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My thoughts are with everyone bearing the brunt of this. The selflessness of all our healthcare workers is truly humbling, for me, to the point of tears. I help train nurses (Education) and we've currently 130 final year NHS nurses waiting to hear what might be asked or requested of them. They don't deserve the maelstrom they're about to walk into after 10 years of austerity and government underfunding. It makes me regularly weep with pride in them and anger at the political class.

Lions led by donkeys.
I hate to be a , but if you're system is so broke then maybe these lions should have gone into government instead, then.
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-25/hydroxychloroquine-no-better-than-regular-covid-19-care-in-study

Which is why actual trials are needed and banking on highly dubious initial reports constitutes hyping up vague promises of panacea.

Even in the most ideal scenarios, where one or more of these treatments is demonstrated to be broadly effective, expecting this pandemic to be winding down within a few months is a pipe dream.

I have no doubt that most industry that's been suspended will find ways to resume significant production well before the actual COVID-19 pandemic has been resolved, but I'm highly doubtful all the workers that won't be returning will find much solace in that, or that it will constitute a rapid return to normal.





I contend that traditional capitalism (which generally depends on a nominally free market absent of sweeping, codified bias and corruption that would undermine the principles of free exchange and true competition) does not exist, to any meaningful degree, in the modern world. The bulk of major economies are mixed economies where the lines between the state and corporate spheres have been significantly blurred and public exists as a revenue source and economic hedge for an elite who engage in unbridled nepotism, via governments ruled by them, for their benefit.

Certainly, I agree that we have an economic system that doesn't work for the majority of people and that this system is probably not going anywhere. I just think calling it capitalism is at best a euphemism, and at worst a gross misnomer.
I'd agree it's hard to pin down exactly what it is, but I think we all understand the term and broadly what it stands for means and what we recognise by it. I certainly wouldn't put, say, Norway, under the same definition.
 
As interesting as discussions about long term effects of the crisis on our perception of economic systems is; I currently mostly help those (soon to be) affected will have access to healthcare, and in a way that it doesn't bankrupt them and their families.
 
My thoughts are with everyone bearing the brunt of this. The selflessness of all our healthcare workers is truly humbling, for me, to the point of tears. I help train nurses (Education) and we've currently 130 final year NHS nurses waiting to hear what might be asked or requested of them. They don't deserve the maelstrom they're about to walk into after 10 years of austerity and government underfunding. It makes me regularly weep with pride in them and anger at the political class.

Lions led by donkeys.
These years ago there have been big cuts in public healthcare, the worst unemployed have been nurses, and right now they are doubling their shifts (more than 15 hours in a row).

It's funny how last year in my country, some politicians wanted to lower wages precisely to the workers who are doing everything for us today, nurses, delivery people, supermarket checkouts, bus drivers, suburban subway sector ... and those same Politicians today are being attended, in some cases, by the same public health and other services from which they cut expenses.

Here work has been restricted to home for almost 2 weeks, and you need a receipt to be on the street or you will be fined or arrested, so all those people are being considered heroes ATM.
 
You are joking, right?:cautious:
Without any specific exemption, it would be taxable income.

I didn't read the entire relief plan word for word, but I skimmed it and searched for potential tax exemptions related to the payout itself, didn't find any.


Regardless, I'm not terribly critical of the payout...it's not a solution, but it will help, it is largely directed at lower income brackets, and was passed remarkably quickly. It's way better than nothing and considerably better than some initial proposals.

I'd agree it's hard to pin down exactly what it is, but I think we all understand the term and broadly what it stands for means and what we recognise by it. I certainly wouldn't put, say, Norway, under the same definition.
Oh, it might conjure vaguely coherent imagery, but there are are certainly states that most people would think are further from capitalism than Norway that have the same sort of problems as the US that people are blaming on capitalism.

If I were more comfortable trying to reduce things to labels and catchphrases, I might use a term like neofeudalism to describe these systems, but distilling things down that far fails to do justice to reality.

These years ago there have been big cuts in public healthcare, the worst unemployed have been nurses, and right now they are doubling their shifts (more than 15 hours in a row).

It's funny how last year in my country, some politicians wanted to lower wages precisely to the workers who are doing everything for us today, nurses, delivery people, supermarket checkouts, bus drivers, suburban subway sector ... and those same Politicians today are being attended, in some cases, by the same public health and other services from which they cut expenses.

Here work has been restricted to home for almost 2 weeks, and you need a receipt to be on the street or you will be fined or arrested, so all those people are being considered heroes ATM.
And six months after the bulk of the population has been vaccinated, people will start to forget that things like pandemics are even possible and being working to undermine their preparations again.
 
Today in Spain there have been 655 more deaths(4089), and more than 10,000 new infections, the highest number of infections per day so far, and it is still noon, the news says that the number of infections per day has decreased. they're clearly lying because I'm writing it down every day, and I don't think they really know when the highest peak will be of infections / deaths.
US has overtaken Spain today in infections and is approaching Italy.
Before reaching Sunday, even earlier, it will be the country with the most infections in the world, and it does not seem that they are making progress in recoveries like other countries at that point.
Take good care of yourself, American people, things are not looking very good for next week.



