The Size Issue, and others

[m2wester]

People should remember that in humans, sizes commonly vary by ~15%, significantly more if we include gender dimorphism, and that's in no way unique to humans. Also, zoo animals typically grow larger than their wild counterparts, because they are fed better. Claiming that Giganotosaurus should be 20cm longer than T-Rex for "scientific accuracy" is from my point of view pretty ridiculous, especially in a game where not even the Dromaeosaurids and Ornithomimids have feathers...

That being said, Giganotosaurus is not just a little bit smaller than the T-Rex, it's much smaller. And considering that Giganotosaurus is beloved because it was big, Frontier should have known that this is problematic. Not so much because of lack of accuracy, but because of the emotional connection people have to it and its size. If it was about scientific accuracy, people other than me* would be annoyed about the herbivores as well, but noone likes Chasmosaurus because it was half the length of Triceratops, so nobody is annoyed that it's almost the same size in the game...

*To be clear, I'm not so much annoyed by lack of accuracy as I am by unnecessary lack of diversity.

 

[paleostudent]

That "Allosaurus" is the Saurophaganax Maximus. It's known by a few bones of at least four individuals and has an estimated length between 11 and 13 m. Since there is not so much fossils from them, there is some paleontologist have the theory that Saurophaganax is not a different species, they list them as very big Allosaurus or a subspecies, Allosaurus Maximus.

Now at least one guy get its. Even if you see estimation after estimations.....as i said average rex was 10-11m so are big allosaurus even fragilis.

 

[tranquochuy]

@m2wester
There are many size issues in game. I'm a fan of Giganotosaurus and I was very excited when i knew that it would be in game.
But the more excited i was, the more disappointed I got when I first saw it.
If Giganotosaurus was just a little bit smaller than the T-Rex, I would be fine. But what I saw? Where is the giant southern lizard? I call it is Tinynotosaurus!

 

[paleostudent]

You don't need to argue with him. He can not distinguish between Saurophaganax and Allosaurus, and as he said: "All posts are hevily wrong".
If everything is right, then we aren't here to discuss (not argue)

They are, ask people how big were the most dinosaurs they oversestimate them by quite a bit. not to mention you guys are arguing about movie monsters in a game that are even heavily designed with genoms EVEN in JURASSIC WORLD Henry Wu explains it !!! Yet you guys dont stop....he clearly said you dont wanted scientific accurate dinos you wanted more teeth aka monsters for attractions where it doesnt matter if they are 20 meter or 10 its a movie after all. easy as it is. Go play Saurian if you want accurate Dinosaurs. Now i ask you how big ist the Giganotosaurus Carolini?

 

[Beydhi]

People should remember that in humans, sizes commonly vary by ~15%, significantly more if we include gender dimorphism, and that's in no way unique to humans. Also, zoo animals typically grow larger than their wild counterparts, because they are fed better. Claiming that Giganotosaurus should be 20cm longer than T-Rex for "scientific accuracy" is from my point of view pretty ridiculous, especially in a game where not even the Dromaeosaurids and Ornithomimids have feathers...

That being said, Giganotosaurus is not just a little bit smaller than the T-Rex, it's much smaller. And considering that Giganotosaurus is beloved because it was big, Frontier should have known that this is problematic. Not so much because of lack of accuracy, but because of the emotional connection people have to it and its size. If it was about scientific accuracy, people other than me* would be annoyed about the herbivores as well, but noone likes Chasmosaurus because it was half the length of Triceratops, so nobody is annoyed that it's almost the same size in the game...

*To be clear, I'm not so much annoyed by lack of accuracy as I am by unnecessary lack of diversity.

Thats a good point here. But i guess frontiers do not care that much about the giga being big. Or do they ? We will see if it's "fixed"

 

[paleostudent]

Was expecting that, having an hangover i'll try to explain my point that you clearly missed here,

my point that is : this is how it's supposed to be, the T-rex of JW (evolution) is made bigger than the others t-rex of JP and rexy too. and when you see the sizes :5m for the T-rex. That's the tallest of all the theropods in the game. They wanted to make the t-rex more impressive. That's clearly favoritism but we souldn't care that much. T-rex is taller the spino is 15m he is longer than the t-rex.Plus when in read some posts of paleo student that says that the giga was maybe smaller than the T-rex, then maybe it's true. I believed that was the opposite but well there is not a lot of giganotosaurus fossils so...thats only speculations.

