Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[fademist]

I regard blocking ports to make your instance solo as cheating. I think that's no reason to not have a separate background simulation as many games have problems with constant cheating but somehow still continue.

There should definitely be a way for Frontier to check whether players are getting telemetry from other players. If not, kick/ban them.

dont forget hes PORTS r hes nots FD's or anyone's else ;p

 

[atak2]

i dont know about the others but if i go to open i will doit with an E grade sidewinder my precious will be docked somewhere lol

and you complain that people think you have a problem with cowardice...

 

[relayer]

so we have 10 powers in play, covering all 3 factions. each of the play modes - solo, group and open will have players aligning with their favoured power for reasons other than a chosen game mode. this will result in pretty much the same dispersal of support throughout the powers in 'all' game modes, which should then provide the same outcome at the end of each cycle as if we were all playing in a single mode. typhoon in a teacup.. so why not just play your game, and let others play theirs.

THIS needs to be posted every day.

 

[fademist]

and you complain that people think you have a problem with cowardice...

yeah i will be with 18m insurance ship to be target of a pack of free cost voltures......
think again about cowardice and stupid ..and im not both in the end been there done that for pvp in many games ..didnt buy elite for adrenaline rush i bought it to relax but u wont undersand it anyway

 

[atak2]

yeah i will be with 18m insurance ship to be target of a pack of free cost voltures......
think again about cowardice and stupid ..and im not both in the end been there done that for pvp in many games ..didnt buy elite for adrenaline rush i bought it to relax but u wont undersand it anyway

Oh I understand. You like to have it all even if it screws other players over who value fair play.

 

[PavelKCZ]

I regard blocking ports to make your instance solo as cheating. I think that's no reason to not have a separate background simulation as many games have problems with constant cheating but somehow still continue.

There should definitely be a way for Frontier to check whether players are getting telemetry from other players. If not, kick/ban them.

Sure, from the technical point of view, this can be a cheating on pure PvP background simulation. But reality is, that firstly you can't check this at player side (because you cannot differ "I am not receiving telemetry" from "I am receiving telemetry, but somehow I ignore it". Secondly, from the developer/company point of view, the hardcore PvP players/griefers are just a small minority of the whole player base and the costs of separate servers/staff etc. is simply to much and such an investment will never come back. Was there, did it.

 

[fademist]

Oh I understand. You like to have it all even if it screws other players over who value fair play.

i dont screw anyone that is the game all bought from the start ...isnt my fault or even urs that u ask for separate mode but they have what they said to have so far...now if in future put something new (i guess best time to indroduce new mode for u maybe will be with planetary landings expansion) we will see it

 

[Mouse]

Well, uhm, if they are pretty bad? Even as a trader I don't experience a threat at all in solo.

Funny I've been interdicted quite a few times by NPCs.

When players aren't a bigger threat to you than NPC's then where is your point? It wouldn't make a difference, would it?

For some it doesn't for others it does, like the guy who beat someone else and their response was to constantly interdict them afterwards. While NPCs can be jerks, I've yet to find one that can be a flaming A Hole as some humans can be.

Right: THEY and NOT YOU! Because they haven't censored me one single time, the might share my democratic attitude on voicing opinions.

I never tried to censor you, I said you are wrong and don't understand. BIG difference. Are you going to bring your epeen out now and say your democratic attitude is bigger than my democratic attitude or something because I disagree with you? Or maybe we should trade years in military service? See who has the biggest Epeen for Democracy.

This doesn't make any sense. I never objected things working as intended. I object to the intention itself.

Yet you bought the game to begin with knowing that both sides effect each other. That is like eating an Ice Cream Sandwich then demanding your money back after you finished because you felt it wasn't cold enough.

But it is. I played both and the AI hasn't the slightest bit of a chance to hinder me from trading or earning my merits. Maybe you are not good enough to tell the difference?

I am a newish player, but have read through the threads and others much more experienced than me have said that they found some NPC's a lot harder than humans who tried to stop them.

Impossible! How could they do that? Are humans magically more dangerous than NPCs?

No, just can be more A holish.

I did it myself at the beginning and my friends do it still. It is quite logic, because solo mode is less of a threat. So people switch there for grinding and when they finally got their big guns they switch to open to use them on people who want to earn their big guns the more dangerous way. One doesn't need to be a genius to see that there is something wrong with this system.

