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At that point, a health and safety intervention was needed.
The shared is Elite's greatest hubris. You know what happens afterwards...
Nice post...
You know, I kind of like the Cobra Mk IV, but then maybe I'm strange.
Lots of compartments to put things like SRV's in and so on. Yeah, not exactly fast, but I think I'll buy one in the main game. Why not. It was the first ship I landed on a planet in ED.Fly safe CMDR, and if you're having fun, then you are doing it right, unlike, one must presume, the others...
Nice post...
You know, I kind of like the Cobra Mk IV, but then maybe I'm strange.
Fly safe CMDR, and if you're having fun, then you are doing it right, unlike, one must presume, the others...
I am so confused right now because I literally didn't know there were two models. Sigh.
Of the Cobra?
Yep. Never knew. Hoping I don't have the "bad" one.
The Mk IV comes out with Horizons. Some people don't seem to like it, as it's slower than the Mk III. Me, I kind of like flying it... Haven't done much else in it except land on a few planets.
I guess some people don't get that none of the ships in Elite should be perfect, they all have a compromise...
Should point out that I'm in no way having a dig at the guy whose post I originally replied to.
At that point, a health and safety intervention was needed.
The shared is Elite's greatest hubris. You know what happens afterwards...
I disagree that is is a hubris.. it allows all playstyles to effect the universe.. it is actually a great thing.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
As others have pointed out, the three game modes, i.e. Solo, Private Groups and Open have existed in the game design from the outset. Here's a link to the FAQ thread on these very forums from the start of the Kickstarter - note the sections on single player and multi-player....
If the groups were merged, how would you stop players tweaking their routers to stop themselves meeting anyone else?
You have two options. A: Suggest a workable solution to this issue, or B: Accept that you won't be able to see everyone.
Pick one option only.
Cheers, Phos.
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Once again, people love to twist and manipulate words on a forum... to see insults where there was nothing but truth being told. It is what it is, every forum has those kind of people. I never said in the first place that SOLO was a WRONG way to play, or GROUP for that matter, my view was that if you want to play by yourself, then do so, just don't affect my game. If you only want to play with your friends, then you should do so, but don't affect my game. SOLO and GROUP modes should not have any bearing whatsoever on OPEN mode (that is my opinion and a shared one by many who originally started these threads but got tired of listening to SOLO and GROUP players whine about how being treated differently because they don't want to interact with people on an ONLINE MULTIPLAYER GAME ( I mean seriously that makes sense to you; "I'm going to go and play an online multiplayer game, but nope, I'm never interacting with anyone else... nope not me....")).... If you don't want to play with other people, then don't, but you should not be able to undermine me or anyone else that is having to defend themselves in OPEN play. You should be in your own little world, exactly where you want to be ALL BY YOURSELF, or with your friends, only affecting yourself or each other. It still surprises me that a group of people that are so adamant about not wanting to interact with other people in this game, are the ones crying the most about being separated and put in their own little world..... I mean isn't that what you want, to be left alone, to be by yourselves or with just your friends..... That would solve all your issues, no more putting up with the big bad PvPers and Pirates and whatever else it is you don't want to interact with.... I mean honestly, they could just move all of you to a separate server and it's not like you would even realize it. You could have your own powerplay, and do your own thing without ever having to deal with other people, and we wouldn't have to worry that our hard work in the game is being undermined by someone we can't stop, because he's invisible to us.
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Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
While you are of the opinion that Open should not be affected by the other modes, you should read the game design elements that Frontier published over three years ago, specifically:
From the outset, the game has been designed around the principle that every player experiences and affects a single shared galaxy state.
Dear Red Neck,
I play Solo because my hardware is at minimum spec and the interaction with another player turns E: D in to a slide show. It is one of the reasons Solo exists (including for those who have limited bandwidth or a poor internet connection.)
Now, I enjoy playing WITH people... and was for a while with the AEDC. Working in together, we turned many system to the Alliance. We had a common goal and I got to meet and make friends and be a part of the group, despite the limitations. I played in Solo, they played in Open. Together, on this Online Multiplayer Game, I was able to make a difference. Thank you FDev for making that possible.
No thank you, Red Neck, for your suggestion that would cut me from being part of that interaction.
Oh, and by the way, in order for your game being undermined by someone you can't stop, please pick the other 31 people who you would like to see in your instance so that you could stop them... and ensure that they don't play on the XBone, as you will never see them, or have Horizons, if you are playing season 1, because they can go to the planet surface and you can't... You see, even if I did play in Open (PC, by the way) you have zilch guarantee that the match making servers would put us together anyway, even if we both played in Open.
Gosh I am tired of people who don't think their arguments through and talk about how I shouldn't affect their game. I mean, why so selfish? You affect my game (when I play in Solo and you in Open) so why not the other way round?
