Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Jockey79]

Actually, the risk in Open isn't inherent, as it may never happen, and can be avoided. It's too much of a contradiction to say it may never happen but it is definitely there, but that is a digression.

There is more risk in the Mobius group than in the Open group.
As Majinvash so clearly pointed out, when he joined the group and went on a player killing spree.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=145309&page=493&p=2504305&viewfull=1#post2504305

Yay a Mobius..

Why not read my entire post and use the content as the basis of your reply. Not a part to QQ about the time I injected a little excitement into your group.

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People are less inclined to react to another player in the Mobius group, so that puts them at even more risk than open group players - who by default are more aware of other players around them.

 

[Jesse Blue]

Actually, the risk in Open isn't inherent, as it may never happen, and can be avoided. It's too much of a contradiction to say it may never happen but it is definitely there, but that is a digression.

How exactly do I affect your play style? Regardless of the risks I choose to face, and they are there in modes other than Open, how does that affect you in any way, as we are not competing against one another, not directly, not indirectly.

Insurance companies are pointless then?. They base on the same premise... The insured event may happen or not, but the risk is definitely there. That's the whole point of an insurance contract. The given risk is also quantifiable.
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And how can you affect my playstyle? Very easily. let's take a trading example. You and I discover the same profitable route. You play in solo, I play in open. While I have to deal with human pirates & psychos who can delay my trading, or worse, destroying my ship with the cargo, you are free to move unmolested with as many cargo as you wish. From 'my universe' I can only watch how the trading route degrades in price and how there's is less and less cargo available in the supply, simply because you are taking it as a ghost, safe in your 'solo universe' from the same players that are threatening me. Furthermore, you don't have to invest in better shields or thrusters, reducing your cargo capacity or your trading performance, because you know perfectly that you'll be able to escape from any NPC interdiction. However, the supply of cargo is the same for you and me, and I can find that you exhausted the route while I was fighting for my life.

 

[Robert Maynard]

And how can you affect my playstyle? Very easily. let's take a trading example. You and I discover the same profitable rute. You play in solo, I play in open. While I have to deal with human pirates & psychos who can delay my trading, or worse, destroying my ship with the cargo, you are free to move unmolested with as many cargo as you wish. From 'my universe' I can only watch how the trading route degrades in price and how there's is less and less cargo available in the supply, simply because you are taking it as a ghost, safe in your 'solo universe' from the same players that are threatening me.

Having traded almost exclusively in Open recently, it is, in my experience, no riskier than Solo - I have not been interdicted by a player in quite some time and have not lost a ship in even longer.

If you *choose* to trade on a route that is popular with pirates, that too, along with your chosen mode, is your choice - no-one else makes that choice for you.

 

[Tuub t Tute]

We've been round this sub-loop a few times.

The fun bit is when it gets nuanced to "Okay, so I can farm my easy solo credits to get my battle Conda and then come into Open and PK all those hard core Open guys struggling to make a crust in the unrelenting misery of Open?..."

"Oh, no that would be unfair, the modes need to be separated to stop that kind of underhand behaviour"

"FDev have repeatedly stated mode switching is inviolate and will never be removed..."

"But, but, but, I can't compete in CG or PP against solo guys, so they cannot be allowed to affect my BGS, we need separate BGS..."

"Fdev have repeatedly stated it is the same BGS across all modes and also for Mac, XBoxOne and any other platforms that come after"

"This game is terrible, SC will kill it"

"SC also have a PvP willingness slider and even private servers...."

"You are all white knights and really boring"

"Mmmmmm Bacon!"

etc

 

[Jockey79]

....
And how can you affect my playstyle? Very easily. let's take a trading example. You and I discover the same profitable rute. You play in solo, I play in open. While I have to deal with human pirates & psychos who can delay my trading, or worse, destroying my ship with the cargo, you are free to move unmolested with as many cargo as you wish. From 'my universe' I can only watch how the trading route degrades in price and how there's is less and less cargo available in the supply, simply because you are taking it as a ghost, safe in your 'solo universe' from the same players that are threatening me. Furthermore, you don't have to invest in better shields or thrusters, reducing your cargo capacity or your trading performance, because you know perfectly that you'll be able to escape from any NPC interdiction. However, the supply of cargo is the same for you and me, and I can find that you exhausted the route while I was fighting for my life.

For a start, what about open players in other instances of that space?
What about open players who play at off peak times? They see way less traffic than you do for the same system, so they have less chance of meeting a pirate.

What about the pirates you slip past due to YOUR connection not being good enough to connect to them - so the matchmaker drops you in another instance to them?

 

[Roybe]

We've been round this sub-loop a few times.

The fun bit is when it gets nuanced to "Okay, so I can farm my easy solo credits to get my battle Conda and then come into Open and PK all those hard core Open guys struggling to make a crust in the unrelenting misery of Open?..."

