"Masks don't work" is a conspiracy theory. It doesn't matter if you don't like the term it's still an accurate one.
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Okay, well if that's the level we're going for I'll just say that it doesn't matter if you think it's an accurate term, because it isn't one. Maybe you can reply with "yes it is" and whoever posts last wins?
You could always try posting some sources as multiple people have already suggested to you. Unless you can do that the extensive verifiable sources that prove it's a conspiracy theory will stand
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Why? You keep making these statements without expanding on your reasoning.
Anti-vaxxers claims that masks don't work or that they make the wearer suffer from oxygen defficiency etc.
Depending on the material used some masks are not going to be as good as stopping particles as others, that's about the most one could say without falling into anti-vaxx conspiracy nonsense.
Anti-maskers are the new anti-vaxxers
The same anti-science, don't-tell-me-what-to-do attitude that fuels the anti-vaccine movement has attracted anti-maskers.
www.businessinsider.com
Why? You keep making these statements without expanding on your reasoning.
Anti-vaxxers claims that masks don't work or that they make the wearer suffer from oxygen defficiency etc.
Depending on the material used some masks are not going to be as good as stopping particles as others, that's about the most one could say without falling into anti-vaxx conspiracy nonsense.
Anti-maskers are the new anti-vaxxers
The same anti-science, don't-tell-me-what-to-do attitude that fuels the anti-vaccine movement has attracted anti-maskers.
Yep, it's exactly the same dyfunctional mistakes repeated again. Same homicidal nonsense. Same idiots.
Good news overall .
Hooray .
On a sidenote:
There are 2 kinds of people. And one of them is going to get both of them killed .
And, on the matter of "good, healthy immune System" . We have been going through this several times by now, in this and the "safest place" thread, so I will make it short :
ask the net search of your choice about "CoVid19 Cytokine Storm" or "SARS-CoV-2 Cytokine Storm" . It comes down to your perfectly well working immune system going into overdrive for one or the other reason, or several of them, and in consequence actually threatening to kill you .
Which is zero news to people actually interested in what stuff is all about, and how it works . Autoimmune problems are not new or exclusive to SARS-CoV-2 infection .
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Rest assured, people posting a lot in this and the "safest pace" thread have been going through numerous issues/topics several times during the last 15ish months . So really, cut us some slack . We are no idiots .
I did post this at least once before, it is one of my fav Ted talks :
Just beacuse it is a conspiracy theory does not mean it is not true .
The "Masks do not work" is a statement/theory used to undermine/torpedoe any kind of effort to actively fight the pandemic/the virus . It is one of several, some rather complex, "ideas" that repeatedly, over and over, and interestingly ALWAYS when it would be REALLY important MORE people work together to suppress, surface . Like many other inaccurate statements re SARS-CoV-2, Pandemic, NPIs, what is really going on etcetcetc, it has it's root's in traceable sources, or at least the sources using it almost always have some very specific things in common . For instance, ignorance about immune system and it's potentially desastrous workings re. SARS-CoV-2 infection and "masks don't work" pretty often go very close together .
If nothing else helps you, just read that quote on "conspiracy theories" Robin provided above one more time .
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I'm just living it out, one day at a time.
It’s not a bad policy in life in general. Being here and now in today is one way to actually get some enjoyment out of it.
It seems to be a general human trait to always consider that things ‘will be better in 5 years time’ and therefore skip enjoying the moment.
I try to plan for the future to some degree - but I’ve noticed that the camper van pot never gets any fuller, there’s always some unexpected needier cause ;-)
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Show a clinical trial that mask works, I will be waiting right here.
What a load of Buuuuull
Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers: A Randomized Controlled Trial: Annals of Internal Medicine: Vol 174, No 3
Background: Observational evidence suggests that mask wearing mitigates transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). It is uncertain if this observed association arises through protection of uninfected wearers (protective effect), via reduced transmission from...
www.acpjournals.org
and the jab is a Russian roulette, still pending a full FDA approval! (COVID-19 Vaccines Authorized for Emergency Use)
COVID-19 Vaccines
The FDA has regulatory processes in place to facilitate the development of COVID-19 vaccines that meet the FDA's rigorous scientific standards.
I'd trust my own immune system a lot more than an untested cocktail of unknown substances.
