Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

Do you want a Open PvE

  • Yes, I want a Open PvE

    Votes: 54 51.4%
  • No, I don't want a Open PvE

    Votes: 49 46.7%
  • I want only Open PvE and PvP only in groups

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Total voters
    105
  • Poll closed .
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OK, you don't seem to understand so we shall try it this way. You look at the mountian and decide to climb it for that 5k. Now you chose how you climb it. You could climb when no one else is around, or with friends, or when others are attempting to climb it, some will be helpful, some will try and cut your rope. No matter how you do it, the company is offering the 5k, but the CHOICE... there is that word you keep ignoring.. the CHOICE on HOW you climb the mountian is yours.
Interesting analogy but the climbers that would cut your rope would be punished, not much of that happening in ED hence the request for bounties and wanted ratings to be player specific.

As it stands yes you can play ED your way but you will put people off if there is no consequences for players who choose genocide as a way of life. No matter the mode you play the game is the same but there are more genocidal maniacs in open and I have yet to see NPC maniacs.
 
Interesting analogy but the climbers that would cut your rope would be punished, not much of that happening in ED hence the request for bounties and wanted ratings to be player specific.

As it stands yes you can play ED your way but you will put people off if there is no consequences for players who choose genocide as a way of life. No matter the mode you play the game is the same but there are more genocidal maniacs in open and I have yet to see NPC maniacs.

All npc pirates are genocidal maniacs, as they don't want cargo and just open fire right after they interdict you.
 
Interesting analogy but the climbers that would cut your rope would be punished, not much of that happening in ED hence the request for bounties and wanted ratings to be player specific.

As it stands yes you can play ED your way but you will put people off if there is no consequences for players who choose genocide as a way of life. No matter the mode you play the game is the same but there are more genocidal maniacs in open and I have yet to see NPC maniacs.


They are suffering their own consequences by driving people out of open then complaining about it.
 
All npc pirates are genocidal maniacs, as they don't want cargo and just open fire right after they interdict you.
I have had this some NPCs have interdicted me then flown away

They are suffering their own consequences by driving people out of open then complaining about it.
But then surely that makes open less appealing for all normal players, I would play in open but stuttering massively increased and the blast everything in sight party keeps me in groups.
 
Stick an optional PVP flag on players and then merge open with closed. People can then chat and PVP if they want to.

I'm sure that will upset pirates but I don't care about pirates and I don't suppose they care about care bears like me who have no interest in PVP. Not everything in life can be resolved by discussion and meeting in the middle. Sometimes you have to take a decision and have winner and losers
 
Stick an optional PVP flag on players and then merge open with closed. People can then chat and PVP if they want to.

I'm sure that will upset pirates but I don't care about pirates and I don't suppose they care about care bears like me who have no interest in PVP. Not everything in life can be resolved by discussion and meeting in the middle. Sometimes you have to take a decision and have winner and losers


It would be easier and more understandable if they just did away with friendly fire between all player characters.
 
They are suffering their own consequences by driving people out of open then complaining about it.

Exactly. The more of the "I demandz pew-pew coz I is Dr3AD PIARET an U noobz must f34R my pew-pew!" kind that make Open an unpleasant place to be for some people, the more those people will go "I'm here to play Elite the way I want to play it and enjoy my gametime, and being seal-clubbed by inarticulate imbeciles isn't my idea of fun." then they will find other ways to enjoy their game.

Wether that is winging up in Open, playing in Group or Solo, or lulzbanning pew-pews is entirely up to them - and you have no say in the matter at all. You can't exactly threaten or dictate to people who have what you want when they have all the aces. You want to interact with them, and if your interactions with them are unpleasant - they will choose to not play with you - and there is absolutely Fat Agnus you can do about it.
 
I have had this some NPCs have interdicted me then flown away


But then surely that makes open less appealing for all normal players, I would play in open but stuttering massively increased and the blast everything in sight party keeps me in groups.


Which is the consequences i spoke of. FD made the mods fair, some argue that it isn't and Open is suffering for it, yet they don't look as to the reason why it is as they feel it is. It has nothing to do with FD, but with certain type of players in open.
 
