Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

Do you want a Open PvE

  • Yes, I want a Open PvE

    Votes: 54 51.4%
  • No, I don't want a Open PvE

    Votes: 49 46.7%
  • I want only Open PvE and PvP only in groups

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Total voters
    105
  • Poll closed .
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Then why is it much better to play the game Solo at the moment? You receive all the rewards of Open play, except there is no danger, since almost everyone can defeat the biggest NPC ships with a meager Cobra.

Here you are right.
The only way to fix this is: Stop making Solo influence the universe of Open.


Here you are wrong.


The way to make this work is to wramp up challenge and difficulty in solo. AKA make AI better. Eliminate the 100% chance to run away EVERY interdiction. Make trading a CHALLENGE.
 
I play mostly solo, maybe my age, 45+ 😊. Why the hell does the fact that I and many others playing solo wind people up so much?

You play the same game, same features but like the interaction with real people, good for you but that is purely your view!

I love the game in solo and open but not having any mates into gaming then Wings is not particularly attractive to me .... I need to be 20 yr younger
 
I play mostly solo, maybe my age, 45+ . Why the hell does the fact that I and many others playing solo wind people up so much?

You play the same game, same features but like the interaction with real people, good for you but that is purely your view!

I love the game in solo and open but not having any mates into gaming then Wings is not particularly attractive to me .... I need to be 20 yr younger


im 44 and only play open, i never touched solo,
unless my internet connection had problems.

nothing to do with age ;)
 
Although my second point is basically my main point and the first point is a gripe: Solo players should definetaly not be crippled by this. They should just not be able to influence the economy and Powerplay. Heck, I don't even care if you switch from one to another, but everything you do in Solo, shouldn't influence the Open galaxy. So not the CGs (Yes, I know I will get backlash but they are called Community Goals, come on), not the Powerplay, not supply demand of stations and not the system turmoil/economic boom. If it's possible, it would be great if that data would just be saved for the Solo CMDRs individually.

Most people disagree.

On communication: I think FDEV does a great job. Just look at those 5000 dev posts in this forum. The problem is that most people don't read them. Almost all the information on planetary landings and prices has been available since 2013/2014 and still people act like crazy.
 
I play mostly solo, maybe my age, 45+ . Why the hell does the fact that I and many others playing solo wind people up so much?

You play the same game, same features but like the interaction with real people, good for you but that is purely your view!

I love the game in solo and open but not having any mates into gaming then Wings is not particularly attractive to me .... I need to be 20 yr younger

I have no problem at all with people playing Solo, all the power to them. But the problem is that Solo players and Open players influence the same galaxy. So a lot of Powerplay just doesn't work because a lot of powers agents just play in solo and there is no way to stop them. Also the same argument could be made when Open players would en masse drain the station that you mostly trade from in Solo. You wouldn't understand where all of your goods went while they were just there an hour ago.
It would just be much simpler for both groups if the universes were separated.

Most people disagree.

On communication: I think FDEV does a great job. Just look at those 5000 dev posts in this forum. The problem is that most people don't read them. Almost all the information on planetary landings and prices has been available since 2013/2014 and still people act like crazy.

I know that, but it's mostly about trust in FD. They didn't communicate properly about Powerplay, and when the beta came out they didn't want to fix the biggest gripes the testers had with it. So now even the most hardcore FD supporters just don't bother with something that probably cost FD a lot of time and money, just because they didn't want a couple of small things (Biggest being merit decay). Like I said, I really don't care about the price of expansion. I care about wanting to believe that FD can pull everything off that they promise.
 
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Oh another solo vs open thread ?
I think we can be glad there are the options solo, private group and open. If the game would be open only i would not play it anymore.
I played some MMOs and had always to deal with griefers, Jerks, cheaters, bots and not respectfull ppl.
Really i dont need this in the game i want to play.
I played the old Elite on Amiga back then that was a singleplayer game and so im fine playing ED alone too. If i have some friend online i can do private group, that is great but in general lacks content for multiplayer.
To be able to do some community goals in solo i like very much and its not much of a difference to open play. Powerplay i dont parcipate in, seems to me waste of time. I cant commend issues with powerplay but i think there are some advantages when playing it in solo and in open and also some drawbacks.
Actually i does not matter because ppl will exploit modes to get the best out of it.

