The Reverand's Daily RANT

About this new Generation Ship: I have to admit, when I first saw it on YouTube, I genuinely wanted to HELP, I even yelled to my wife, to come see, proceeding to tell her that I WANT TO HELP THEM. Eagerly I log in, only to see Obsidian's video, announcing that it may very well be an I.I. (CG). Then I B-Line to the Mission Board, and there it is... CG, HELP THEM OUT!!! My heart SUNK. They are in Upaniklis? Barely outside the Bubble? They've been drifting through populated space, for a thousand of years, and... nobody's seen them? No one has happened to scan this thing? A thousand years, and it's out in the parking lot? I understand that the method of travel is slower, but our methods of scanning aren't THIS BAD. I was expecting this thing to have been found remotely located 1500 LY in a given direction, and was anxious to AID THESE PEOPLE!!! Now, I'm angry at them, WHY ARE THEY CALLING US? Wal*Mart is 4 Ls away!!! Can they only transmit? Can they not receive? Has TIME stopped within this ship? Has there been NO TECHNOLOGICAL advancements in 1000 years? Did they not STOP ANYWHERE??? There have been 374 highly trafficked areas within their path, how did they go unnoticed? Weren't they supposed to be looking for somewhere to SETTLE? Are they blind? 374 Earthlike worlds in their DIRECT PATH!!! In a thousand years... Do they deserve to even reintegrate if they're this inadequate? How were THESE our HOPE??? I have 30 more points, but this is getting WAY TOO LONG as is... TL;DR (apologies... I want Hot Cocoa).

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgM_tiw8tng
 
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Most likely, Fdev just added it to the game. I doubt it was there when Elite was released or in any of the older updates. Fdev most likely put it in the game in the last update.

As to the generation ships already found, DW I believe, spoon fed the location to us or we would never have found it.

Of course, your speaking of lore for the ship. Yes, it's strange in a 1000's years that they are not dead. Maybe the kids born can't run the technology on board.
 
IMO it shouldn't be too far from Sol, in some uninhabited system (like the other generation ships). Aren't generation ships from before FTL? No way as ship could make it that far out using normal thrusters.

I was excited when I thought this was another TRUE generation ship that was found like the others. When I discovered it's just a plot mechanic for another Interstellar Initiative, I was truly disappointed, especially for some of the reasons the OP brings up.
 
I completely understand the criticisms behind the lack of player agency and shallowness of our interactions, but...

They've been drifting through populated space, for a thousand of years, and... nobody's seen them?
Space is big and mostly empty.

I understand that the method of travel is slower, but our methods of scanning aren't THIS BAD.
Yes, they are.

Has there been NO TECHNOLOGICAL advancements in 1000 years?
Technological advancement is contingent on many factors, including the size of the society involved and necessity. I would not expect an isolated community to advance as much, or along the same lines as the rest of humanity, and the real-world has many examples of this; most uncontacted peoples are still using stone age tools.

They probably don't even know how current (ED) communications tech can work. The only reason we can recieve their signals is because we are aware of their comms protocols and have scanners to retrieve it. Evidently we can't transmit on those frequencies...probably because no one figured it would be necessary. After all, archeologists rarely expect to encounter living example of the ancient peoples they are studying.

Did they not STOP ANYWHERE???
Can't just stop a generation ship. It probably used half it's fuel accelerating toward then the other half accelerating in the opposite direction to insert itself into orbit around it's desitnation.

There have been 374 highly trafficked areas within their path, how did they go unnoticed? Weren't they supposed to be looking for somewhere to SETTLE? Are they blind? 374 Earthlike worlds in their DIRECT PATH!!! In a thousand years... Do they deserve to even reintegrate if they're this inadequate? How were THESE our HOPE??? I have 30 more points, but this is getting WAY TOO LONG as is... TL;DR (apologies... I want Hot Cocoa).
Destination would be determined, and largely set in stone, well before the mission began.

The ship likely doesn't have the equipment to discover planet sized bodies, nor the fuel to change it's destination even if it could find an alternate one.

Most of those worlds are also new, terraformed ones, that would not have been habitable during the planning stage of the original mission.
 
