Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

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SteveLaw

SteveLaw
CMDR Holycow said:
Yes you did, thanks. I'm still soaking them in. It appears you personally have distaste for PVP in general, so it's no wonder solo/open switching doesn't bother you one bit. The day what you are doing now gets old, and the desire to pick up pirating hits you... I predict your opinion will change.
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I didn't mention PvP. I have nothing against balanced consensual PvP occasionally (but ED doesn't offer that). And when I try pirating it will be against NPCs. It's much harder because they won't drop cargo on demand, and less profitable, because they haul cheap rubbish, but hey, easy mode right? (I want to try the role for completion, I don't really want to be a pirate, it doesn't interest me. I prefer to earn an honest Credit.)
 
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Faded Glory

Faded Glory
CMDR Holycow said:
Yes you did, thanks. I'm still soaking them in. It appears you personally have distaste for PVP in general, so it's no wonder solo/open switching doesn't bother you one bit. The day what you are doing now gets old, and the desire to pick up pirating hits you... I predict your opinion will change.
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Soooo... You've come onto this thread, told us how we feel (we want an EZ life), told us how we should feel (be forced to do things differently), and now you're predicting how we will feel in the days to come...

Impressive. ;)
 

CMDR Holycow

CMDR Holycow
SteveLaw said:
I didn't mention PvP. I have nothing against balanced consensual PvP occasionally (but ED doesn't offer that). And when I try pirating it will be against NPCs. It's much harder because they won't drop cargo on demand, and less profitable, because they haul cheap rubbish, but hey, easy mode right? (I want to try the role for completion, I don't really want to be a pirate, it doesn't interest me. I prefer to earn an honest Credit.)
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You're going to pirate NPCs? I'll remember you said that ;)
 

ARGH

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CMDR Holycow said:
I'm not trying to "bait" anybody..just stop already.
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it is kind of pointless to debate them from what I have experienced. we come in with real arguments of how broken the solo game mode is by interfering with an open game world and all we receive is spewed nonsense from the community and moderators which include;
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1) being falsely accused of violating some terms of service while at the same time the defenders can ridicule you with impunity
2) never receiving a real counter to the argument and instead they throw some dev quotes at you of how the game will never change, yet this debate is still allowed to continue.
3) being accused of trying to take away their choices of gameplay but never looking at it from both sides, very hypocritical of them to demand a pvp'er does not have the choice to intercept them.
4) I received some kind of infraction because I likened the solo mode to cheating and the thread was locked, lol....
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the community is very hostile to constructive criticism and is also very selfish.
 

CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost

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SteveLaw said:
… I have nothing against balanced consensual PvP occasionally (but ED doesn't offer that).
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I hope that FD gets it right with CQC. It could be a lot of fun to race around a station with a small ship trying to kill and not get killed.

SteveLaw said:
And when I try pirating it will be against NPCs.…
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Shoot the cargo hatch. Chances are high that they will drop something. Not worth the effort compared to bounty hunting, but it could be fun if you like the challenge of not actually destroying that NPC ship while his buddies shoot you with everything they have.
 

Dave1235

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FuzzySpider said:
<snip> I hate pointless PvP, but I love getting pirated. Seeing some action, attacks, things like that. It's all part of Open.
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I am not into pointless PVP either, I played open from PB to mid gamma (prob ~ 5/6 months), after that mainly solo, a bit of group and the odd incursion into open in my big scary type6, that I earned in open, for the few people that it matters too :).

The only times I go into open right now is when I am looking to meet a pirate for a little bit of fun, if I meet a PK instead then its fine I have plenty insurance and I can afford to lose a full load of cargo, you won't see a rage thread, but my next visit to open might be delayed a little lol.

I do think I will spend a bit more time in open in the future so am against any changes to the modes, well its also part of what I bought, part of KS and confirmed this week not to be changing so that's all good anyway.

I saw a couple of posts, one was roybe I think, sorry forgot the other poster. I disagree that logging out using the timer is combat logging, FD have said pulling the plug / task manager etc is cheating, at the moment the timer is 15 seconds? (I only saw it once in solo, the wife needed me so I didn't have time to dock, I wasn't in combat but close to a station). FD control that timer so it is I believe is part of the design.

That said I do not understand why people would log out during a fight or chase unless for a RL reason, if I go into open, and I did for a few hours last weekend, (In Diso for a while) I am there for whatever interaction finds me, if I choose open I am being social, will I ever combat log, No!, if the wife needs me in the middle of a interaction the pirate can wait 2 minutes or blow up my ship, I won't log out.
 
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Mouse

Mouse
ARGH said:
it is kind of pointless to debate them from what I have experienced. we come in with real arguments of how broken the solo game mode is by interfering with an open game world and all we receive is spewed nonsense from the community and moderators which include;
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1) being falsely accused of violating some terms of service while at the same time the defenders can ridicule you with impunity
2) never receiving a real counter to the argument and instead they throw some dev quotes at you of how the game will never change, yet this debate is still allowed to continue.
3) being accused of trying to take away their choices of gameplay but never looking at it from both sides, very hypocritical of them to demand a pvp'er does not have the choice to intercept them.
4) I received some kind of infraction because I likened the solo mode to cheating and the thread was locked, lol....
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the community is very hostile to constructive criticism and is also very selfish.
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you've come in argumentative, combative, and insulting... and with a sense of you know what is best for everyone. If you had a real argument, it was lost in how you conducted yourself.
 

