I'm glad you said 'almost', because heroic it most definitely ain't!
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For those lamenting no "offline" mode...there are still the games "Asteroids" and "Missile Command"...the rest of us who hunger for a more realistic space sim will stick with online play in David Braben's more realistic version.
Salute Commanders,
And that sir, is EXACTLY what the "I want you to be my target" crowd does not get. Given the chance, soooooo many players would not be in their game if offline mode was present. I would also hazard to guess that a great many more would leave online and go to offline mode after they were continously blown up, that after a while, the pew pew crowd would find themselves in their own group anyway. Maybe always the ignorant newbie, until they learn, but definitely LESS targets for them.
Now, as I said before. When FD, without gimping solo or group, gives me incentive,(like persistent, severe, deadly, bounties for murderers,(OR pirates turned murderer),to play open, I WILL be there. Until a miner/trader/explorer stops being less than target practice for the pew pew crowd, you can bet your house, wife and children safely that I will not venture into open.
And that right there opens up the food chain. Pirate pirates trader-gets bounty. Bounty hunters hunt pirates-get reward.
Pirates stick to LOW security systems.(Please stop calling them anarchies in this version of Elite. They are Low Security, Medium Security, and High Security.) In (maybe) medium security systems, but definitely high security systems, system police are something to be feared. But the prices have to match to make the low sec places to go
Keep dreaming. Too bad FD doesn't disclose infomation about what percentage of players play in which modes, but it wouldn't amaze me if the vast majority never left solo mode, other than by accidentaly clicking their launch button before selecting the proper mode.or they can just make a 4th option. Solo/Private/Open/Open-only . Once on you cant change
guarantee tons of people who swap reguarly will want to go there, why? Cause nobody is grinding credits to kill npcs faster, everyone eventually wants to go open once they are built up
Going into conspiracy theory here, but one thing that crossed my mind is that Frontier feared enough players would stay offline to put into jeopardy their idea of a galaxy influenced by player actions.
Which might be another reason for them to not put any restrictions on solo mode influencing the galaxy, or in mode switching. If solo has even close to as many players favoring it as I expect, open would see a marked drop in the number of players if mode switching was ever restricted, and the galaxy simulation would need to be completely re-tuned in order to feel in any way responsive (and the smaller number of players influencing it would make for a less stable, more random feeling galaxy development). But, since Frontier doesn't release numbers, this is and will remain pure conjecture.
Couldn't have put it better if I tried.
Precisely....I have no desire to be forced into non-consensual pvp. I had my fill of that in Jumpgate and we can all see how that game turned out. So yes I would not have throw any moola at FD had there been no solo or private group modes. I think I wouldn't have been alone in that and as a result FD would be poorer for it. Just look at that stink raised when offline was scrapped.
Open doesn't make it one smidgen more realistic than solo....the only difference in the two is that complete lack of the pew pew lot...with nowhere near the level of punishment that should be dealt out to the killers and thieves. Make it so those types are KOS by every faction police force and only safe to lurk about in anarchy systems THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT A MORE REALISTIC SPACE sim. Not only unwelcome with a violent response but hunted down to be eradicated as long as they remain in faction systems...then we can talk realism. But then I can only surmise that the pew pew would start screaming that they are being persecuted....imagine that.
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or they can just make a 4th option. Solo/Private/Open/Open-only . Once on you cant change
guarantee tons of people who swap reguarly will want to go there, why? Cause nobody is grinding credits to kill npcs faster, everyone eventually wants to go open once they are built up
Ummm.. I don't.
or they can just make a 4th option. Solo/Private/Open/Open-only . Once on you cant change
guarantee tons of people who swap reguarly will want to go there, why? Cause nobody is grinding credits to kill npcs faster, everyone eventually wants to go open once they are built up
Ummm.. I don't.
Are you sure, can you double check please, because if you are sure that you don't want to go into open then underlined quote above must be incorrect.
Unless the definition of "everyone" has recently changed OFC.
or they can just make a 4th option. Solo/Private/Open/Open-only . Once on you cant change
guarantee tons of people who swap reguarly will want to go there, why? Cause nobody is grinding credits to kill npcs faster, everyone eventually wants to go open once they are built up
A big negatory there Daf...
