Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[Jockey79]

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Secondly I notice you have a Mobius banner, which is basically an admission that you don't play by the same rules that everyone else does, you made/joined a group so you could make your own. Is it so hard to understand that while you want to exclude pvp'ers, the pvp'ers might also want to exclude? Yes I realise you could make a pvp group btw however it would be a major pain in the bum to operate without a core ruleset supporting it....

Oh, you think the Mobius group is easy to run?

You're new, you must be - as you missed the bragging some players did for joining Mobius then going around PKing everyone they seen. Just because someone is in Mobius, does not make them "safe". All groups play under the same rules, and those rules say you cannot turn PvP off while in a Multiplayer mode. Mobius works hard to try an maintain a PvE enviroment, why does a PvPer not do the same?

PvPers can make a group, but go through the thread and the old mega - just like you, they make excuses. It has nothing to do with the work - it has always been because PvPers want to force non-PvP folks in to their gun sights, a direct contradiction to the game design. After all, I'm told it is more fun being in an FDL stopping Type 6s and blowing them up for no reason other than "It's PvP".

And at the end of the day, we are all bound by the same ruleset for the game.
Saying we are playing by "different" rules is a hairs wicth away from calling people cheaters. I hope you see that?

Also, I'm in Open Mode right now - feel free to confim this.

 

[Derath]

I'm sure the mobius group is a pain in the backside too, the issue is that policing PvE is considerably simpler than policing say Ironman or Open only, one because a majority of deaths will happen without witness, and the second because solo represents an absence not a presence, and proving an absence would require an enormous friendslist to check consistently lol

Saying you play by different rules isn't calling you cheaters at all, its saying you play by different rules, you could only use beam lasers thats playing by different rules, there are plenty of people on the forums that play Ironman, they play different rules to me I have sadly made insurance claims.

PvPers can make a group, but go through the thread and the old mega - just like you, they make excuses. It has nothing to do with the work - it has always been because PvPers want to force non-PvP folks in to their gun sights, a direct contradiction to the game design. After all, I'm told it is more fun being in an FDL stopping Type 6s and blowing them up for no reason other than "It's PvP".

Despite the fact this is a pretty low attack where you feelings on pvp become obvious, a good chunk of the reason I post in this thread is to dispel the myth that Open Only = PvP server, that is my agenda, It has absolutely nothing to do with the current server architecture or changing modes (other than poking holes at the instance limit) and everything to do with the idea that open only and the current implementation are the same.

 

[Daffan]

how would it be any diffrent from Open now?

Also you did forgett the people who like to swtich while keeping the same CMDR everywhere, they certainly wouldn't be happy. But I guess they would just stick with Group.

It would be a seperate galaxy, a 4th option. It wouldn't CHANGE A SINGLE THING FOR YOU. There would be solo/group/open and OPEN Only on a completely different database

How would it be more interesting than Open is now?

I do commend you for sticking with your idea though.

Because power play could not be gamed entirely in solo

Trading would not entirely be done in solo - there would be risk

RES and CZ can not be farmed entirely in solo

There will be hunters, there will be prey. The hunters wont always hunt, there is always risk and reward playing.

But really, powerplay wont be done entirely in a cloak mode making the whole game play of power play utterly pointless and void of any value.

Welcome to Arenas. Perfect solution.

Are you seriously suggesting that a pvp arena is a good substitute for an open ended galaxy with pvp/pve?

The arena is a joke for a sandbox game.

I could not agree more. However I think network problems and instancing absolutely needs to be sorted first.

I agree. But they will never move away from p2p the best we can hop for is a separate galaxy for a start.

You do know my name isn't Daffan right?

You literally went to find a quote, then quoted somebody else... I couldn't make this up if i tried.

hahahahahhaha

 

[NE1]

Extraordinary!

[video=youtube;wOIwLLaT_x8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOIwLLaT_x8[/video]

 

[Cody]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOIwLLaT_x8

Fascinating!

 

[Jockey79]

I'm sure the mobius group is a pain in the backside too, the issue is that policing PvE is considerably simpler than policing say Ironman or Open only, one because a majority of deaths will happen without witness, and the second because solo represents an absence not a presence, and proving an absence would require an enormous friendslist to check consistently lol

Saying you play by different rules isn't calling you cheaters at all, its saying you play by different rules, you could only use beam lasers thats playing by different rules, there are plenty of people on the forums that play Ironman, they play different rules to me I have sadly made insurance claims.



Despite the fact this is a pretty low attack where you feelings on pvp become obvious, a good chunk of the reason I post in this thread is to dispel the myth that Open Only = PvP server, that is my agenda, It has absolutely nothing to do with the current server architecture or changing modes (other than poking holes at the instance limit) and everything to do with the idea that open only and the current implementation are the same.