For me is open the less actractive mode.
 
I have no problem at all with people playing Solo, all the power to them. But the problem is that Solo players and Open players influence the same galaxy. So a lot of Powerplay just doesn't work because a lot of powers agents just play in solo and there is no way to stop them. Also the same argument could be made when Open players would en masse drain the station that you mostly trade from in Solo. You wouldn't understand where all of your goods went while they were just there an hour ago.
It would just be much simpler for both groups if the universes were separated.

You can still stop him by working against him. No need to kill, there is a counter action for every action. BTW you would have the same problem with separated galaxies since you can't choose your instance.

PS And it would double the work needed for events and galnet/destroy the story line.
 
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Fair enough but I still don't have a problem with both modes affecting the same universe for say trade etc. I can't comment on the Power-play as I tried it once and thought ..... Nah, too confusing 😀
 
Ok it seems that a lot of you misunderstood me: I don't want for core gameplay mechanics to change. I just want a separation between Open and Solo and just for clear communication between what the developers want and what the players expect.

If that is called 'completely the opposite of the game that you want' then you are probably looking for a single player platformer (I suggest super Mario Bros. I've heard it's pretty good) and not this game.

If we completely separate open and solo, then solo players will have a single player game that requires a server and always on internet connection with no benefit. I do not think FD will do that.
 
People, the main issue is not Open and Solo, the main issue is the trust of customers in FD.

I could delete the Open/Solo part of my OP and it would still bring my point across. Stop seeing only what you want to see.
 
I play in open, but mostly in solo since the introduction of 'Wings' (as I can't defend myself against 4 assailants in a wing).
I do not care at all whether solo influences open or not.
I do not play Elite to influence the universe or even the local situations.

So if FD where to remove the influence of solo on open I would not shed a single tear.
It would not influence my enjoyment of the game.
 

Ian Phillips

Volunteer Moderator
Belongs in the current mega - how this got to 2 pages without a merge is beyond me.

Mods are normal people - and have daytime jobs. Have you reported it to bring it to their attention ? (with a link to the thread you think it should be merged into)
 
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Ok it seems that a lot of you misunderstood me: I don't want for core gameplay mechanics to change. I just want a separation between Open and Solo and just for clear communication between what the developers want and what the players expect.

If that is called 'completely the opposite of the game that you want' then you are probably looking for a single player platformer (I suggest super Mario Bros. I've heard it's pretty good) and not this game.

Alot of people are happy with the games as it is and it's been said many times that it's not going to change. Maybe this isn't the game you want it to be, maybe you should make the move to eve and let others enjoy what they have got.
 
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Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Wow, good job. My thread wasn't even about Open and Solo, it was about trust in the developer.

It wasn't?:

The problem with ED is that you, FD and David Braben apparently don't know what you want the game to be.
From the beginning you said that you want the game to be an online, breathing universe. Initially there were no plans for an offline mode and it was eventually scrapped. Then why is it much better to play the game Solo at the moment? You receive all the rewards of Open play, except there is no danger, since almost everyone can defeat the biggest NPC ships with a meager Cobra.
The only way to fix this is: Stop making Solo influence the universe of Open.
Yes, I know you are afraid of alienating your older Elite fans, since they are used to playing a single player game and not multiplayer and they would feel left out. But what you are doing now is alienating a lot of new fans and people who have been playing modern MMOs which do have a true living, breathing universe.
If you wanted to cater to the older generation of gamers, then you should have left offline mode in.
 
Wow, good job. My thread wasn't even about Open and Solo, it was about trust in the developer.

You had, in bold - twice, to separate the modes.

That makes it a valid merge target. Editing it out now, does not solve a thing or remove the quotes people did from your request to mess with the modes. If your main issue is trust, then you should have talked about your lack of trust not whine about the modes.
 
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