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Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].
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I'm the opposite, I'm an extrovert. But I have enough introvert friends to know that interaction 'costs' them. It has to be their own time and choosing. People take energy from them. They're not anti-social necessarily the way some people seem to think. They just need their own space.
And I /always/ feel honoured when an introvert chooses me as a friend. They're willing to pay the price of what their interactions with someone like me costs them.
i'm one of those working hard for our blue haired manga princess in group or solo.. i keep trying to argue the point of a proportional distribution of support for all powers, via all modes.. unfortunately some people are either unable to understand that, or just don't want to hear it.
Robert Maynard
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The likely distribution of effort in Solo / Private Groups would undermine the separatist agenda, therefore it is ignored or attempts are made to refute it.
That's funny because the only way we know what the population is supposed to be is via a bunch of ones and zeroes. If you want to ignore the digital presence of NPCs then you can likewise ignore the digital presence of the population value on the system map.
However, there are thousands, millions, billions of people (NPCs) living in a system, the vast majority of those won't leave the planet or stations. Why do you think you should see them? The population figures don't take PCs into account at all. But let's pretend that they do.
You will very likely never see thousands of players (you can't ever see more than 31 at one time at least), highly unlikely to see millions and you'll never see billions of players in any of those systems. So even without Solo or group we'll never see the systems with a living population as they are portrayed.
However, you can get a sense of a living galaxy because it changes around you without you seeing why. Think of players in Solo as representing those thousands or billions of people living in the system that you will never see or be able to interact with. The teacher who tells her class how great Hudson is causes ripples of influence through the students and their families. The farmers who go on strike cause demand for Animal Meat to go up. The background simulation doesn't reflect those things through dynamic NPCs, it uses the actions of players. Some of those actions and influence you can see and can interact with directly, some indirectly and some not at all.
That's a galaxy that's alive and that you are just one tiny part of.
You're welcome.
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Thx for quoting only part of my text and leaving out the reasons why I consider the galaxy to be alive with cmdrs.
I'm baffled by a fact that you said you are not playing this game anymore and yet you feel the urge to answer every single post.
this.. so much this..
those advocating 'open only' have no real interest in actually understanding and playing this game in full, they just want the ability to force themselves and there particular gamer mentality on every player.
those arguing that solo/group makes the game and things like CG and PP unfair, simply refuse to hear any logical argument to the contrary. that's either an inability to understand basic dynamics, or just wanting to use smoke and mirrors to hide the fact they share the same agenda as the vocal 'open only' crowd.
Thx for quoting only part of my text and leaving out the reasons why I consider the galaxy to be alive with cmdrs.
Why do I need to quote the whole thing? I was responding directly to the quoted part and answering the general point with the rest. You already feel that it's alive with players so there was no need to address that, I was mostly addressing that point of contention namely all modes influencing the universe. The parts leading up to that were giving my comment context rather than directly responding to any part of your post (hence I didn't quote more).
I don't feel any urge to respond to anything, apart from a sense of manners when you address me directly, and what I post where and how often is none of your business nor is it relevant to this thread. I can't help your bafflement either.
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See, this is the kind of language and word choice that reveals your bias/stance far more than just posting.
That is why people respond to you as they do. Your "arguments" are filled with depreciating words.
You are not debating nor arguing.
Is Robert "cheating" then? I have found him to be pretty even-handed and concise in his posts; certainly as compared to anyone posting in this thread. He also gives far more latitude regarding forum/thread postings than many of the other mods.
Most all of the Open-only players lean back on this argument/point. However, most players do not want non-consensual PvP and do not think it's fun. At all. Having choices is what it's all about.
Hopping between the modes is not really the fault of the modes, which are designed to enable people to play the game however they wish, with other people or on their own, but a problem of human nature. Not much is going to counter that.
The arguments keep swinging around that Solo players are undermining Open players because they cannot be physically stopped (read shot), but as has been put forward often, including by David Braben, players in Solo, in PP, balance each other out, so the real argument is simply that they cannot be shot.