Look, thoses are the creatures of Universal studios.
Being a fan of the JP3 spinosaurus, i can say that they made him a legit No3 in term of size. And for the ceratosaurus he is like in JP3 movie too. The indominus is the right size because rexy is smaller than the JWE T-rex. My hypothesis is that They pumped the T-rex in JWE like the indominus was to be "bigger than the T-rex" yep, a T-rex bigger than the t-rex.
All right,
See ya

Of course Trex is Favourite its the Promotion of everything with Dinosaurs related. simple fact JP was a really huge deal in 1993 e really big DEAL. The Cgi was the best of its time! And very impressive its still pretty good if you ask me . In the lost wolrd also. Absolutely amzaing for 1997.
Did you saw Jurassic World T.Rex is just the Star over and out. What so difficulty to understand about that . Jurassic Park made the Dinosaurs famous in the first place !! And even in paelontology after the movie dozens of people wanted to study that.

 

[paleostudent]

Thats a good point here. But i guess frontiers do not care that much about the giga being big. Or do they ? We will see if it's "fixed"

It would bve ressorces for nothing imo. The size will not bring anything to the game that is important.

 

[paleostudent]

@m2wester
There are many size issues in game. I'm a fan of Giganotosaurus and I was very excited when i knew that it would be in game.
But the more excited i was, the more disappointed I got when I first saw it.
If Giganotosaurus was just a little bit smaller than the T-Rex, I would be fine. But what I saw? Where is the giant southern lizard? I call it is Tinynotosaurus!

tiny? compare it to a guest then you see how tiny it is sarcasm out.

 

[Shadowear1991]

People should remember that in humans, sizes commonly vary by ~15%, significantly more if we include gender dimorphism, and that's in no way unique to humans. Also, zoo animals typically grow larger than their wild counterparts, because they are fed better. Claiming that Giganotosaurus should be 20cm longer than T-Rex for "scientific accuracy" is from my point of view pretty ridiculous, especially in a game where not even the Dromaeosaurids and Ornithomimids have feathers...

That being said, Giganotosaurus is not just a little bit smaller than the T-Rex, it's much smaller. And considering that Giganotosaurus is beloved because it was big, Frontier should have known that this is problematic. Not so much because of lack of accuracy, but because of the emotional connection people have to it and its size. If it was about scientific accuracy, people other than me* would be annoyed about the herbivores as well, but noone likes Chasmosaurus because it was half the length of Triceratops, so nobody is annoyed that it's almost the same size in the game...

*To be clear, I'm not so much annoyed by lack of accuracy as I am by unnecessary lack of diversity.

I like the first point you’ve made, but people have also got to realise that it’s not only a single species in a zoo that gets slightly bigger than its wild counterparts so the fact that you said a Giga being Bigger in a zoo setting is ridiculous? When in the wild it would be? I know you go on to defend the reading why GIga should be bigger but you no Lions and Tigers inside or out side of the zoo Tigers will always be bigger.

Also universal tried raptors with quills in JP3 but it go slammed due to being at the hight of the did dinos have feathers argument... so they’ll likely never have them due to that exact reason

Chasmosaurus it’s just one of many miss represented herbivores and this is another point, some of the small dinosaurs they balloon and then you get Spino and GIga did both these get mistreated in the hatchery? The fact that Ian Malcolm states what he does when you first hatch a Giga just makes it even more of a cringe to have its like going to a zoo with a tour guide and them telling you next up we have the African bush elephant the largest terrestrial mammal alive and when you get round the corner they’re all pugs wearing costumes.

 

[Shadowear1991]

Was expecting that, having an hangover i'll try to explain my point that you clearly missed here,

my point that is : this is how it's supposed to be, the T-rex of JW (evolution) is made bigger than the others t-rex of JP and rexy too. and when you see the sizes :5m for the T-rex. That's the tallest of all the theropods in the game. They wanted to make the t-rex more impressive. That's clearly favoritism but we souldn't care that much. T-rex is taller the spino is 15m he is longer than the t-rex.Plus when in read some posts of paleo student that says that the giga was maybe smaller than the T-rex, then maybe it's true. I believed that was the opposite but well there is not a lot of giganotosaurus fossils so...thats only speculations.

Look, thoses are the creatures of Universal studios.
Being a fan of the JP3 spinosaurus, i can say that they made him a legit No3 in term of size. And for the ceratosaurus he is like in JP3 movie too. The indominus is the right size because rexy is smaller than the JWE T-rex. My hypothesis is that They pumped the T-rex in JWE like the indominus was to be "bigger than the T-rex" yep, a T-rex bigger than the t-rex.
All right,
See ya

I might add I didn’t miss your point I did say that I feel like the fact T-Rex is so large makes it all the more boring and underwhelming like I generally make parks that exclude the T-Rex and Ceratosaurus because of the stupidity part of what make a T-Rex so much fun is that yes there are bigger theropods out there but it’s common knowledge now that T-Rex would of made mince meat out of any of them and that fact makes T-Rex all more fun to behold within your park, however what we have is a dinosaur in game that is unnecessarily enlarged just for him to seem cooler when it does the opposite for me..

