You do realise that the body responsible for GERS is the SNP-led Scottish Government, right?
So, either you're wrong or the group now calling for a second referendum is utterly incompetent.
General / Off-Topic The SNP is wrong. There has been no material change in circumstances.
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You do realise that the body responsible for GERS is the SNP-led Scottish Government, right?
So, either you're wrong or the group now calling for a second referendum is utterly incompetent.
Dear God man, get over yourself. 'Land of milk and haggis', a pun on 'land of milk and honey'? That is offensive to you? Derogatory even? Really? You're incapable of having a 'sensible conversation' with someone if they throw in a pun?
I'm all for calling out genuine, idealogically-founded bigotry but I do think you're being a trifle over-sensitive here. In fact forget a trifle, you're having the entire desert trolley.
That's because you're not a massive mate. No hang on, you are a massive . Sense of humour, that's it.
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In recent times I have driven up and around the North of Ireland and across part of the West of Scotland, it was my first time in Scotland and probably 20 yrs or so since I was in the North. I was struck by how both places looked like Ireland 25-30 yrs past. The North is light years behind the rest of Ireland and the west of Scotland looked a good deal worse off than Ireland. The infrastructure of both places looked tired in comparison to Ireland, which despite having endured the recession of 2008 seems much more vibrant and modern. The North is an abject failure of British policy both economic and otherwise in Ireland, and I thank God for those who cut us free from Britain when they did, otherwise we would still be a backwater like the North, Scotland I feel is definitely being held back as part of the UK and this I believe will only worsen after Brexit.
From what I have seen Scotland has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
From what I have seen Scotland has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Aside from "Leg-gate", I see the Scottish parliament will vote on the motion to request the referendum today (which will, in all likelihood pass).
Someone (Javert, I think) was asking if the Scottish parliament had the legal powers to hold their own referendum. According to analysis on BBC Radio Scotland, the answer to that is yes. What they can't do is legally force constitutional change (as that is reserved to Westminster and needs specific dispensation to be passed to the devolved parliaments).
Same analysis points out that any attempt by the government to hold said "informal" referendum could be challenged in court before it gets off the ground.
Someone (Javert, I think) was asking if the Scottish parliament had the legal powers to hold their own referendum. According to analysis on BBC Radio Scotland, the answer to that is yes. What they can't do is legally force constitutional change (as that is reserved to Westminster and needs specific dispensation to be passed to the devolved parliaments).
Same analysis points out that any attempt by the government to hold said "informal" referendum could be challenged in court before it gets off the ground.
On a purely Legal matter Westminster is the one with the Final say.
A Binding Referendum can only be Signed by Westminster.
Question is if Scotland cares.
By International Laws. Scotland is an actual State which is Recognized as being there.
So if the People there demand Independence there is indeed the option for Scotlands Government to Ignore Westminster and declare their own Independence thus also moving Rights back to Scotland.
The only Option the UK would have to challenge that would be Military Power.
Which will work as neither EU nor others will Intervene with Military Power if they do it. But which would be Guaranteed to draw heavy Consequences from the EU and other States up to Embargoes. And which will be Guaranteed to lead to massive Rebellions and Civil War.
Can i declare independence from the rest of the UK?
I'll keep my job, but i govern my own country of CosmicSpacehead Land.
I'll make my own laws. Pay my own taxes.
Maybe invade the neighbourhood.
What could possibly go wrong?
I'll keep my job, but i govern my own country of CosmicSpacehead Land.
I'll make my own laws. Pay my own taxes.
Maybe invade the neighbourhood.
What could possibly go wrong?
The neighbourhood could beat your butt to pulp?
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I'd start by seeing if you can find this on iPlayer - http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/09_september/02/country.shtml
You could always move to Sealand. It has a population of 27ish, so you could possibly take over and become king.
http://www.sealandgov.org/about/
They even have their own national anthem.
Without meaning to sound inflammatory; exactly who recognises Scotland as a distinct state? The EU doesn't. Nor does NATO or the WTO. Not the UN. You see my point?
I know that a lot of people like to portray Scotland as some sort of oppressed, occupied territory, but it really isn't!
The rest of your post is a bit silly. It would be like Bavaria unilaterally declaring it's independence from the German state (a former monarchy which has been politically unified with it's host for far less time than Scotland has been part of the UK) and then talking about the German army having to move in. It's daft.
Would you have used the same argument for Ireland in 1918/19?
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Different, less civilised times - so I don't know (and aren't familiar enough with that history). But I take your point.
Cornwall has been trying to gain independence for ages.
It's just that no one (not even the Cornish) cares.
They even have their own currency. The Cornish Wren.
When i moved away from Cornwall, 3 years ago, exactly 1 shop accepted the Cornish Wren in my town. And within around 30 miles. Lol
No banks will give you a Cornish Wren.
I wonder how that's going...
It's just that no one (not even the Cornish) cares.
They even have their own currency. The Cornish Wren.
When i moved away from Cornwall, 3 years ago, exactly 1 shop accepted the Cornish Wren in my town. And within around 30 miles. Lol
No banks will give you a Cornish Wren.
I wonder how that's going...
It's not comparable, really. Cornwall is an English county, whereas Scotland is a country in a political union with England (et al).
ETA I'm not diminishing any Cornish desire for independence, and I love Cornwall and it's distinctiveness and language. It's just not comparing apples with apples when talking about the Cornish and Scottish situations.
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Not well since they're losing their EU subsidy....
Which is a real shame. It's a remarkably lovely place, and as a biologist I loved the Eden Project.
I used to live near there. Heh
I visited quite often. Especially in the winter when all the annoying tourists left us alone!
(And for the ice skating
).Unfortunately, Cornwall is a hopeless place to try and live, if you're not already loaded.
I feel sorry for anyone growing up there now. I considered myself lucky to get a full time (36.5hrs) permanent job working at Tesco, 15~ years ago. Lol
Most jobs theses days are care workers, or seasonal part time staff for 4 hours a week for 12 weeks. Lol
I used to live near there. Heh
I visited quite often. Especially in the winter when all the annoying tourists left us alone!
(And for the ice skating
Unfortunately, Cornwall is a hopeless place to try and live, if you're not already loaded.
I feel sorry for anyone growing up there now. I considered myself lucky to get a full time (36.5hrs) permanent job working at Tesco, 15~ years ago. Lol
Most jobs theses days are care workers, or seasonal part time staff for 4 hours a week for 12 weeks. Lol
Sounds like the area has been neglected badly by the government. Losing the EU development fund subsidies is going to hit hard
Nah, Cornwall is just so far behind, i think they're just feeling the recession from all those years ago.Sounds like the area has been neglected badly by the government. Losing the EU development fund subsidies is going to hit hard
Joking aside, Cornwalls problems began when they started charging more for everything than London does. Lol
Insanely high house prices, which are then brought by rich people as second homes, which in turn leaves entire villages as ghost towns out of season.
My girlfriend grew up in Polzeath, and watched it go from a quiet seaside village, to holiday resort. She even lived in one of the oldest houses in Polzeath (300-400 years). When they moved out, someone brought it, tore it down without permission (no one cares), and built luxury holiday apartments that cost about the same as a flat in central London.
The locals that are left are stuck with inflated "seaside resort" prices you'd expect in an actual seaside town. No where to park for 6 months of the year, and endless tourists trashing the beaches.
And that's why i moved. Lol