We all play by the rules set by FD. Saying someone is not playing by those rules is just a masked way calling people cheaters.

As for PvP, you have no idea if I like PvP or not. The fact I've talked a lot about EVE Online, War Thunder, WoT (and planes), Robocraft, Planetside 1 & 2 (open world PvP), Mechwaroir Online just to name a few should be a clue, seems not.

Also, you're never going to dispel the "myth" of open being a gankers paradise while new threads pop up day after day with people moaning they've been killed in open for no reason other than they were there.

You also keep ignoring that this is not a PvP focused game, and that baffles me. ED I like PvP games, if they are designed around the concept of PvP - ED was never designed around PvP.

 

[Cowboy Bats]

And who are you my little friend? I am unable to get even the slightest idea what you want to tell us with your throw-in post's. They really are... confusing.

It's a cupboard thing, you wouldn't understand.

 

[Cody]

<smirks>

 

[Jockey79]

And who are you my little friend? I am unable to get even the slightest idea what you want to tell us with your throw-in post's. They really are... confusing.

Some of us have been at this since before the game came out - we have our own "in jokes" now.

If you want to carch up, start at the first mega thread and work through it

 

[Derath]

We all play by the rules set by FD. Saying someone is not playing by those rules is just a masked way calling people cheaters.

As for PvP, you have no idea if I like PvP or not. The fact I've talked a lot about EVE Online, War Thunder, WoT (and planes), Robocraft, Planetside 1 & 2 (open world PvP), Mechwaroir Online just to name a few should be a clue, seems not.

Also, you're never going to dispel the "myth" of open being a gankers paradise while new threads pop up day after day with people moaning they've been killed in open for no reason other than they were there.

You also keep ignoring that this is not a PvP focused game, and that baffles me. ED I like PvP games, if they are designed around the concept of PvP - ED was never designed around PvP.

reading comprehension

though you are right, I have no idea if you like PvP or not, I made an educated guess based on the low opinion of pvp in ED, mobius and your views on the open/solo debate, if you infact love ED pvp you seem to be a walking contradiction but more power to you.

Though equally it wasn't really a great leap of logic to assume I was talking about PvP in ED, and not planetside.

 

[Roybe]

Are you seriously suggesting that a pvp arena is a good substitute for an open ended galaxy with pvp/pve?

The arena is a joke for a sandbox game.

No, I am suggesting that FDev is creating a seperate server for PvP. It is the arena mode.

The sandbox in this game is not PvP pew pew oriented. It is groups and devs creating content and stories for the community to play.


The game IS PvP based on two groups playing against each other winning through PvE trophy collection. It is not a game for all tastes...I suggest people come to grips with this idea and play the game the way it is designed...rather than continually whinging about how PvP pew pew is core to the design of the game. It isn't.

The modes are there to provide a way for everyone to play the way they desire...AND allow for backstabbing, dirty pool, and hatred to seeth through out the galaxy.

 

[Cowboy Bats]

And just to give you another argument for my point of view.
Solo mode takes away a gameplay experience that would have been created without it. Without Solo, situations would emerge that are hard or even impossible to conquer. Without Solo i would have to face true danger out in space while i am doing actions that are hostile to someone else. Without Solo i'd have to think about my next move because it might be my last. Without Solo i'd have to support others because they would suffer. Without Solo i'd have a more dynamic and living galaxy.
Should i continue?
And now tell me that i am still able to enjoy the game as i want.

Without solo, I wouldn't even have the game to play. That absolutely trumps all of the above.

 

[Mouse]

Many of these quotes are responses to other people which of course have been omitted, however you will notice they all have a trend, Its called why they want a server, not that they should change the current architecture.

Thanks for quoting my reading comprehension at the top btw, its necessary.

The thing I want to change is the lack of understanding present in the Open Vs Solo debate, everyone acts like this is the fairest implementation - it isn't, its by numbers the best implementation.

So consistently shouting at me about how i'm trying to force change on everybody is just putting words in my mouth, just because you think that's what i'm saying doesn't mean its what i'm saying. All I wanted from you is to stop quoting my posts then saying something completely unrelated about STOP CHANGING MY SERVERS STOP STOP STOP

I was never talking about changing your servers! Use your eyes your brain, read the words, think about them if you can, anything!



Look at this, you just quoted like every post i've made in this thread, where have I done any of that? You literally read three words then made the rest up.