SWhat a load of Buuuuull
Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers: A Randomized Controlled Trial: Annals of Internal Medicine: Vol 174, No 3
Background: Observational evidence suggests that mask wearing mitigates transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). It is uncertain if this observed association arises through protection of uninfected wearers (protective effect), via reduced transmission from...www.acpjournals.org
and the jab is a Russian roulette, still pending a full FDA approval! (COVID-19 Vaccines Authorized for Emergency Use)
COVID-19 Vaccines
The FDA has regulatory processes in place to facilitate the development of COVID-19 vaccines that meet the FDA's rigorous scientific standards.www.fda.gov
I'd trust my own immune system a lot more than an untested cocktail of unknown substances.
The vaccine is not experimental because it’s new
A widely circulating claim is that the vaccines being rolled out are “experimental” because of the short time-frame in which they have been produced.The reality is, despite the speed in which they have been developed, the same strict procedures for developing a vaccine have been adhered to and are being overseen by independent regulators, Bryan Deane, Director of new medicines and data policy at the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry (ABPI) explained.
5 of the biggest fake claims about the Covid vaccine - and why we know they're definitely wrong
From vaccines containing aborted fetuses to microchips, misinformation on jabs continue to circulate online without any evidence
inews.co.uk
The scale of the misinformation campaign to spread distrust in a Covid-19 vaccine has been revealed in a new report.
The Center for Countering Digital Hate gained access to a private anti-vaxxers' conference, finding groups were intent on recruiting new members and undermining facts about the jab.
The claims made by anti-vaccination groups are unfounded, with any potential Covid-19 vaccine undergoing rigorous testing before getting approval from regulators.
Revealed: Anti-vaxxers' plans to undermine trust in Covid-19 vaccine | ITV News
A report by the Center for Countering Digital Hate outlines anti-vaxxers’ plan to spread distrust about the Covid vaccine. | ITV National News
www.itv.com
Supporters of QAnon -- some of whom have been tied to violent incidents and participated in the January 6 insurrection at the United States Capitol -- have also played a significant role in spreading misinformation about the coronavirus pandemic since it began. In recent months, as coronavirus vaccines -- which are safe and effective -- have been released, QAnon supporters have turned their attacks on the vaccines, spreading numerous false claims about them.
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No, what's bull is claiming masks do not work. Take your bleach, vit D and pray it away dude!
Which just shows how willingly ignorant you are choosing to be. The amount of testing done on these vaccines is simply unheard of, especially in such a short timespan.
I guess this is what happens when you get your opinions from facebook and fox.
What claims am I making that require sources? I'm making claims about what the words "conspiracy" and "theory" mean. You can look them up in a dictionary. If you don't already know what they mean, you shouldn't be using them. A conspiracy theory requires the presence of a putative conspiracy. The statement "masks don't work" does not contain one. Therefore by definition it is not a conspiracy theory. You providing links that talk about "the virus is a hoax started by a Jewish elite" do not in any way address this.You could always try posting some sources as multiple people have already suggested to you. Unless you can do that the extensive verifiable sources that prove it's a conspiracy theory will stand
It's like you've posted a photo of a table and stated that it's a rhinoceros, and then are demanding I provide sources when I say no it isn't. The source is knowing what a table is and what a rhinoceros is.
Yes, the links you provided quite clearly stated the requirement that a conspiracy is a key requirement of a conspiracy theory, as I've been saying. If you can explain where the conspiracy is in the statement "masks don't work" that would be useful.
I get that you can't post any sources because you are frightened of being fact checked.
That doesn't mean I'll waste time arguing the definition of a conspiracy theory with you. If you don't like the phrase you should avoid the thread as conspiracy theories are all the anti-mask anti-vax anti-education types have.
It's like banging my head against a brick wall. If you go back and read it yourself you will see that (obviously!) a conspiracy is a key component of a conspiracy theory. I don't know why you're linking me to a video that seems to be completely unrelated to the point I'm making. I don't know why you've written a paragraph stating all the reasons that masks DO work, when I never said they didn't.
"Conspiracy theory" and "falsehood" are not synonyms.
("Conspiracy" and "conspiracy theory" certainly aren't either)
A false claim is not a "conspiracy theory" if it makes no mention of any conspiracy.
Turtles are not hang-gliders.
A turtle hanging from a hang-glider, is still a turtle and not a hang-glider, no matter how frequently they are seen hanging from hang-gliders.
A hang-glider does not become a turtle, even if every single hang-glider is adorned with a turtle.
The defining characteristic of a turtle is not that it glides through the air, but that it is a reptile with a hard shell. Even if you see them gliding through the air a lot.
Etc etc.
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