I'm sure Solo players don't play solo to spite anyone, and you are correct, there are masses of people playing Open and having great fun. Consensually. And posting videos on Youtube. There are a tiny minority who for some reason seem to want to 'force' their way on everybody else, and frankly, anyone who needs to force or even incentivize (read bribe) others to do something their way probably doesn't have a very strong position, or perhaps have ulterior motives.
This denigrating verbiage and posturing is very adolescent (no matter what your real age is). It's sprinkled throughout almost every "Solo is unfair!" post.
Surprised there was a solo mode? Did you not even check out the game, or the interwebs, before you bought it? Because that was no surprise to almost everyone before they bought the game. After all, it had been in development for several years & had many Twitch streams and reddit posts describing or showing how the game worked.
The most fun I can have in a game has nothing to do with PvP, "forced" ot not.
"The universe is so big" is a lame argument - you can't go to Sag A* and expect to trade there; there's no stations.
"Don't know any MMO etc" - gonna just go back a bit for an example that has been copied over and over and over - Diablo/D2/LoD definitely let you grind up a character in a "solo" mode and bring it into the public modes. I spent a couple years doing exactly that.
Turn it around and ask why so many of the Open-only crowd think that everyone in Solo/Groups is working against them? Do they think we are all pledged to one Power?
whipdiddywhip
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solo should have been proper offline mode
open should be, well as it is now
and groups should be able to be groups in offline or open
the system atm is stupid
open should be, well as it is now
and groups should be able to be groups in offline or open
the system atm is stupid
Robert Maynard
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Well, that's a slight change since you posted:
It's your opinion and you are, of course, entitled to it. Other opinions may vary, however....
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Come on everyone...Kumbaya time...repeat after me....
PvP play is groups collecting PvE trophies against each other!
Stop fighting the obvious...you only cause pain to yourself...and waste time of those that accept the truth!
I keep extending the olive branch...all you have to do is take it!
attempt to sit on two chairs simultaneously, that's what it is. I'm sure the game which offers players such as game modes, and also allows you to switch between them at any time, will not be able to give players a truly interesting ways of interaction. They will always be limited to something very simple, something that you can implement immediately in both modes without any losses. What could it be? Grinding of course, a lot of grinding. And what are the ways? What are the options to create an interactive world with many possibilities, if half of the players play solo. Just think about it. PVP is not just PK. The solo game is NOT a "safe" mode, this is essentially a single player, with the ability to check the results at the end of the week. FD could create hundreds of opportunities for team and collaborative open game. Some missions for wings, with interesting awards and prizes. Security traders, and miners, some.. transportation of goods through dangerous areas, and of course war, hunting down pirates and so on. But why FD to do this? Why would they expand the possibilities of interaction? People just like to grind and carry the vouchers. In solo. They say it's freedom of choice. Freedom inside the cell. Because the range of options is extremely limited, if you want to satisfy at the same time MMO fans and solo players
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Here is one of the gnarly knots of this round-and-round discussion. It is not "other player's actions" that most solo or group players don't want - it is non-consensual PvP. You have the same choice of actions those players do; you just want "moar" because of your own choice as to play method.
I think you may be surprised to realize how many of the older generation who have already dealt with the "things need to be a competition and challenge" crap and realized how much bull it was are against "open only" concept. You seem to forget that not everyone is the same, you may like competition and challenge, yet I do not. I wonder how old you are and what you were taught in school that led you to think everyone should strive for certain things.
You really don't have a point and spoken like a true extrovert. "I dont' understand you so i'm going to force you to do things my way until you have fun like you should be having."
Again..a certain extrovert attitude, "I love this, everyone should." And I know everyone does not want to gank in Open, so let me put it to you this way. I don't swim in the ocean yet others do. Sometimes rarely those that do are attacked by sharks. Now most out on the water have a blast and a lot of fun.. but every once in a while.. shark. In a different ocean I did venture out, and guess what.. shark. So now I prefer to swim in pools and lakes and such. Sometiems by my self, sometimes I swim with others. And I don't have to worry about the sharks.
Jeffryan thank you. I wish my brother was like you instead of the, "Your only an introvert because you don't go outside" and "I'm going to force you to have fun." type.
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