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General / Off-Topic The safest place
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Yes and we can also imagine the deaths of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of elderly and in fragile health.No "herd immunity":
Herd immunity is a fantasy
Despite what science or the failed coronavirus strategy in Sweden tell us, people continue to entertain herd immunity as a possible strategy for ending the Covid-19 pandemic, writes William Haseltine.www.cnn.com
It mutates, and then you get re-infected.
Yes and we can also imagine the deaths of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of elderly and in fragile health.
It's the manner of their passing that's bad as well, hardly any family to comfort them or in the worst cases none at all.....really breaks my heart.
No "herd immunity":
Herd immunity is a fantasy
Despite what science or the failed coronavirus strategy in Sweden tell us, people continue to entertain herd immunity as a possible strategy for ending the Covid-19 pandemic, writes William Haseltine.
It mutates, and then you get re-infected.
To be fair their isn't much evidence of that either. It is mutating but that doesn't mean the moment it mutates your immune system can't recognise the mutated version and you are doomed to end up on a ventilator. It is quite possible that it is mutating to become less deadly (it isn't in its own evolutionary interest to kill people and the way we are reacting to it is probably a lot like selective breading in an evolutionary respect).
I'm absolutely not for letting the virus run riot but herd immunity isn't some sort of crazy idea that could never work. If all the people that don't die from it encourage it to turn into a new cold or mild flu then that's good enough. If it stays as infectious as a cold and 10x as dangerous as the Flu then we have a real long term problem. We need to see if all these second waves are as deadly before the idea of herd immunity can be thrown out of the window completely.
Maybe do as the Chinese, build giant prefabricated hospitals in 10 days ?
We built the equivalent of 10 new hospitals in a few weeks in the UK. They were hardly used and are currently on stand-by
That will be me, unfortunately. Another gravestone at Jefferson Barracks.It's the manner of their passing that's bad as well, hardly any family to comfort them or in the worst cases none at all.....really breaks my heart.
Talking to a buddy. The elders will need to band together, since there will be little to turn to.
We built a new airbase every three days during World War 2 in the UK.
This society needs to up it's game.
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Virus becoming endemic != Herd Immunity . Look at lets say Influenza . HCoVs . We (humankind) have known those Virusses for a while . How is herd immunity against those coming along ?
T cell test
Indoor Biotechnologies have completed work on their T cell test for Coronavirus. Implications for vaccine trials assessment are big.
www.newscientist.com
Indoor Biotechnologies have completed work on their T cell test for Coronavirus. Implications for vaccine trials assessment are big.
What are T-cells and why have they become a political football?
T-cells are a key part of our immune system, but some say they have been overlooked during the coronavirus pandemic
www.newscientist.com
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Epidemiologic data locally shows a twin peak followed by a decline in the incidence of new cases. As things rapidly got worse in August, the population self moderated, and this led to an initial decline from the first peak, about 2 weeks later.
M <-- the valley in the M.
This was undone, paradoxically by the announcement of restrictions.
The day before the mandates became effective, hordes of idiots rushed out to riversides, bars, beaches, etc. 2 weeks later, we got the second peak. This has been termed a "las lap" spike, after the tradition of binge drinking, violence and sex that happens in the last 3 hours of Carnival, every year.
By the same people? Maybe.
Decreased risk assessment and bad impulse control are closely linked:
Parkinson's disease meds increase risk of compulsive gambling, shopping, binge eating
Drugs commonly prescribed to treat Parkinson's disease are linked to impulse control disorders such as pathological gambling, compulsive buying, hypersexuality and binge eating in some patients, warn researchers.
www.sciencedaily.com
Increased dopaminergic transmission in the brain is connected to the phenomenon. In Parkinson's, this is decreased in motor control areas, the basal ganglia. The medicines increase dopamine globally, back to normal there, but higher than normal elsewhere, causing reduced prefrontal cortex function. So poor impulse control, and poor risk assessment result. Other side effects include a kind of psychosis, with hallucinations and disordered thinking.
It's possible to pharmacologically do the opposite.
