think that the "Dark Wheel" from Premonition think that they are the real Dark Wheel.
The organization has been around for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Spread out across countless light-years. We know that at least one other sect broke away from The Dark Wheel ... The Circle of Independent Elite Pilots. I can imagine that there are numerous groups that claim to be the true descendants of The Dark Wheel. Look at Christianity as an example. At the macro level you have the Catholics, Orthodox and the Protestants. Among the Protestants you have Lutherans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Baptists. Throw the Restorationist movements into the mix (Church of Christ, Mormons, Seventh-Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.) All of whom claim that their tradition represents "true Christianity".
The Dark Wheel of Shinrarta Dhezra are probably one of many expressions of the original Dark Wheel that litter themselves across the galaxy.
I thought this put an interesting spin on the competing groups and messages.
https://youtu.be/cy9WLi11598
https://youtu.be/cy9WLi11598