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Synkreto

Synkreto
Para Handy said:
Is there something inherently unsafe about Far Eastern / Chinese farming methods that facilitates these zoonotic infections?

In addition to the BBC News item I posted last night, the Guardian covers the same story about this new Swine Flu:

www.theguardian.com

New swine flu with pandemic potential identified by China researchers

G4 strain has already infected 10% of industry’s workers in China but no evidence yet that it can be passed from human to human
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Not really . Avian Flu could jump to humans in a German chicken pen .
 

Robin of Spiritwood

Robin of Spiritwood
www.cnbc.com

CDC says U.S. has 'way too much virus' to control pandemic as cases surge across country

"What we have in the United States, it's hard to describe because it's so many different outbreaks," said Dr. Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the CDC.
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This is not good. When the CDC says it's too far gone...
The only 2 approaches now, if that is true, would be to capitulate and bury the dead, or go full on Wuhan style totalitarian crackdown :no contact tracing or targeted ops, just blunt force isolation.

<- Not an epidemiologist. Not able to predict this outcome. Looking at uncontrolled spread in 330 million = 274 million infected to get 80% immunity. But immunity does not last past 3 months, so we have a decay rate operating = cumulative number infected at T minus 90 days.

At 0.1% case fatality that is 2.74 million dead. If that is one order of magnitude off, we get 274 thousand dead by the time it stops, not counting the decay rate. Both untenable. Something needs to get done to prevent this.
 

Ralph Vargr

Ralph Vargr
One of our re-opened library branches closed today, as one staff member tested positive. They are de-contaminating the building, etc...

We can expect this to go on a long, long time.
 

Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
Robin of Spiritwood said:
At 0.1% case fatality that is 2.74 million dead. If that is one order of magnitude off, we get 274 thousand dead by the time it stops, not counting the decay rate. Both untenable. Something needs to get done to prevent this.
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<= Not an epidemiologist either, just an asthmatic who works retail, but has been tracking official numbers since this whole disaster started

Based on the numbers reported by the CDC, as well as the health department of my home state of Minnesota, the death rate seems to be about 2% of those infected... at least once we finally started doing anywhere near sufficient testing. This is based on the daily ratio of new deaths to newly identified infections.

Also, I think you initially meant 1%, not 0.1%.
 

Robin of Spiritwood

Robin of Spiritwood
My math is off, indeed. 1% is correct.

There is an "attempted coup" according to the Commissioner of Police. 72 arrests, one death: a pregnant woman. Sounds fishy.
trinidadexpress.com

Pregnant woman shot dead during protests in Beetham

A WOMAN, who was among the street protesters on Tuesday, was shot, and has died at hospital.
trinidadexpress.com trinidadexpress.com

The country is under attack from pregnant women?

The armed forces have squashed the disturbance, which seems to have been more of a vigorous protest against police extrajudicial executions. A number of Usual Suspects have been picked up, but there was gunfire, cars overturned and fires reported in the capital.

Nobody else seems to be seriously hurt. Hopefully it's done now.
 
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Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
Para Handy said:
Is there something inherently unsafe about Far Eastern / Chinese farming methods that facilitates these zoonotic infections?

In addition to the BBC News item I posted last night, the Guardian covers the same story about this new Swine Flu:

www.theguardian.com

New swine flu with pandemic potential identified by China researchers

G4 strain has already infected 10% of industry’s workers in China but no evidence yet that it can be passed from human to human
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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The issue is more about the presence of wet markets with exotic animals and their lack of hygene. Such issue has been researched and documented for a considerable amount of time.
 

Robin of Spiritwood

Robin of Spiritwood

"Late is the hour in which this conjurer chooses to appear. "- Wormtongue.

6 months.
It's already too late according to the CDC. But maybe doing something is better than not trying. Can't tell if this is a public health message, or some kind of internal political signal that is too subtle to get. Doesn't matter, it is the right message to send.

Masks are on sale here everywhere now. Seamstress home businesses are cranking out fabric masks to retail outlets. I bought a couple black/navy blue reversible ones, for ah ... fashion.
 

Synkreto

Synkreto
metatheurgist said:
More good news for herd immunity.

www.bbc.com

Coronavirus: What does Covid-19 do to the brain?

How can coronavirus affect the brain? The BBC’s medical correspondent investigates.
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Considering more and more knowledge/Data re.the possible effects - as well as the recent findings re. immunity - it is truly unbelieveable there are still people thinknig it is a good "strategy" .

It is SO abundantly clear - and interestingly, has been to people like WHO and firends from very early on ( this becomes very clear when one actually listens(ed) to them and thinks through their recommendations ) that the BEST and ONLY thing we have to do is drumroll prevent people getting infected, at all, as much as possible .
Not claiming they KNEW much - they did not claim that, either - but they at least definitely had a pretty clear understanding of "everything is possible" .
 
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Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Synkreto said:
Not really . Avian Flu could jump to humans in a German chicken pen .
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German chickens aren't in much contact with wild animals though. There is far less chance that they get the flu in the first place.

When it comes to EU agriculture, I would worry far more about the overuse of antibiotics than the risk of virus transfer.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Para Handy said:
Is there something inherently unsafe about Far Eastern / Chinese farming methods that facilitates these zoonotic infections?

In addition to the BBC News item I posted last night, the Guardian covers the same story about this new Swine Flu:

www.theguardian.com

New swine flu with pandemic potential identified by China researchers

G4 strain has already infected 10% of industry’s workers in China but no evidence yet that it can be passed from human to human
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Click to expand...

Bringing lots of exotic animals in close proximity to each other in unhygienic conditions is a problem. On the other hand, 20% of the world population lives in China alone, add India and such and it makes sense most virus come from China or Africa.
 

Manticore

Manticore
Robin of Spiritwood said:
"Late is the hour in which this conjurer chooses to appear. "- Wormtongue.

6 months.
It's already too late according to the CDC. But maybe doing something is better than not trying. Can't tell if this is a public health message, or some kind of internal political signal that is too subtle to get. Doesn't matter, it is the right message to send.
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I haven't posted in this thread for ages. I respect the opinions aired, I get the news but I don't want to discuss the issue in depth; it's something we are all living with and that's the way it is.

What I can say though is that we've been lucky here, and I hope we know, and are grateful for, that.

So far things are o.k. (in a manner of speaking) although there is a second wave of outbreaks in another state.

But our measures have been pretty stringent (with exceptions or stuff-ups) and most people seem to want to do the right thing which is protect us all. Yes common sense can be problematic for some but, at least in my state, we have had the least reported cases and deaths and, nationally, we are doing much better than many, many other nation states.

The only message I get now is that this isn't over and won't be over for a long time....
 

metatheurgist

metatheurgist
It already attacks young people. It just doesn't kill them necessarily. We're looking at Kawasaki syndrome for some of the very young, increased risk of diabetes, permanent cardio-vascular damage (which may one day result in mortality) and now possible brain damage that may result in psychosis or metabolic issues. But I suppose that's an issue for the tomorrow version of themselves, now it's time to party!
 

Leper Messiah

Leper Messiah
metatheurgist said:
It already attacks young people. It just doesn't kill them necessarily. We're looking at Kawasaki syndrome for some of the very young, increased risk of diabetes, permanent cardio-vascular damage (which may one day result in mortality) and now possible brain damage that may result in psychosis or metabolic issues. But I suppose that's an issue for the tomorrow version of themselves, now it's time to party!
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They know it attacks them but because the media has been full of "but the young only get mild symptons in the vast majority of cases" the young don't regard this as a big enough problem. Of course authorities have to balance information to stop mass panic.
 
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