"Oh, no that would be unfair, the modes need to be separated to stop that kind of underhand behaviour"

"FDev have repeatedly stated mode switching is inviolate and will never be removed..."

"But, but, but, I can't compete in CG or PP against solo guys, so they cannot be allowed to affect my BGS, we need separate BGS..."

"Fdev have repeatedly stated it is the same BGS across all modes and also for Mac, XBoxOne and any other platforms that come after"

"This game is terrible, SC will kill it"

"SC also have a PvP willingness slider and even private servers...."

"You are all white knights and really boring"

"Mmmmmm Bacon!"

etc

And now for the obligatory food smexiness ...and, yes, for my overseas friends, that IS a hot dog on a jelly donut covered in the most glorious of meat!

 

[Mouse]

Insurance companies are pointless then?. They base on the same premise... The insured event may happen or not, but the risk is definitely there. That's the whole point of an insurance contract. The given risk is also quantifiable.
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And how can you affect my playstyle? Very easily. let's take a trading example. You and I discover the same profitable rute. You play in solo, I play in open. While I have to deal with human pirates & psychos who can delay my trading, or worse, destroying my ship with the cargo, you are free to move unmolested with as many cargo as you wish. From 'my universe' I can only watch how the trading route degrades in price and how there's is less and less cargo available in the supply, simply because you are taking it as a ghost, safe in your 'solo universe' from the same players that are threatening me. Furthermore, you don't have to invest in better shields or thrusters, reducing your cargo capacity or your trading performance, because you know perfectly that you'll be able to escape from any NPC interdiction. However, the supply of cargo is the same for you and me, and I can find that you exhausted the route while I was fighting for my life.

You Two traders head for the same station, one takes a safer route, the other through another that is the same distantce yet is more dangerous. They get to the delivery and the one who took the most dangerous route argues that because of the risk they took the delivery should accept their cargo and pay more....I'm sorry your whole arguement is entitlement. You made choices, you chose the mode you play in. Yet you almost scream that it is unfair and that you should be rewarded more. To be blunt.. you are rewarded more. You are rewarded for your choice with the iteractions you get.


Oh and so you know.. I trade too.. with full sheilds and thrusters. The only thing I don't have is weapons because there is no way I could fight someone off.

 

[Jockey79]

And now for the obligatory food smexiness ...and, yes, for my overseas friends, that IS a hot dog on a jelly donut covered in the most glorious of meat!


http://www.trbimg.com/img-5500a97d/...d-you-eat-the-krispy-kreme-donut-dog-20150311

For the English (UK) people;

This is a Hot dog and Bacon inside a glazed Jam Doughnut.
(I can feel my arteries clogging just looking at that picture!)

 

[Mouse]

And now for the obligatory food smexiness ...and, yes, for my overseas friends, that IS a hot dog on a jelly donut covered in the most glorious of meat!


http://www.trbimg.com/img-5500a97d/...d-you-eat-the-krispy-kreme-donut-dog-20150311

where is that available?

 

[Cody]

Mmm... <heads for kitchen>

 

[Jesse Blue]

You Two traders head for the same station, one takes a safer route, the other through another that is the same distantce yet is more dangerous. They get to the delivery and the one who took the most dangerous route argues that because of the risk they took the delivery should accept their cargo and pay more....I'm sorry your whole arguement is entitlement. You made choices, you chose the mode you play in. Yet you almost scream that it is unfair and that you should be rewarded more. To be blunt.. you are rewarded more. You are rewarded for your choice with the iteractions you get.


Oh and so you know.. I trade too.. with full sheilds and thrusters. The only thing I don't have is weapons because there is no way I could fight someone off.

Oh, But that's not what's happening here.

Both of us are moving in the same route, however, for me, there are pirates... Whereas, for him there's no one to bother him. It is not a case of choosing a different route. The route is the same for both of us, as well as the supply of goods.
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In real life, when pirates are present in a given route, merchants demand more payment for assuming the risk of moving the cargo along it, right?

 

[Mouse]

Oh, But that's not what's happening here.

Both of us are moving in the same route, however, for me, there are pirates... Whereas, for him there's no one to bother him. It is not a case of choosing a different route. The route is the same for both of us, as well as the supply of goods.
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In real life, where pirates are present in a given route, merchants demand more payment for assuming the risk of moving the cargo, right?

You fully missed the point. One chose solo one chose open.. different routes.. yet the one who chose open (YOU) demand special treatment because you chose a route that you feel is inherently more dangerous.

 

[PhazonAran]

In real life, where pirates are present in a given route, merchants demand more payment for assuming the risk of moving the cargo, right?

Nah, they're engaging PMCs to protect them. Open players actually have it easier. They have Wings.

 

[Tuub t Tute]

Oh, But that's not what's happening here.