Antidopaminergic drugs are used in Psych. To treat psychosis. They blunt impulsive actions, and suppress delusional belief formation. Such as New World Order being a believable threat, but the actual pandemic not being real. As you might infer, the side effects are movement disorders, like in Parkinson's.
I'm not proposing or suggesting any people be medicated. These are just observations on brains, and our behaviours. We need better, more specific, medicines obviously. Evolutionarily, the people with poor impulse control, disordered thinking etc, are more likely to reproduce. But pandemics help balance things out.
As hard as it is to concieve, pandemics might shift humanity towards greater sanity, every 100 years, by simply winnowing out the weakest.
Royaume-Uni: une amende de 11 000 euros pour non-respect de la quarantaine.
Les Britanniques qui ne se conforment pas à l'auto-maîtrise en cas de contamination par un coronavirus seront condamnés à une amende allant jusqu'à 10000 livres sterling
1000 GBP (1090 euros) to 10,000 GBP for repeated breaches or worst breaches.
Les Britanniques qui ne se conforment pas à l'auto-maîtrise en cas de contamination par un coronavirus seront condamnés à une amende allant jusqu'à 10000 livres sterling
1000 GBP (1090 euros) to 10,000 GBP for repeated breaches or worst breaches.
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Just to quantify I'm "liking" your post to sympathise with it!That will be me, unfortunately. Another gravestone at Jefferson Barracks.
Talking to a buddy. The elders will need to band together, since there will be little to turn to.
We are at a crucial point here in NZ. It has been a few days without new community cases of COVID-19, after a little new cluster popped up and was swiftly tied off. Now most of the country is moving to Level 1 which is really "do as you please, but stay anxious" while Auckland stays as level 2.5 for a few more days before moving to level 2 on Wednesday..
Is it a good idea? The slowly asphyxiating economy says yes, yet looking out over the world in general, we should probably not expect a relaxation to bring everything back to normal.
Because the world outside is not looking well. We, like everybody else, depend on international trade for wellfare. Last time a pandemic crept in, however, it burned through the country like a wildfire. Yes, it was the Spanish Flu in 1917, but the language of trying to downplay the effects of the virus when comparing the obviously detrimental economic impact have many similarities.
Fingers crossed things will go well. But it is not pretty out there.
Stay well! Or at least safe.
S
Is it a good idea? The slowly asphyxiating economy says yes, yet looking out over the world in general, we should probably not expect a relaxation to bring everything back to normal.
Because the world outside is not looking well. We, like everybody else, depend on international trade for wellfare. Last time a pandemic crept in, however, it burned through the country like a wildfire. Yes, it was the Spanish Flu in 1917, but the language of trying to downplay the effects of the virus when comparing the obviously detrimental economic impact have many similarities.
Fingers crossed things will go well. But it is not pretty out there.
Stay well! Or at least safe.
S
Whats really eye opening in visual form for me is the way that some countries hockey leagues are handling events in terms of spectators.
Compare:
US NHL Stanley Cup game a short while ago
Russian KHL last week
Compare:
US NHL Stanley Cup game a short while ago
Russian KHL last week
UK update from the mouth of Boris just now;
Hospitality
table service only (thought that's what it was when pubs opened)
closed by 10pm - not just last orders
Retail
face coverings for all staff in retail and in hospitality except when eating
Sports
Holding on opening sports terraces
Possibly in place for 6 months
There was nothing further on home/household meetings - still rule of 6 - but no further restrictions.
Not great for the hospitality peeps but could have been worse I guess..
Hospitality
table service only (thought that's what it was when pubs opened)
closed by 10pm - not just last orders
Retail
face coverings for all staff in retail and in hospitality except when eating
Sports
Holding on opening sports terraces
Possibly in place for 6 months
There was nothing further on home/household meetings - still rule of 6 - but no further restrictions.
Not great for the hospitality peeps but could have been worse I guess..
Yes it could far worse.
(I had nearly run out, so I actually needed it. Though I'm sure the UK won't start stockpiling again ...)
The United States today recorded its 200,000th death attributed to Covid-19, according to Johns Hopkins University.
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