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Wrong on all counts. The problem is that with PP/CG there's no way to "stop" anyone undermining you without you sitting there 24/7 doing the grind.
If everyone were in open then there's a good chance you can influence them by blasting them out of your sky - they would see the "risk" in trying to undermine you.

Now, talk about wanting the "Easy Button!!!"

They spend that "24/7" efforts undermining your system, which you could have spent equal amount of "24/7" efforts fortifying. But instead of that, you want an "Easy Button" of blowing them up in 5 minutes. Do you require a gold star to go with it?
 
Which is the consequences i spoke of. FD made the mods fair, some argue that it isn't and Open is suffering for it, yet they don't look as to the reason why it is as they feel it is. It has nothing to do with FD, but with certain type of players in open.

Yeah its the reason there has to be more punishment for maniacs. +1 rep :)
 
Exactly. The more of the "I demandz pew-pew coz I is Dr3AD PIARET an U noobz must f34R my pew-pew!" kind that make Open an unpleasant place to be for some people, the more those people will go "I'm here to play Elite the way I want to play it and enjoy my gametime, and being seal-clubbed by inarticulate imbeciles isn't my idea of fun." then they will find other ways to enjoy their game.

Wether that is winging up in Open, playing in Group or Solo, or lulzbanning pew-pews is entirely up to them - and you have no say in the matter at all. You can't exactly threaten or dictate to people who have what you want when they have all the aces. You want to interact with them, and if your interactions with them are unpleasant - they will choose to not play with you - and there is absolutely Fat Agnus you can do about it.

I do fear the PukePuke.
 
The fact that this topic is close to reaching 10.000 comments, (and it will) says something alone.

In my dearest, deepest, strongly suggested opinion.
The different modes... SHOULD. BE. SEPERATED. End of story.

Lol your logic fails however because the top 10% of posters all are defending the modes and switching that we all knowingly bought into..... If over 5000 posts are against separation then by your logic unless I am missing something THAT is the end of the story. ;)
 
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I still think FD is WRONG with their decisions on the matter. So yes, I perfectly know what FD said, and his intentions. I keep believing they are mistaken......


People liked the idea and backed it. The game was made with it and folks like it.
Just a handful of griefers and trolls seem to be upset that they cannot annoy people in game, which in my book is genius.
The only mistake made was by you, the game and its features have been known about since Kickstarter (as it was part of the sales pitch).
So, coming here and telling everyone else they are wrong and you are right will get you no where except put on peoples ignore lists.

Just because you do not like it, does not make it wrong. It just means it's not for you.
Star Citizen also has features to reduce the chance of seeing other players and will have private servers.
So I hope you didn't waste money there as well, as people can avoid you there also.

I'm happy to say, more and more games it seems are jumping on this bandwagon, giving the players the choice of who they play with.
It the best thing to happen to MMOs in my opinion.
 
I also get the feeling that some (not all) open mode players want a stupid medal to say "Look I am better than you, I play in open where there is more risk. You on the other hand are just wimps for playing solo".

This does appear to be behind the overall argument.


This isn't a game about who is the best. There aren't leaderboards to gloat over. This is a game about being a lone pilot in a Galaxy with over 400 million star systems blazing your own trail.


I think this is a root cause behind all the gambits. Those players cannot imagine an "endgame" condition; they desire leaderboards, special prizes/powerups and special treatment. ED has never been like that; DB & Frontier didn't design a game like that and it upsets those players. They want the game changed to include what they think the game should be, not what it is.

I feel sorry for those players. The game is all used up for them.
 
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Let's just call Solo/Private Group what it REALLY is: a Stealth Mode exploit.

This is so... I can't even


The problem is that with PP/CG there's no way to "stop" anyone undermining you without you sitting there 24/7 doiIf everyone were in open then there's a good chance you can influence them by blasting them out of your sky...


Again, you have the exact same mechanisms to counter a faction's actions as everyone does. It's been explained many times here that a blockade simply does not work because of the structure of the matchmaker and network. The same goes for "blasting them out of the sky." You're only going to see a tiny percentage of open players in your same instance. Dunno if you were here for the Lugh demonstration...

