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Ima jump into here again for just one post:
I think it is pointless to discuss the reasoning behind the groups (I myself find it 'okay' that you can switch between single, group and multiplayer) and that every mode impacts the background sim and powerplay (this however, is complete nonesense in my opinion, it destroys every kind of strategical play and mass control).
As a conclusion I would rather suggest to discuss balancing between the modes as solo and group modes being clearly the 'right' aka 'best' way to play ED assuming progress is what you want (which is the common goal in ED -> credits -> bigger ships ->more credits -> more ships -> more possibilities).
An open PvE mode would further destroy the "dangerous" behind the "Elite:" tag. The galaxy is, by far, not dangerous.
That said, I think we all can agree that solo is the beginner mode, co-op/group the beginner mode for friends (and a good way to teach a friend the game) and open being the normal mode. Playing a multiplayer game how it should be.
So, what do you guys think about player rewards? The easiest example would be to increase the reward for killing a player, let's say the bounty fines are icnreased by 5. A palyer would easily get a high bounty. Ofcourse we need to adress stuff like "Hey, yo! Let's undermine and after tha twe kill eachother in a sidey to get credits!". Only getting the insurance costs of that palyer's ship as a reward would be a start. So a sidey can easily pass by with 10 million cr. bounty but he will only lose 10.000 creidts if killed by an NPC or player.
Take this idea and change it as you please and in the end it is just an example, not the ultimate solution to everything.
Now, to conclude: Let's talk about mode-balancing rather than the never ending discussion about choices already being made by FD (seperate saves, etc.). While I am not happy with FD's decisions, I can partly agree with some of them.
EDIT: Sorry for typos (if they are any, which is quite likely) ... I was tired when writing this.
I would love to hear your reasoning for thinking Solo and Group are "beginner modes" Apparently a game cannot have "danger" unless you are getting attacked by wings of human opponents? Open is Not in any way shape or form the "normal" mode.. it is J u s t a m o d e. PVP is a type of play it is not some magical reason for being.. if PVP is what makes a mode NOT beginner.. than CQC is clearly the "normal" mode of the game..for it is the only PVP true mode.
Of course I never made that assumption. If Moebius players are in fact playing in other modes (which I assumed they do (fancy that!)), it would still make little difference to my original point. Moebius players are a minority of the total playerbase. I would consider any other claim extraordinary, and I feel it would require extraordinary evidence to support
Links to megathreads and walls of texts indicate nothing but opinion, and to me, are of as little importance in some ways to that "fictitious" pie chart. My solution is better than just accepting the Moebius group into the main menu option, as it is fair on the other large private groups (who may share the playerbase with Moebius). I agree that people should be free to mode switch however they please, all the game modes are equally valid. - - - Updated - - -
Hey Cody, just saw another post there. A player referred to Solo mode as "beginner" mode, you should add that to that list you were talking about, if it helps..
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can u explain to us why modes isnt balanced? cause i think 2 threads bk noone was able to actualy prove it....
Yes you did, you even created a pie chart to support that assumption.
Even when they play in Open? Are they still in the minority then? So what mode is the majority of the player base in then please, as you have the official figures to make that statement?
I 2nd that chortle
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I can prove they are...
In fact, I have - lots of times. Even just a few posts back.
Funny how open advocates lose the ability to read when the FD quotes are put up and say, the game is balanced.
Of course I never made that assumption. If Moebius players are in fact playing in other modes (which I assumed they do (fancy that!)), it would still make little difference to my original point. Moebius players are a minority of the total playerbase. I would consider any other claim extraordinary, and I feel it would require extraordinary evidence to support
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You still seem to be confused on the Mobius group and PVE thing. As far as I'm aware no-one is asking for the Mobius group to be accepted into the main menu option.
Perhaps if you can show us posts where people are requesting that the Mobius group be accepted into the main menu we can see where the confusion is coming from?
"Yes you did, you even created a pie chart to support that assumption."
No it was actually to illustrate the definition of "minority", as the person I was responding to seemed to have some difficulty with the concept
"Even when they play in Open? Are they still in the minority then? So what mode is the majority of the player base in then please, as you have the official figures to make that statement?"
Yes, The number of people aware of the group and who are active in the group remain the same, regardless of their playstyle and mode switching habits. It is still 11000 or so people. If YOU do not consider them Moebius players when they go into Open for any period of time, then it only serves to SHRINK the percentage of players who are in Moebius
"Yes you did, you even created a pie chart to support that assumption."
No it was actually to illustrate the definition of "minority", as the person I was responding to seemed to have some difficulty with the concept
"Even when they play in Open? Are they still in the minority then? So what mode is the majority of the player base in then please, as you have the official figures to make that statement?"
Yes, The number of people aware of the group and who are active in the group remain the same, regardless of their playstyle and mode switching habits. It is still 11000 or so people. If YOU do not consider them Moebius players when they go into Open for any period of time, then it only serves to SHRINK the percentage of players who are in Moebius
What does the number of people in Mobius have to do with having a PVE mode in the game available for anyone of the 900000 or whatever it is number of game owners?
If YOU do not consider them Moebius players when they go into Open for any period of time, then it only serves to SHRINK the percentage of players who are in Moebius
Nice example of a logical fallacy whilst avoiding my direct question. However, I will answer your question, I consider that players are players and whatever game mode they play in, is as irrelevant as this thread. I blame the docking computer. You do know that there are PvP orientated Private Groups as well, yes?