In real life, when pirates are present in a given route, merchants demand more payment for assuming the risk of moving the cargo along it, right?

In real life the shipping broker would say "We can have our goods hauled in perceived safety without having to pay any danger money. Run along and find a different shipping broker daft enough to pay you a premium for your potentially disastrous navigation choice..."

 

[Jesse Blue]

You fully missed the point. One chose solo one chose open.. different routes.. yet the one who chose open (YOU) demand special treatment because you chose a route that you feel is inherently more dangerous.

I didn't miss the point.
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First, I do not chose a route... I chose a Playstyle, which according to FD, should be as valid and right as other playstyles.
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Second, I do not 'feel' my playstyle is inherently more dangerous. My playstyle IS inherently more dangerous, as proven by the countless 'I flee to solo' tear threads that reproduce on a weeekly or daily basis.
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Third, I do not demand special treatment. I demand fair treatment. You are moving in the same Background simulation as me, affecting it like i would, but without suffering let's call it 'human risks'. That gives you an advantage I do not have. The absence of 'human risks' is quantifiable in better time/profit ratios, and no extra losings by being attacked by other human players. It is a fact that you will earn money more quickly, and progress faster by playing in solo than by playing in open. If anything, it is you who are recieving special treatment, not me.

 

[Jockey79]

.... I demand fair treatment. ....

You get fair treatment - you get treated the same as everyone else. Cannot get more fair than that.

And as you seem to like the whole risk / reward set up;

http://www.jobmonkey.com/uniquejobs/skydiving-instructor/
http://www.chess.com/article/view/how-much-is-the-world-chess-championship-worth

Sky Diving Instructor $30,000
Chess Master $1,250,000

(per annum, on average, for both).

Chess must be one heck of a risk !!!!

 

[Robert Maynard]

I didn't miss the point.
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First, I do not chose a route... I chose a Playstyle, which according to FD, should be as valid and right as other playstyles.
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Second, I do not 'feel' my playstyle is inherently more dangerous. My playstyle IS inherently more dangerous, as proven by the countless 'I flee to solo' tear threads that reproduce on a weeekly or daily basis.
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Third, I do not demand special treatment. I demand fair treatment. You are moving in the same Background simulation as me, affecting it like i would, but without suffering let's call it 'human risks'. That gives you an advantage I do not have. The absence of 'human risks' is quantifiable in better time/profit ratios, and no extra losings by being attacked by other human players. It is a fact that you will earn money more quickly, and progress faster by playing in solo than by playing in open. If anything, it is you who are recieving special treatment, not me.

So maybe all you really need is less loss when you are destroyed by another player who initiated the combat?

Maybe some optional cargo insurance as well....

I would expect that that would be not only more acceptable to those who don't see why any particular mode should be rewarded differently but would also only apply if risk was actually encountered, i.e. your ship was destroyed.

 

[Asp Explorer]

My playstyle IS inherently more dangerous, as proven by the countless 'I flee to solo' tear threads that reproduce on a weeekly or daily basis.

Your playstyle is exactly that - yours. Nobody elses. And nobody else cares.

Please Cody, may I borrow some of your <chortles>?

 

[Mouse]

I didn't miss the point.
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First, I do not chose a route... I chose a Playstyle, which according to FD, should be as valid and right as other playstyles.
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Second, I do not 'feel' my playstyle is inherently more dangerous. My playstyle IS inherently more dangerous, as proven by the countless 'I flee to solo' tear threads that reproduce on a weeekly or daily basis.
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Third, I do not demand special treatment. I demand fair treatment. You are moving in the same Background simulation as me, affecting it like i would, but without suffering let's call it 'human risks'. That gives you an advantage I do not have. The absence of 'human risks' is quantifiable in better time/profit ratios, and no extra losings by being attacked by other human players. It is a fact that you will earn money more quickly, and progress faster by playing in solo than by playing in open. If anything, it is you who are recieving special treatment, not me.

First off the route was an analogy for the modes..


Second off your playstyle is NOT more inherently dangerous. The only difference is unknown human interactions, which is not a danger, it is the reward you wanted.. that is why you CHOSE to play that mode.


Third.. you are blatantly demanding special treatment, because you already have fair treatment. Do you know what personal responsibility is? If you chose to do something a certain way, then you fully accept the possible outcomes. It comes back to my first analogy with the car and the motorcycle; you chose to ride the bike, why should the friend (aka FD if you didn't get it) have to give you preferential treatment?

 

[Jockey79]

I'm playing in Mobius - which has more risk, due to my guard being down,
I'm also drinking alcohol, so my reaction times (reflexes) are impaired.

I'm at so much risk right now !!!!!

Tell you what, just give me an A grade Anaconda and we can call it quits

(oh yea, @Mouse I'm off to that Hi RES again in my Viper, you're welcome to join if you are near by still)