I completely understand the criticisms behind the lack of player agency and shallowness of our interactions, but...



Space is big and mostly empty.



Yes, they are.



Technological advancement is contingent on many factors, including the size of the society involved and necessity. I would not expect an isolated community to advance as much, or along the same lines as the rest of humanity, and the real-world has many examples of this; most uncontacted peoples are still using stone age tools.

They probably don't even know how current (ED) communications tech can work. The only reason we can recieve their signals is because we are aware of their comms protocols and have scanners to retrieve it. Evidently we can't transmit on those frequencies...probably because no one figured it would be necessary. After all, archeologists rarely expect to encounter living example of the ancient peoples they are studying.



Can't just stop a generation ship. It probably used half it's fuel accelerating toward then the other half accelerating in the opposite direction to insert itself into orbit around it's desitnation.



Destination would be determined, and largely set in stone, well before the mission began.

The ship likely doesn't have the equipment to discover planet sized bodies, nor the fuel to change it's destination even if it could find an alternate one.

Most of those worlds are also new, terraformed ones, that would not have been habitable during the planning stage of the original mission.
needed u in the discussion
 
What Morbad said.

Also
Has there been NO TECHNOLOGICAL advancements in 1000 years?
Science needs heavy and energy - consuming equipment and vast amounts of ressources to experiment with. Sometimes dangerous stuff, too. Makes no sense to take that with you on a mission that's costly enough already. In fact they are lucky if they didn't lose most of the less important knowledge that had no immediate use after a few hundred years of isolation.

Actually it's more unrealistic that their language seemingly didn't change at all.

Also I'd keep the door shut, too. Both the risk to spread their disease to us, and the risk to catch a disease from us that we are immune against (and they not) make that the only logical option.
 
Did they not STOP ANYWHERE???
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There have been 374 highly trafficked areas within their path, how did they go unnoticed? Weren't they supposed to be looking for somewhere to SETTLE? Are they blind? 374 Earthlike worlds in their DIRECT PATH!!! In a thousand years... Do they deserve to even reintegrate if they're this inadequate? How were THESE our HOPE??? I have 30 more points, but this is getting WAY TOO LONG as is... TL;DR (apologies... I want Hot Cocoa).
They deliberately choose to stay on the ship and pass by their destination,

They don't want to be reintegrated
 
IMO it shouldn't be too far from Sol, in some uninhabited system (like the other generation ships). Aren't generation ships from before FTL? No way as ship could make it that far out using normal thrusters.
It had a thousand years to make it 172 or so light years, and is not the furthest out
 
Maybe they're are just a bit finicky about who comes to their aid.

I mean try to imagine; you have been away from any civilized contact for years and years. You post a message on facebook you need help, and the first one to appear is Kenneth McGrew shouting "YOU GUYS THINK YOU HAVE A PROBLEM??! WAIT UNTIL I TELL YOU ABOUT SMALL SEISMIC CHARGES" through their letter slot. I would start my engines again and jog on.
 
Maybe they're are just a bit finicky about who comes to their aid.

I mean try to imagine; you have been away from any civilized contact for years and years. You post a message on facebook you need help, and the first one to appear is Kenneth McGrew shouting "YOU GUYS THINK YOU HAVE A PROBLEM??! WAIT UNTIL I TELL YOU ABOUT SMALL SEISMIC CHARGES" through their letter slot. I would start my engines again and jog on.
@Kenneth Mcgrew


And then, suddenly, you get 23 messages stating why the beluga is the ship they should replace the gen ship with
 
I think the generation ship set pieces and voice acting are awesome.

But what tool of a designer places this much effort into a set piece and does not build mechanics around it?

I think about the station scenarios (pretty much out of reach for new players or players flying small ships), half the time bugged giving you a bounty when you shoot the side you're supposed to shoot, goid attacked megaships with similar bugginess (for me anyway), CZs that populate half of the time, and I have my answer. FDEV cannot manage gameplay mechanics around these set pieces very well.

Is the only functional event-based tool in ED software the CG? I think yes.
 
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