So you did it, decided to do it differently and now complain that others do it.. hahahahahahahahahahaha. And many many people in the threads have said that those doing that are at a disadvantage in PVP.

 

[Jockey79]

I just don't know anymore, I play almost exclusively in Group mode.

Frontier however seem intent on a more PVP/competition orientated game, to some extent I can see why with the popularity of things like Destiny on Xbox etc..

Maybe a PVP flag would be the solution, not very immersive but it would be the least damaging compromise.

and you complain that people think you have a problem with cowardice...

Yea, because a wing of FDLs at 70+ mill each versus one (1) type 6 is so darn brave ain't it

Blocking router ports to prevent Open players connecting, under the current setup is pointless. As anyone can join Mobius, join any private group or go Solo. Should the mode system get changed, then blocking ports is the sane thing to do if you don't want to play with griefers and morons.

Oh and to be clear - a "coward" is someone who picks on people who cannot fight back.
It is not someone who stays out of the way of said person, that is just common sense.

 

[atak2]

Sure, from the technical point of view, this can be a cheating on pure PvP background simulation. But reality is, that firstly you can't check this at player side (because you cannot differ "I am not receiving telemetry" from "I am receiving telemetry, but somehow I ignore it". Secondly, from the developer/company point of view, the hardcore PvP players/griefers are just a small minority of the whole player base and the costs of separate servers/staff etc. is simply to much and such an investment will never come back. Was there, did it.

Nope. PvP players are not a small minority. For example the subreddit revolves around PvP.

I think the telemetry proposal is possible:

3 ships, 2 that can locate each other ping Frontier that they see each other. 1 ship that does not ping it can see the 2 other ships in the same instance. That ship gets kicked/banned. Minimal bandwidth needed. Frontier only needs to receive info on whether ships are present.

 

[Beetlebum]

Really, believe me, I know pretty exactly what you want. Maybe I know it better than you know.

Wow, this is hilariously arrogant.

And yes, the separate background simulation where all players are in PvP is technically impossible. The networking core code is P2P based, so any player can disable any other player on his own computer.

Treat it like cheating, problem solved.

Plus, as soon as there will be the console version of Elite, there will be tens or hundreds of thousands of console players which will be in the same universe (same background simulation) and you will not be able to see them, because AFAIK the matchmaking code will not put PC and console players in the same instance.

Another good reason for a separate server!

 

[atak2]

Yea, because a wing of FDLs at 70+ mill each versus one (1) type 6 is so darn brave ain't it

Blocking router ports to prevent Open players connecting, under the current setup is pointless. As anyone can join Mobius, join any private group or go Solo. Should the mode system get changed, then blocking ports is the sane thing to do if you don't want to play with griefers and morons.

Oh and to be clear - a "coward" is someone who picks on people who cannot fight back.
It is not someone who stays out of the way of said person, that is just common sense.

I take it it's your shift now?

Definition of a coward according to google:

"a person who is contemptibly lacking in the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things."

 

[Jockey79]

Nope. PvP players are not a small minority.

Actually, yes they are.
PvPers in any game tend to be the most vocal and the least in number - hence why they shout so loudly.
Happy players don't complain, PvPers never shut up. There are over 500k accounts now for ED (I'm lead to believe)... there is what, 20 of you guys whining on the forums? Not even 1%

Heck, even the Mobius group counts as about 2% of the "ENTIRE" player base... that is 2% that want pure PvE.
How many people are in the pure PvP group again ??? oh that's right, zero (0)... as there isn't one.

 

[Dave1235]

You have completely missed the reason he wants Open separated from solo/group. He wants a separate background simulation so other modes do not affect his background simulation. A private group would certainly not solve this issue.

Why? does he think I will make so much difference with my individual actions in his "background simulation", FD have already said that the xbox players will interact with the same "background simulation" and PC players will likely never see them. Lets not mention the 32 hard limit.

 

[Jockey79]

I take it it's your shift now?

Definition of a coward according to google:

"a person who is contemptibly lacking in the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things."

Yes, so FDL vs a Type 6.... no "danger" at all for the FDL pilot is there. Nothing "unpleasant" is going to happen to the FDL pilot in that situation.
The "coward" is attacking someone who cannot fight back. Despite the simple truth, they could attack another fighter pilot, but decided to take the easy route and pick on a hauler.