Do you not remember that SOLO was also supposed to be OFFLINE, where you wouldn't need a connection to play? The current version, or the one you are talking about, was after they made the change to require an internet connection to play all modes. It would have been much better in my opinion, if they had kept the SOLO mode offline, so these people could go play by themselves, just my opinion.... but nevertheless it would cause alot less headache
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
From the same FAQ:
Note particularly the statement "The above is the intended single player experience", relating to the online Solo mode when talking about the later introduction of solo-offline. Simply put, solo online "is the intended single player experience" and has been since the outset of the Kickstarter.
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With all the insults you used, with words I won't repeat, about solo and group players themselves.. you clearly stated that the way they play was the wrong way to play according to you. You can claim I am twisting all you want to try to deflect and make yourself the victim, but you and you alone wrote those words that emphasised that those that did not play in open were of a lesser caliber, underhanded, and of a questionable moral character whilst also lacking a backbone.
Here is something you don't comprehend.. even playing in solo.. a person is playing multi player, they affect the BGS. Just because they cannot seem some or all of the people online does not lessen the fact that they are still playing and contributing to multi player.
And you claim that solo and group players are the ones who are whining, the ones who have the issues. Yet go through the entire SOG mega threads.. All three of them.. who are the ones that whine the most and demand change... here is a clue.. it is NOT Solo or Group players again you try to deflect from your own whining to make yourself and PVPers seem like the victims... far from it.
Heck next you will want to ban all explorers because they found a planet and got their name on it and you never saw them do it..
DEAR antony... I am sorry you have a slow PC, been there done that, built a new one.... As far as my opinion goes, I am happy that you made friends, and that you play together, I personally believe that is a good thing, I also enjoy playing with other people online, as far as my argument goes, I thought it through very thoroughly.... I gave a very creative solution... Now, lets poke some holes in yours....
other 31 people.....the only people in there were the few that ran, combat logged and were never seen from again, and the rest of the crew I was flying with, which included people working together over multiple time zones for pretty much the entire week.....
The XBox version wasn't released when all this happened.... so there goes that...
Horizons wasn;t out yet either so nothing there....
Gosh I hate it when people don;t read the previous posts and get their facts straight before posting.... don't you hate that?
other 31 people.....the only people in there were the few that ran, combat logged and were never seen from again, and the rest of the crew I was flying with, which included people working together over multiple time zones for pretty much the entire week.....
The XBox version wasn't released when all this happened.... so there goes that...
Horizons wasn;t out yet either so nothing there....
Gosh I hate it when people don;t read the previous posts and get their facts straight before posting.... don't you hate that?
I do. But then your proposal is not about the past, it is about what you would like to see going forward, is that not true?
Instancing means that there is no guarantee that you see anyone in open anyway - add to that all the different editions and other platforms, and even with everyone playing in Open, the maximum number of people you can see at any one time is 31 other people under optimum conditions. You argue that you think it unfair that someone affects your game when you cannot stop them. With the way the game works, even if everyone played in Open, you only have a very small % chance of meeting them in SC or Normal Space. So even in a pure Open environment people are affecting your game and you cannot stop them.
So to argue that changing the way the modes work based on your argument of "I can't stop them" is illogical, because for over 99.9%* of the time, you cannot anyway, even if they played in Open.
(*99.9% based on an assumed playerbase of x00,000 with an maximum instancing of 32 players, and assuming that everyone played at the same time giving the maximum chance that you would meet them, rounded to one decimal point.)
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I am sure you will be willing to buy him a new PC .. I mean telling someone to "just build a new one" is rather arrogant.
32 people is the hard cap for seeing.. but usually the max is 16 if that.. so while you and your "crew" were flying.. others flying in Open, Solo, and Group all came through your system...
And your little baiting barb about not reading previous posts.. pretty arrogant as well for you to say since it is clear you haven't either.. and people claim I'm passive aggressive sometimes.. sheesh.
Dude, you really need to quit making things up... I never insulted anyone.... if you felt you were insulted I apologize that your reasoning ability made you think that you were...
As far as the whole someone playing in SOLO they are also playing in Multiplayer line, that was good, I mean seriously ...... waiiiiiittt you were joking there weren't you... I mean playing by yourself but your still playing multiplayer.... that was a joke right?
That is the problem isn't it.... if they want to play by themselves let them go play by themselves... like really by themselves, where they only affect themsleves.... it's simple...
And yea, I think OPEN explorers should name worlds on an OPEN server, and SOLO/GROUP explorers should be on their own blade... you hit the nail right on the head.... Gold star?
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Should I have said, been there done that, worked my butt off, earned some money, bought new PC parts, built new PC... would that have been better? I wasn't being arrogant at all, just blunt....
Yes, there were enough of us for multiple instances to be open, and other than the cowards that combat logged and dissappeared we saw no one, else, and if that is an instancing problem, it is still a problem when you are actively trying to stop someone and you can;t even though your instance isn't full....
That was actually more facetious than anything.... seeming as it was actively aggressive in an overtone manner, but jokingly so....
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