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You still seem to be confused on the Mobius group and PVE thing. As far as I'm aware no-one is asking for the Mobius group to be accepted into the main menu option."
I understand. Over the last week, it has been suggested several times.
"Perhaps if you can show us posts where people are requesting that the Mobius group be accepted into the main menu we can see where the confusion is coming from?"
You can review the thread if you wish, I am currently hunting around Ervate
It would be a bit of a multi task for me.... But if i was honestly mistaken and nobody is in favor of this, that is fine. I see no reason to advocate against its inclusion into the menu system, if nobody actually supports the position anymore My solution is better (in my opinion).
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You still seem to be confused on the Mobius group and PVE thing. As far as I'm aware no-one is asking for the Mobius group to be accepted into the main menu option."
I understand. Over the last week, it has been suggested several times.
"Perhaps if you can show us posts where people are requesting that the Mobius group be accepted into the main menu we can see where the confusion is coming from?"
You can review the thread if you wish, I am currently hunting around Ervate
It's nice of you to offer that I review the thread but as I can't recall seeing any such posts - and I really do read them all - it would be counter-productive if I were to misinterpret which posts you were thinking of and create even more confusion!
I'm happy for you to get back to me when you have time and can show us the posts in question.
" You do know that there are PvP orientated Private Groups as well, yes?"
Of course! I did not claim otherwise. I personally stay in Open mode, as in my opinion, it is the best way to play the game. Fun fact: ALL groups have PvP enabled, there have been instances in which some commanders have infiltrated others private groups to attack from within. A creative thing to do, but the ethics of this is debatable. I doubt any laws were broken, but in any private group, PvP is enabled by default. I can only assume the devs like it this way. For all my suggestions, and everyone elses, I would just really prefer the game to stay the same, that is why I voted No in the above poll.
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I have yet to receive any complaints for my behavior here from the moderators, I am being respectful and keeping within the rules of polite discussion. I can understand why they blocked me though,
Either way, I have Open mode and am REALLY happy with it. I am glad there is no PvE mode.
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Why? You wouldn't use it and are REALLY happy in the current Open mode, that's fine. Why do you want people who would prefer to use such a mode to be less than optimally happy with the game?
...just pretend that every other player not in your particular instance is actually playing Open and that the matchmaker just hasn't seen fit to pop you in an instance with them...which is functionally the same as what you have now.
*nods* or pretend that they are random variables from the BGS/NPCs, which is functionally the same as what you have now.
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As long as groups can opt out of having their group displayed since this is not what the private groups was designed for.
Groups are not meant to be utilized like Mobius...they are there specifically to allow for people to invite their friends to play with them. Although, they can certainly be used by large groups to meet and influence the galaxy, their intent was to allow private small groups a way to play without concern from outside forces.
Think of it this way...I use my Roybe personal group as a de facto private group for Crimson State Group. This is a good way to coordinate a group for play...but, I also have friends within my group that also belong to other groups...the problem being we, as CSG, might not want anyone to see what we are doing at that particular moment...and have word get out inadvertently because someone saw members of that group playing in an odd/suspicious place....although not a problem to date...it is always a concern.
So, as a player, I am forced currently to choose group over friend...or hope someone else in the group makes a private group that is strictly used as a CSG only group...thus limiting them to not allowing their friends in.
So, to me, one thing the devs SHOULD do, is give each player group an option to create a private group only Private Group...so people are not limited in how they use their only Private Group option.
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Interesting poll sadly nothing for me there as what I want is the open that was promised 2 years ago where aggressive illegal actions (trying to dodge the G word) had long lasting and far reaching consequences.
Until I give up and accept FD have failed and given up trying to do this I worry a PvE official mode right now would be the FD cop out mode. YES I want it but only after they deliver the open promised in dev diaries and pre release videos. As said before my fear is not it not being in yet but more so their silence on the matter even more so post huttongate
Until I give up and accept FD have failed and given up trying to do this I worry a PvE official mode right now would be the FD cop out mode. YES I want it but only after they deliver the open promised in dev diaries and pre release videos. As said before my fear is not it not being in yet but more so their silence on the matter even more so post huttongate
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My issue with this logic is that people are unhappy with the design of the game...and just like Open vs. ....are clamoring for a change to the design of the game...with what looks like the exact same outcome to the requests...'the devs do not want it...so you have to accept what we have'....
" You do know that there are PvP orientated Private Groups as well, yes?"
Of course! I did not claim otherwise. I personally stay in Open mode, as in my opinion, it is the best way to play the game. Fun fact: ALL groups have PvP enabled, there have been instances in which some commanders have infiltrated others private groups to attack from within. A creative thing to do, but the ethics of this is debatable. I doubt any laws were broken, but in any private group, PvP is enabled by default. I can only assume the devs like it this way. For all my suggestions, and everyone elses, I would just really prefer the game to stay the same, that is why I voted No in the above poll.
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I have yet to receive any complaints for my behavior here from the moderators, I am being respectful and keeping within the rules of polite discussion. I can understand why they blocked me though,
So, to clarify- you wouldn't at all be adverse to an additional menu choice such as "Open PvE" if Open mode as it stands is left exactly as it is?
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