So, that proves my version was right - thank you

 

[atak2]

Actually, yes they are.
PvPers in any game tend to be the most vocal and the least in number - hence why they shout so loudly.
Happy players don't complain, PvPers never shut up. There are over 500k accounts now for ED (I'm lead to believe)... there is what, 20 of you guys whining on the forums? Not even 1%

Heck, even the Mobius group counts as about 2% of the "ENTIRE" player base... that is 2% that want pure PvE.
How many people are in the pure PvP group again ??? oh that's right, zero (0)... as there isn't one.

Really because all I see is the solo players being the most vocal... Can you give "who has the most posts in this thread" statistics again?

I have already explained why players don't post in this thread. You are a large part of that.

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Yes, so FDL vs a Type 6.... no "danger" at all for the FDL pilot is there. Nothing "unpleasant" is going to happen to the FDL pilot in that situation.
The "coward" is attacking someone who cannot fight back. Despite the simple truth, they could attack another fighter pilot, but decided to take the easy route and pick on a hauler.

So, that proves my version was right - thank you

Quite true but its also true that you avoid the inherent danger of Open by avoiding it in solo or switching to a cheaper ship for open which also falls under the coward definition. You cherry pick everything. Not worth talking to.

 

[PavelKCZ]

Nope. PvP players are not a small minority. For example the subreddit revolves around PvP.

I think the telemetry proposal is possible:

3 ships, 2 that can locate each other ping Frontier that they see each other. 1 ship that does not ping it can see the 2 other ships in the same instance. That ship gets kicked/banned. Minimal bandwidth needed. Frontier only needs to receive info on whether ships are present.

Firstly, do not use any Internet discussion as a base for any count of actual player base. More than 90% of players of any game do not discuss on the Net (maybe the Minecraft is a first and only exception). It is a harsh fact that any game developer know.

Secondly, your telemetry proposal is simply wrong. 2 ships can locate each other and can ping Frontier. One ship can ping Frontier, but blocks those 2 ships. You cannot kick/ban this ship, because you do not know, if those two griefers did not blocked the network communication to the third ship. Believe me, this really does not have a solution. A lot of game makers tried, so far no success...

 

[atak2]

Firstly, do not use any Internet discussion as a baso for any count of actual player base. More than 90% of players of any game do not discuss on the Net (maybe the Minecraft is a first and only exception). It is a harsh fact that any game developer know.

Secondly, your telemetry proposal is simply wrong. 2 ships can locate each other and can ping Frontier. One ship can ping Frontier, but blocks those 2 ships. You cannot kick/ban this ship, because you do not know, if those two griefers did not blocked the network communication to the third ship. Believe me, this really does not have a solution. A lot of game makers tried, so far no success...

How could those 2 ships block the 3rd ship? They would have to selectively identify that ship and block its communication and communicate to block the same ship. There might be some real internet wizards who could but I doubt it would be feasible.

 

[Beetlebum]

Funny I've been interdicted quite a few times by NPCs.

Funny, they successfully interdicted me one single time. I boosted away, end of story. I still have nightmares...

For some it doesn't for others it does, like the guy who beat someone else and their response was to constantly interdict them afterwards. While NPCs can be jerks, I've yet to find one that can be a flaming A Hole as some humans can be.

Ganking should be dealt with by reporting players, not by making bad design decisions.

Yet you bought the game to begin with knowing that both sides effect each other.

Actually I backed the game before anything was set in stone whatsoever.

That is like eating an Ice Cream Sandwich then demanding your money back after you finished because you felt it wasn't cold enough.

Uhm, no. It's like you being speculating all the time.

I am a newish player, but have read through the threads and others much more experienced than me have said that they found some NPC's a lot harder than humans who tried to stop them.

That says pretty much about your experience, but for me NPCs aren't a real threat until I do something really stupid like attacking a station.

So you did it, decided to do it differently and now complain that others do it.. hahahahahahahahahahaha.

No, I don't complain that others do it, because it is the only rational behaviour if you want to compete efficiently. No soccer team in the world would play fair if it wasn't for the referees. I want "a referee" for this game, if you get the metaphor right this time.

 

[Hempstead]

I take it it's your shift now?

Definition of a coward according to google:

"a person who is contemptibly lacking in the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things."

The expression used to be "You read that on the side of a cereal box?" Now it's "You found that on Google/Internet?"

Please quote the source properly if you are going to quote other people.