That's almost an evil suggestion. But I don't know how many players would simply and silently stop playing the game.
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That's almost an evil suggestion. But I don't know how many players would simply and silently stop playing the game.
Because a SINGLE PLAYER left the game? How weak sauce is Elite: Dangerous then?
Not because a single player left the game, but because the game doesn't offer what they want - unless an other player takes the place of Mobius.
Majinvash
Banned
If Möbius vanished. Other than the FD Möbius cheerleaders, the others would continue playing in Open, make their own private groups and play with their friends or move to solo.
The outcry would be massive from a tiny number. FD would smile and concentrate on bug fixing horizons.
Also for reference PVP Devils like myself generally don't care about the modes.
What we care mainly about is mode switching. From unobstructed trade solo to open when they what to feel little bit a live. Choose your play style and stick to it.
Majinvash
The Voice of Open.
The outcry would be massive from a tiny number. FD would smile and concentrate on bug fixing horizons.
Also for reference PVP Devils like myself generally don't care about the modes.
What we care mainly about is mode switching. From unobstructed trade solo to open when they what to feel little bit a live. Choose your play style and stick to it.
Majinvash
The Voice of Open.
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Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
.... your reputation and exploits precede you....
Majinvash
Banned
As a mod you really shouldn't make posts like that.
Maybe some proof?
Or sit down
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
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I certainly wouldn't but on the occasions when I'm feeling sociable but not in the mood for PvP I'd play in one of the other smaller private groups that I'm a member of, or join one of the inevitable "PvE only" replacement groups that would be created if Mobius were to go away - heck, I might even create one myself. Not because I play exclusively PvE, but because I'm sometimes not in the mood for PvP. If neither of those were viable then all I'd lose is the option for not playing in solo when I'm not in the mood for the possibility of a PvP encounter.
Its just a shame the PvE game hasn't really delivered upon its promise in season 1. I dunno about you but I found spending a year shooting at ships in RES and CZ's, exploring (*scan scan..*),and repeating the same missions over and over a tad on the boring and frustrating side. A bit of PvP came as some welcome excitement.
You are right though, PvP in the game doesn't and has never had any focus. We can do it, but its more for the fun, than any sort of reward. For that, we have to grind - whether thats much fun is likely down to personal preference.
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Then the real answer is 'They were playing the wrong game.' If the intention was never to offer a PvE only environment, then Mobius' group can be considered an exploit. And I have stated this before...Mobius is an awesome person for doing all he has done for this part of the community, and I do not mean he is personally doing anything wrong. All he is doing is showing that the game is designed badly, and is completely broken in this particular aspect.
One person, one group, 15k+ people playing a way that is not 'officially offered' shows something is 'broken' in the design of the game. Fdev could fix this overnight...just by limiting personal group sizes to 100 players...or some number much more realistic to the game. Then stating they do not want a PvE Only group and let the chips fall where they may. And for this, I would personally applaud them.
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Mobius is using what is officially offered - it is working as intended.
Grouping is how the game was intended to be played, just read the early dev posts. The fact that there are two preset groups - solo and open, to demonstrate the two extremes of what is possible with grouping does not signify that they are in any way more correct than any other group. FD have repeated this many times.
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This 'problem' is completely caused by the fact that the 'modes' exist. It is the only way that all players are equal in all modes. There will never be another way to reward anyone within this game but through the PvE activities of each player...working in concert.
Honestly, which would you prefer.. That somebody like me who doesn't always play in open should never come into open at all or that depending on my mood I might be there and perfectly willing to accept the possibility that you and I might have a PvP encounter?
Because, quite frankly, if I had to be stuck in one mode then I'd probably not pick open. It's not that I don't want ANY PvP, sometimes I'm in the mood to be OK with an environment where it's possible, sometime I'm not. What I definitely wouldn't want is to restrict my play time to when I am in the mood for PvP. I'd rather give up that aspect of the game.
I would seriously doubt anyone would have thought that 15 thousand players (and showing no signs of slowing down) would group together to avoid all the other modes. I also remember there was a discussion on how many people should be in a group and the community convinced the devs to allow unlimited group sizes.
As far as something working as intended...that's the statement of every person out there that has used a part of a game that has unintended consequences.
Personally, I do not care. I have plenty of people I play with in a group, I play in Open when I want to, and Solo when I have to. All I AM saying is, that if the PvE Open people want their own mode...then they need to reach out to the players that are preventing them from having it...not come here and try to convince folks that this is needed. All they will get here is apathy, their choir, or PvP people fighting tooth and nail against them...and nothing will change.
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They played the right game as the game offers that option and they used the tools available to them at the best possible way from them.
How do we know what the intentions are? How do we know if FD didn't want a lot of private groups and Open Mode just as a way to get started and then move into a private group? It wouldn't be so hard to find some argument to call the way Open Mode is used an exploit.
We simply don't know.
The counter argument would be: Since FD doesn't limit the size of player groups and didn't limit the size from the beginning they obviously are OK with the way it is. Private Groups are officially offered, they are officially supported and they have no size limit. Nothing wrong with that and I don't think that it's a sign that the game is badly designed or broken.
That so many players are members of Mobius group shows something different, it shows that FD didn't expect that such a large group of players would not want to play Open Mode. FD could change the way private groups work or they could change Open Mode. We will know when FD changes something - if they change something. They could be completely happy with the way it is and thinking that it works as intended.
Mobius is "officially" offered? So what you are telling me is that a Player made group is "official" mode..
If all the above is true...then there is no need for a PVE Open mode. Again....if there is a need, the people that would want it, are preventing it from being created by playing in Mobius. Again...not my circus not my monkies...just pointing out the problem with the whole discussion.
Majinvash
Banned
Would prefer you stayed in one mode.
Open is plenty populated.
Open is not the horror that people in this thread make it out to be and most players would get good at avoiding danger.
Or they would work with other players for protection.
Some would lose but they would have to learn from what happened and not just run to another mode.
I had to do it. I got pirated, I got bounty hunted and I some times even trade. All in open, all with the same mechanics and access that everyone else has.
YES IT WOULD BETTER FOR PIRATING
But it would so be better for bounty hunters.
Majinvash
The Voice of Open
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Exploits as in deeds, adventures, etc. - not as in use of game mechanics in unintended ways....
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
.... who's making that decision for them?
With all due respect, your preferences don't matter one iota to anyone else. Everyone is free to choose whichever mode they want to play in at any time, and I really hope FD never change that.
If they do, then it's a safe bet to assume that all sorts of unpleasantness will occur as people make their own modes in Open. That would not be good for anyone.
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