As Mouse said, ""There is no "your sky" it is everyones."


Problems solved! Open players get what they want...

It appears not, as they come here complaining that "open is a barren wasteland" because the majority have chosen a different mode to play.


But now that FDEV is a publicly-traded company, let's let their yearly financial reports speak to that, shall we?

Right there is your "meta-game," your orientation and your attitude exposed.


Again, people keep confusing personal satisfaction and self-fulfillment with rewards.;

I am not at all confused. You don't seem to understand the word "reward." Here is a helpful definition:


re·ward

(rĭ-wôrd′)n.1. A consequence that happens to someone as a result of worthy or unworthy behavior: the rewards of exercise; the rewards of lying to your boss.
2. Money offered or given for some special service, such as the return of a lost article or the capture of a criminal.
3. A satisfying return on investment; a profit.
4. Psychology- The return for performance of a desired behavior; positive reinforcement.

tr.v. re·ward·ed, re·ward·ing, re·wards To give a reward to or for.

[Middle English, from Anglo-Norman, from rewarder, to take notice of : re-, intensive pref. (from Latin; see warder in Indo-European roots)]


So now, let's add the missing reward component to your example. Now, a company pays 5k bucks to whoever reach the top of the mountain. Does it matter how you climb it? No, It only matters to reach the top and you can use whatever tools you see fit, or none at all. And the time matters? Neither, you can take as long as you wish to climb. And does it matters to be the first? No, Everyone who reach the top will get the 5k bucks.

This strangely seems like a great argument for the modes.


Welcome to the Solo vs Open debate.

Uh... I've been here for awhile. You're the new guy.


Oh don't forget that the usual rockhounds will tell you "Keep climbing solo-free dude, because you are not suffering more risks than us.... There is only risk if you fall out the mountain."

You appear to know nothing about rock climbing.


I still think FD is WRONG with their decisions on the matter. So yes, I perfectly know what FD said, and his intentions. I keep believing they are mistaken.

There is no "he" - FD is a company. DB is a person. Sales figures for ED support the conclusion that they are not mistaken.


I could say the same from solo players. They some (not all) have developed the attitude of a resented ex-girlfriend who now only wishes harm to his former boyfriend.


The problem with this post, as it is in many similar posts, is the jeering and condescending antagonism that reveals the inner player. It is also why so many people wouldn't care to play a game with you.


This is an atittude that frankly amuses me, for one simple reason: Let's say the 'clever' plan 'succeeds', and Open mode becomes a wasteland. What do you think will happen the morning that FD sees that out of 50.000 players connected, 49.600 are in solo/group and only 400 in open? Make a wild guess...


I'd hazard a guess that they'd think, "So, those noisy, aggressive players appear to have been wrong. People seem to enjoy solo/private group more than open. Let's keep the 3 modes as they are."



The problem will be probably exacerbated with the introduction of CQC, since the remaining players that stayed in Open for the legitimate PvP, will ultimately migrate to CQC, where they can find exactly what they want without the burdens of Open play.

And that's great for them! They get what they want; everybody wins.


But don't worry, we'll have another threadnought about "The unfair advantages of open players vs solo players".

Actually, the complaining seems to be mostly on the open side. Not only that, it's a small percentage of open players, not the bulk of them.



By all means keep encouraging people to leave Open for Solo, as it only accelerates the proccess. The more players bleed from one mode to the other, and the larger the gap between modes, the more evident and visible the problem will be, to ultimately reach a point in where FD can't longer keep their heads buried on the sand.

It's really posts like yours that encourage people to go into solo/group to avoid such players. And why would FD change a core feature of the game to please a minority of players in a single mode when it appears the majority (by a long shot) are quite happy playing and using the three modes?
 
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Is there a problem with solo? No.

Is there a problem with Private Groups? no.

Is there a problem with Open? No, but a small group want everyone to believe there is because they cannot accept the blame for their own actions.
 
Is there a problem with solo? No.

Is there a problem with Private Groups? no.

Is there a problem with Open? No, but a small group want everyone to believe there is because they cannot accept the blame for their own actions.

I'd +1 if I could.
 
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