Edited: some 5,400 health personnel have been infected.
This is weird.

Says the same number of total deaths, but that it was only '442' today with 656 yesterday? If the link is correct that would be good news, in a painful way?
 
Without any specific exemption, it would be taxable income.

I didn't read the entire relief plan word for word, but I skimmed it and searched for potential tax exemptions related to the payout itself, didn't find any.


Regardless, I'm not terribly critical of the payout...it's not a solution, but it will help, it is largely directed at lower income brackets, and was passed remarkably quickly. It's way better than nothing and considerably better than some initial proposals.
Oh sure. It is just that I worked for the Dutch IRS and I developed a well-honed irritation for needlessly daft things like this. But sure, it beats nothing for sure and this will be an important short-term relief for millions.
 
There's a lot of stuff in the package, much of it poorly understood and no doubt hurriedly, sloppily articulated. What else would you expect from a bill of such magnitude drafted almost overnight? The bottom line is that the wheels are turning and we're doing something, with a great deal more on the horizon. We expect to see an average of $3400 per family of four, which is nothing to sneeze at. That's in addition to loan payment freezes, rental payment freezes, business loans directly from the bill, etc. Yet you guys mock those of us who stand by our leaders and choose optimism over fear.

Out of curiosity, what is everyone else doing around the world in a similar vein? At a potential price tag of 6 trillion, who else is throwing such wealth into the effort?
 
This is weird.

Says the same number of total deaths, but that it was only '442' today with 656 yesterday? If the link is correct that would be good news, in a painful way?
655 deaths in Spain since 12:00, that is in the national news. Keep in mind that the real data between countries takes hours even days to update, they could even be longer in the data update tonight, the data that shows us at all times is hours or days late, so the situation may be even worse.
 
655 deaths in Spain since 12:00, that is in the national news. Keep in mind that the real data between countries takes hours even days to update, they could even be longer in the data update tonight, the data that shows us at all times is hours or days late, so the situation may be even worse.
Every death in your country that isn't by blunt force trauma will be attributed to coronavirus. That's what's happening in Italy, and no doubt here in America. 40k deaths per year to the seasonal flu in America are not actually tabulated from physical tests, but rather from a statistical calculation based on mathematical estimates by the CDC. In other words pulled simply from a simple calculation based on theory. These will now be attributed to the coronavirus.
 
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Every death in your country that isn't by blunt force trauma will be attributed to coronavirus. That's what's happening in Italy, and no doubt here in America. 40k deaths per year to the seasonal flu in America are not actually tabulated from physical tests, but rather from a statistical calculation based on mathematical estimates by the CDC. In other words pulled simply from a simple calculation based on theory. These will now be attributed to the coronavirus.
I suppose you will not believe it until you see it,to a lesser extent, young or healthy people have also died ... you are right, the virus is worse with people who already have previous pathologies, immunodeficiency, respiratory issues and more, but it kills very quickly and suddenly, (some testimonies are terrifying), that is the real danger, since we do not have respirators and beds for so many people at the same time, but it is truly breaking all the death records in my country, seasonal flu kills around 6500 people a year, this virus has killed more than that half in just 2 weeks.


It doesn't seem like a normal situation here anyway.
 
I suppose you will not believe it until you see it,to a lesser extent, young or healthy people have also died ... you are right, the virus is worse with people who already have previous pathologies, immunodeficiency, respiratory issues and more, but it kills very quickly and suddenly, (some testimonies are terrifying), that is the real danger, since we do not have respirators and beds for so many people at the same time, but it is truly breaking all the death records in my country, seasonal flu kills around 6500 people a year, this virus has killed more than that half in just 2 weeks.


It doesn't seem like a normal situation here anyway.
At the end of the day we're just expressing opinions. I want nothing but the best for my brother's and sisters, regardless of international border.

All I know for sure is that once I determined that in my family I was the only one of us at serious risk, it became clear that I was going to keep working until I dropped dead or someone makes me stop. I continue to do so not because I'm convinced that this can't kill me, but because it's the way I'm wired. Note, I'm in the construction industry, so I can easily keep proper social distancing as most of my jobs don't require contact with other people
 
Every death in your country that isn't by blunt force trauma will be attributed to coronavirus. That's what's happening in Italy, and no doubt here in America. 40k deaths per year to the seasonal flu in America are not actually tabulated from physical tests, but rather from a statistical calculation based on mathematical estimates by the CDC. In other words pulled simply from a simple calculation based on theory. These will now be attributed to the coronavirus.
Better surveillance . Testing makes these numbers more accurate, in terms of who and what is reported as CoViD - 19 deaths . But you know that . You also do not really KNOW what is reported as CoViD -19 death in Italy or the USA, or do you ? If you have accuate numbers/a good source, please provide us with this ?

You are still comparing this to the flu . I am at a loss of words man .
 
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