CMDR Holycow

CMDR Holycow
ARGH said:
it is kind of pointless to debate them from what I have experienced. we come in with real arguments of how broken the solo game mode is by interfering with an open game world and all we receive is spewed nonsense from the community and moderators which include;
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1) being falsely accused of violating some terms of service while at the same time the defenders can ridicule you with impunity
2) never receiving a real counter to the argument and instead they throw some dev quotes at you of how the game will never change, yet this debate is still allowed to continue.
3) being accused of trying to take away their choices of gameplay but never looking at it from both sides, very hypocritical of them to demand a pvp'er does not have the choice to intercept them.
4) I received some kind of infraction because I likened the solo mode to cheating and the thread was locked, lol....
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the community is very hostile to constructive criticism and is also very selfish.
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Yeah I get it.. and I concur. I just forsee a day in the future where they all show up in open mode, looking to pirate.... But, they can't find anybody because all traders are in solo. So they decide to switch to player BHing, only they can't, because there are no more pirates. The game will eventually end up with all traders in solo... and open full of bounty hunters looking for pirates that don't exist. weeee!!

Have a good weekend all. Ill be in open. Looking for traders.
 

Jockey79

Jockey79
CMDR Holycow said:
You're going to pirate NPCs? I'll remember you said that ;)
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I have done, it was better when there was a lot of "Seeking" Type 9s about.
The loot from standard NPCs really needs looking at, no way a Type 9 would be hauling 9 tons of cheap rubbish.

ARGH said:
it is kind of pointless to debate them from what I have experienced. we come in with real arguments of how broken the solo game mode is by interfering with an open game world and all we receive is spewed nonsense from the community and moderators which include;
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1) being falsely accused of violating some terms of service while at the same time the defenders can ridicule you with impunity
2) never receiving a real counter to the argument and instead they throw some dev quotes at you of how the game will never change, yet this debate is still allowed to continue.
3) being accused of trying to take away their choices of gameplay but never looking at it from both sides, very hypocritical of them to demand a pvp'er does not have the choice to intercept them.
4) I received some kind of infraction because I likened the solo mode to cheating and the thread was locked, lol....
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the community is very hostile to constructive criticism and is also very selfish.
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You came into the thread and right away starting insulting people and telling us how to play the game, and even when shown a quote by David Braben himself saying "there is no right way" you became more hostile.

If you want respect, you have to give it first.
 
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fademist

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CMDR Holycow said:
Yeah I get it.. and I concur. I just forsee a day in the future where they all show up in open mode, looking to pirate.... But, they can't find anybody because all traders are in solo. So they decide to switch to player BHing, only they can't, because there are no more pirates. The game will eventually end up with all traders in solo... and open full of bounty hunters looking for pirates that don't exist. weeee!!

Have a good weekend all. Ill be in open. Looking for traders.
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i see many wanted on solo though ;p
 

Dave1235

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Cody said:
< sighs >
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Where did I hear those words recently.......

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<snip> [*]Stay polite and topic. Baiting, insulting or swearing will result in a direct infraction. No warnings, no nice private messages. Baiting includes dead horse references, use of the words "easy mode" or "carebear", accusations of griefing, and picture spam.
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Oh it was in the first post in this thread, not as senile as I thought I was.

ETA, can a mod also add the word coward, it was missed from the OP on page 1.
 
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JosiahD

JosiahD
ARGH said:
it is kind of pointless to debate them from what I have experienced. we come in with real arguments of how broken the solo game mode is by interfering with an open game world and all we receive is spewed nonsense from the community and moderators which include;
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1) being falsely accused of violating some terms of service while at the same time the defenders can ridicule you with impunity
2) never receiving a real counter to the argument and instead they throw some dev quotes at you of how the game will never change, yet this debate is still allowed to continue.
3) being accused of trying to take away their choices of gameplay but never looking at it from both sides, very hypocritical of them to demand a pvp'er does not have the choice to intercept them.
4) I received some kind of infraction because I likened the solo mode to cheating and the thread was locked, lol....
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the community is very hostile to constructive criticism and is also very selfish.
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And I for one have asked your crowd in the past to explain what the difference is between someone earning their gear in solo and simply doing the same but 1000ly away from you? How can you possibly know whether that's the case or even that they've simply been online at different times to you? The point is that when you encounter someone else in open, you have no way of knowing what mode they got their ship and equipment in, or if they had simply been somewhere else in inhabited space. The point is that being able to change to solo (or private group for that matter) is no different to me playing somewhere else in inhabited space before coming into your area. You'll never know which, and what's more, why do you care?

Now, if you were concerned about impacts of solo play on things like PP and CGs, that might be different - but even then you cannot know whether people are working in solo or simply being separated from you by the P2P instancing, or playing at different times to you. At your end in-game, whether someone is in solo or in open but in a different instance is the same, but you can't/won't know which is the case, yet the effect on you is the same (ie nil).

So if switching to solo were to be considered 'cheating' by some, for example, does the same apply if I've been playing in open but simply put in a different instance? If I've been playing in open but many ly away from where you are before I come over to your area of space?
 

FuzzySpider

FuzzySpider
ARGH said:
it is kind of pointless to debate them from what I have experienced. we come in with real arguments of how broken the solo game mode is by interfering with an open game world...
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I've yet to see such a "real argument".

ARGH said:
2) never receiving a real counter to the argument and instead they throw some dev quotes at you of how the game will never change, yet this debate is still allowed to continue.
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In order to have an argument countered you need to present an argument to begin with. I've seen that happen a few times, but not often.

ARGH said:
3) being accused of trying to take away their choices of gameplay but never looking at it from both sides, very hypocritical of them to demand a pvp'er does not have the choice to intercept them.
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Locking people into Open is, by definition, taking away a choice.

In any case why do you need the choice to intercept others? What if they simply don't want to engage in player-player action of that sort? The game is full of NPCs you can chase, intercept, destroy.
 
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