Yes I quoted it because when replying to someone it quotes what they said. Since I was replying to you I quoted you, also nice to quote the attacks from people claiming you do it and they don't, but hey it ins't the first time you've gone down that road, as apparently we are not as smart as you and you've repeatedly claimed that people cannot comprehend things. And I didn't even quote half of the posts you have made, as I said I don't want to flood the page. Sadly when quoting someone it doesn't quote who they were talking to. Reading your posts gives a very clear indication of your view and what you want. I didn't take three words and make everything up, I read all of what you said and at no point have I "put words in your mouth" I took your own words and opinions and disagreed with them.

I'm not the one attacking others, you are. When called on it you try to twist everything around as Faded Glory said.

 

[Scudmungus]

Tinkin - why dere no PvP Group, like Mobious targeted at PvP focused players?

 

[rckstr]

Some of us have been at this since before the game came out - we have our own "in jokes" now.

If you want to carch up, start at the first mega thread and work through it

Well I guess that would be too time consuming so I better don't start, though I have to admit that I am curious.

Well just again. What I and I sure the majority of the Pro-Open-Faction wants to say. It is not just to have the pewpew pvp where we mindlessly kill around. It is more of
A healthy and balanced PP and shaping the galaxy with all risks involved to do so. Since this is Elite Dangerous this might be reasonable.
We want a deep gameplay. Story driven and influenced by it's community.
An environment where you have to think twice about your actions, where you help each other and yes, where you attack each other. Not just because it is fun to kill, because of the immersive and thrilling story's that emerge of it.
Let's just put this in to PP. A trader who wants to deliver stuff to a system, let it be for expansion or fortifying should do this with a risk, where he might rely on others that help him, or just support him on his trade route. A living world where we have to stick together to be able to defend a system and to scare off the invader, even without killing him. A world where achieving a victory against another power really matters. A successful expansion that was accompanied with danger and even with loss of a couple of ships. Tragedies about a lost system though you have tried to fight back, revenge in return.
Just a living, breathing and unforgiving galaxy.
No matter if it is owed to the technical limitations or to players doing stuff in open, this what I just wrote down is unachievable with the current conditions and restrictions.

 

[Scudmungus]

Well I guess that would be too time consuming so I better don't start, though I have to admit that I am curious.

Well just again. What I..

I feelin yuh. Change tings to be betta.

Fah given value of betta.

Fi yuh value.

Mi value not de same - aal gud.

 

[Derath]

I'm not the one attacking others, you are. When called on it you try to twist everything around as Faded Glory said.

Oh we do, the price we pay is we have whiny little only Open advocates who think that any mode but one where they can shoot everyone is stressless. Got enough stress in open / Group thank you.

Took me 5 seconds to find you attacking, you couldn't find me in a page long quote, but keep that mob mentality it'll do wonders for you.

 

[Jockey79]

Well I guess that would be too time consuming so I better don't start, though I have to admit that I am curious.

Well just again. What I and I sure the majority of the Pro-Open-Faction wants to say. It is not just to have the pewpew pvp where we mindlessly kill around. It is more of
A healthy and balanced PP and shaping the galaxy with all risks involved to do so. Since this is Elite Dangerous this might be reasonable.
We want a deep gameplay. Story driven and influenced by it's community.
An environment where you have to think twice about your actions, where you help each other and yes, where you attack each other. Not just because it is fun to kill, because of the immersive and thrilling story's that emerge of it.
Let's just put this in to PP. A trader who wants to deliver stuff to a system, let it be for expansion or fortifying should do this with a risk, where he might rely on others that help him, or just support him on his trade route. A living world where we have to stick together to be able to defend a system and to scare off the invader, even without killing him. A world where achieving a victory against another power really matters. A successful expansion that was accompanied with danger and even with loss of a couple of ships. Tragedies about a lost system though you have tried to fight back, revenge in return.
Just a living, breathing and unforgiving galaxy.
No matter if it is owed to the technical limitations or to players doing stuff in open, this what I just wrote down is unachievable with the current conditions and restrictions.

At the end of the day, we all want Elite: Dangerous to be the best game it can be.
Some think that is through PvP, some think PvE is the best way to go. FD want a hybrid system, and as it's their game it is their choice.

I didn't (and still don't) like it having the MMO tag. I also prefer "Flexi-Player" over "Selective Multiplayer" - but hey, we cannot always get what we want in the way we want it

 

[Scudmungus]

Derath an Mouse!

Waitin fah one of yuh to be sayin, 'He started it!'

 

[Asp Explorer]

Tinkin - why dere no PvP Group, like Mobious targeted at PvP focused players?

Simply because many of them want to show off how good they are at shooting other players, and no so many of them want to be the ones getting shot.

It's been suggested a few times, and was always met with "but that is consensual, pre-arranged, non-emergent lame gameplay"