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Looking like the peak is over. That's good.
It tells us that the new variant is controllable. The end is in sight now.

However the vaccination efforts will be a factor on the positive side. Cannot predict this, too many variables.
In the UK we have a lull, but I can see that is going to rise again. In about 10 to 15 days, we may see the highest peek ever; but at the same time, if everything goes to plan; it could be that last.
 
Health service over here have reported long covid cases with recurring problems with breathing, chest pains, added diabetes and others for a while now. Not so much new, 2nd infections and, along with trauma, mental heath issues and others, we're looking at losing 15% of our health staff, from chair of BMA here but somehow we're getting though it. 1,104 have quit as well apparently...our biggest problem is staff and we already have 4th year students and teachers in now...as well as non-urgent ops cancelled and theatres diverted, private hospital helping. Not much more we can do.
The tighter controls for traveling should help regards new things, which will be plenty..
One thing seems apparent is that the higher numbers aren't transfering as much to the worst cases, maybe because younger...still deaths were rising and monday's are usually under reported.
Our rolling average for cases has dropped by half in a week but needs to come some.
 
However daily deaths are still increasing and more people in hospital than in the first wave.
True enough, but you're starting to see the effects of the lockdown kicking in.
What happened over here was a bit different, we were at 100% occupancy at the start of dec, lockdown till 14th(stayed the same, new variant suspected), xmas shopping(silly), 1 day xmas(silly) and lockdown since then big spike, spike, big spike and the virus no longer confined to hospitals and care homes...some counties joined the 1:1000 club. NY's and BH idiots kept the numbers up.
Yet, as a country, we're starting to come out the other side although our health service is in tatters and probably will be for a while..
I dunno where the rest of the UK is but it seems we're maybe a week or so ahead.
All I'm saying is that we all keep it together, it'll only help. We have to ride it out for now because what was done cannot be changed..
Worst week for nhs incoming here...
 
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Surveillance of articles on the 452r variant:

First described in Denmark.
Cases in California have no history of travel.
Involved in Christmas Day outbreak at Kaiser Permanente clinic in San Jose. Ca.

Checked with the predictive molecular modelling and found this:
Cluster IV analysis
Figure 7 shows the BFE changes of mutations in Cluster IV. Among all mutations in Cluster IV, mutation L452R has the largest free energy change and directly connects the ACE2 receptor.

Oh 💩. That is not good. That's a positive stability change that binds to our receptor. Therefore, MORE infective, by computer modelling.

Is there any evidence of that in real life though?

Dr. Charles Chiu, a virologist and professor of laboratory medicine at the UC San Francisco, noted the variant’s “very high attack rate” that in some outbreaks being studied led to “80 and 90 percent” infection scenarios.

Chiu said in an interview Sunday night that the first case of the variant in California was discovered in May in Alameda County. But from mid-November to the last two weeks of December, the number of COVID-19 cases tied to the strain rose from 3.8% to 25%.

“It is concerning that it may potentially be more infectious,” Chiu said

Ok. Bad enough. But how about lethality?

State health officials reported Sunday that a variant of the COVID-19 virus has been been identified in several large outbreaks in Santa Clara County, including one at Kaiser Permanente’s San Jose Medical Center that led to several dozen infections and possibly one death.

The variant — L452R — is different than the new highly contagious strain that has been spreading rapidly in the United Kingdom. But the 452R variant has previously been detected in other countries and states and is now increasingly being found in multiple counties throughout California
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Ok, still killing people, but no real indication of increased trouble.
Will vaccines cover it?

Chiu said early indications are the L452R may be less susceptible to the currently-approved vaccines, but more investigation is needed.

“This variant carries three mutations, including L452R, in the spike protein, which the virus uses to attach to and enter cells, and is the target of the two vaccines that are currently available in the United States,” said Dr. Chiu

We don't know yet.

Best guess:
Based on prior success with the same modelling software, the 501 series of mutants performed as predicted. So likely the forecast for the 452 mutant will also be correct. This is probably going to be at least as bad as 501, maybe worse, as it is rated as the MOST free energy changed mutant, so the spike protein is going to be toughened and reinforced, and will not snap off like lesser ones.

More working spikes per virion = higher binding potential = bigger R0.
Also means more places for antibodies to gum it up. I feel that the vaccine will still work fine. That has about zero value as comfort as IANAVirologist.
 
1,610 deaths from Covid-19 in 24 hours in the United Kingdom :oops:

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Shame !

Italy Lombardy highlights its wealth to obtain more vaccines.

The authorities of the Lombardy region -industrial lung of Italy- provoked an outcry on Tuesday, January 19 in the country, proposing the idea of distributing doses of anti-Covid-19 vaccines according to the wealth produced by a territory.

"In Italy, the health is a fundamental public good, guaranteed by the Constitution, not a privilege for those who have more", immediately ruled the Italian Minister of Health.

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Shame !

Italy Lombardy highlights its wealth to obtain more vaccines.

The authorities of the Lombardy region -industrial lung of Italy- provoked an outcry on Tuesday, January 19 in the country, proposing the idea of distributing doses of anti-Covid-19 vaccines according to the wealth produced by a territory.

"In Italy, the health is a fundamental public good, guaranteed by the Constitution, not a privilege for those who have more", immediately ruled the Italian Minister of Health.

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That is obscene.
 
Not your typical reliable source, but if this is true it's bad:


Prof. Moore is a world expert on viral escape mechanism & vaccines.

President Trump has rescinded travel restrictions on South Africa as one of his final acts. Not joking.
 
Shame !

Italy Lombardy highlights its wealth to obtain more vaccines.

The authorities of the Lombardy region -industrial lung of Italy- provoked an outcry on Tuesday, January 19 in the country, proposing the idea of distributing doses of anti-Covid-19 vaccines according to the wealth produced by a territory.

"In Italy, the health is a fundamental public good, guaranteed by the Constitution, not a privilege for those who have more", immediately ruled the Italian Minister of Health.

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That region has the most people and 'has' administered the most vaccines. But only about 20% more, than the other top 5 places in France.
 
It includes weekend numbers, which is why no-one trumpets low death rates on Saturday and Sunday
That is dubious at best. Any figures that are not correlated, from days before. would not be added to the current days numbers. On the grounds, that they would create an inaccurate record of events. Plus doing so, only make things look worse.

Don't forget, we are talking, international league tables here.
 
Keeping track of the alphanumerology of variants is impossible now. As it keeps changing, current ones become superceded.


These sre the ones tracked by us here. You can see there isn't a standard general naming system.

D614G mutation......... identified early on. World dominant change. All others are superimposed on top.

B.1.1.7 ............ found in Kent, U.K.
501.V2............. found in Cape Town, S.A.
B.1.1.248.......... found in Japan, in Brazillian travellers.
Those are all collectively variants with position 501 substitution.

Unknown(to me) additional variant reported in Manaus, Brazil

L452r.......... found in Denmark, now western USA, California
Not a 501 family mutant.
 
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