 

[impcaeaug]

I dislike when people use the JW movie size of Rexy, since we could technically apply that to the Spinosaurus. (if they ever make the JP3 one ever appear again)
Because, it's not impossible to think that like Rexy, the JP3 Spinosaurus has grown bigger and large than what his/her's size was in JP3.

 

[paleostudent]

I dislike when people use the JW movie size of Rexy, since we could technically apply that to the Spinosaurus. (if they ever make the JP3 one ever appear again)
Because, it's not impossible to think that like Rexy, the JP3 Spinosaurus has grown bigger and large than the movie....

omg......

 

[Shadowear1991]

Lol no one bothered my post they just still continue with wrong infos ........

Giga is not longer then a rex we never found one. Cerato is not to big its simply the biger species that exists. Spino is very accurate jp3 like. Rex is oversized in JP so in the game too wh8ich is absolutely fine.

you guys should relly stop talking about stuff you dont know aynthing about. I will disprove any beliefs you ´´heard´´. The only thing that matters are published papers.

so again Biggest trex 12.4m heres no Giga that is longer then this........its a myth that its bigger because of a jaw fragment but its not true untill we find an actual bigger fossil.

Its based of a movie/book. No one cares really its a minority of kids because size will not add any gameplay relevant thing think about it. You are simply taking away ressources from frontier if you want to make them again for literally nothing since as i said it will bring nothing to the game itself let tzhem concentrate on more important things please.


No show me the giga so i can disprove you with officially published stuff and not internet made up nonsense.

Here watch this video... it’s towards the end.. he talks about Giganotosaurus so I’m sure you’ll find it intresting

https://youtu.be/f-jD7kQvyPs

 

[kjasnksir]

Amazing that people still post theese "Rexy is bigger in JW" and "Rex is bigger than Spino" nonsense. 40 feet is the most consistent size for Rexy, even considering the sources from JW onwards. And count how many feet long the Spinosaurus actually is in the JP3 size chart. It's 46 feet long.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0PK7OiW-gOc/TklEyxSdsuI/AAAAAAAAZlI/0i3m3uPK968/s1600/IMGP0013.JPG

 

[paleostudent]

Here watch this video... it’s towards the end.. he talks about Giganotosaurus so I’m sure you’ll find it intresting

https://youtu.be/f-jD7kQvyPs

Show me something that i dont already knew and that is not outdated. btw only because one Paleo says it its not a fact or whatever. Or should i bring up Jack horner theories. I see only that what i said.

 

[micryda]

frontier should just release a small free size dlc so no one can complain

 

[Grimnir]

Show me something that i dont already knew and that is not outdated. btw only because one Paleo says it its not a fact or whatever. Or should i bring up Jack horner theories. I see only that what i said.

That cheeky attitude of "I know everything and you are wrong at everything" is precisely why nobody will listen to you. Also you've got some funny opinions.

 

[paleostudent]

frontier should just release a small free size dlc so no one can complain

No they simply should say we arent allowed due to Universal done! So they can concentrate on way better stuff like Marine Dlc or whatever they have on their roadplan. (cant wait for the mosasaurus size debate with kids: but it was 25 meters in the film!!!!!) lol

 

[paleostudent]

That cheeky attitude of "I know everything and you are wrong at everything" is precisely why nobody will listen to you. Also you've got some funny opinions.

Its not my opinions(since when does opinions count in a debate about size? either its proven or not unbelievable. And yes not all but most of the threadposters here are wrong as i said i can prove it with published papers. I say it one more time theres no Giga thats bigger then trex Sue. So its false to say giga should be bigger. Its that easy. Not to mention(again) we are talking about movie based creatures not even the real ones.....which is even more laughable but okay if you dont want to know the real sizes of these craetures then go ahead and belive what you want while i present you the 100% facts if needed as you can search for them too since you have internet. Just be sure its not outdated and officially published. If not have fun with giga being bigger which is nonsense lol. Trex is the larger animal thats a fact in height,weight and thats out of question. But if you cant belive published facts from paloes then i can assume im discussing with children in their dremlands which is totally fine just stop spreading false informations please. ´´opinions´´ thanks for that laugh dude theres no opionion in such discussions only facts. Since we are talking about known facts not huch we foun a specimen 70% and its likely 11 m because of.........and so on. Hope you get it cheers

 

[Shadowear1991]

Show me something that i dont already knew and that is not outdated. btw only because one Paleo says it its not a fact or whatever. Or should i bring up Jack horner theories. I see only that what i said.

It was posted less than a year ago? How is out dated? Show me something more up to date then? And whilst your at it go for it go link some of jack horners stuff, you realise most palaeontologists ridicule the man but go for it

I love people who claim to be something they’re not..