I have never and will not ever go into open even if I had an Anaconda in every system in every station.
So by guaranteeing that tons of people would swap to a open only is writing a check you don't have the funds to cover...
I don't know about Faded Glory but I just checked my cupboards and under the bed. I even asked my friend. Apparently neither of us are interested in Open, regardless of how "built up" we ever get to be. It's a bit of a shock, I know. I might have to have a lay down.
(Edit: At one point I thought I might try Open occasionally, but honestly, with some of the sorts of people I've seen who play it - although I knew in my gut that they would be there - I now know that I really won't. I would not willingly choose to spend any of my time with them, in life or in game.)
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or they can just make a 4th option. Solo/Private/Open/Open-only . Once on you cant change
guarantee tons of people who swap reguarly will want to go there, why? Cause nobody is grinding credits to kill npcs faster, everyone eventually wants to go open once they are built up
If they made an open only option I think it could work..... So long as CMDRS COULD swap between n open and open only.
The reason I think this is vital and also no downside IMO is that I persuaded a number of friends to buy base on co op play and I know many on here did. some of my mates are devout soloists and will only be teaming up with real friends. Others are more likely to play in open....and may even be tempted with open only, tho I actually doubt it but you never know!
IMO if you have open players allowed into open only so long as they have never gone in open it may work I guess tho I still think it would be fairly empty.... But that is no concern for me.
All that being said I think they need to get the actual promised modes working 1st (ironman)
Yes, I'm quite sure. I did play open some in beta, hardly saw anyone. Now I'm quite happy with my small fleet of ships (including a Vulture) to play the game I want to play on my own with the wonderful galaxy that FD have given us. I'm pretty content with the human contact I have in real life, and frankly, the comms in ED are a bit clunky anyway, unless I suppose I started talking to my PC, and my wife already thinks I must be mad.
Ummm.. I don't.
Damn it I wish I had been so thorough in my checks, let me take another look in the name of science.
OK.
I can confirm I have retested using your vastly expanded parameters, refined my search and have been enlightened a little, I will display my results.
1) Searching under my bed (I missed this option initially), I found the following:
a) Some dust, cat hair & a sleeping cat (note to self, hoover under bed, when cat is out, cat retribution can be severe)
b) A big green bag, full of green clothing.
c) Some pictures of me, in the same bag as b, wearing the mentioned green clothing, along with many other people wearing green clothing carrying guns, pictures of green helicopters etc, I must have liked green back then.
d) A reminder of why I get annoyed about people throwing around the word "Coward" in relation to how I spend my time playing with pixels in space.
2) The friends I asked suggested I phone back when sober, despite confirming I was sober and asking again they were still unable to help (note to self, check they own ED before asking them about it
)3) The cupboard, that's where I messed up, hidden behind a few tins of baked beans I found the answer on an old post it note, it said "When FD get more of the things the in game that were discussed in Beta & before, when PKing has consequences, when the game is working as promised, PVP being "rare & meaningful" as DBOBE said it would, Safe systems safe, unsafe systems more unsafe, when you get the game you bought.... look again at open.....)
When FD catch up with themselves and get the game to where it should be, the game DBOBE described, the game I bought based on that description, I might well look at open again, I doubt it will happen soon though.
PLEASE, FD, the game is not working as you envisaged right now, because PVP is possible some think its what ED is about, the core of the game. Please consider:
FD should be able to replicate Mobius, link it to the menu & call it "OPEN PVE", Mobius only had to boot 4 people ever, FD could run PVE on the same honour system, 1 tick box "I agree if I attack another CMDR in PVE outside of a combat zone, with the said CMDR having chosen the other faction I will pay the full costs of my mistake, not be allowed to join that group again & suffer 50 lashes (ok maybe a week in PK hell or solo). FD have the data to make it work & ensure it is free of problems from day 1.
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Yes, I'm quite sure. I did play open some in beta, hardly saw anyone. Now I'm quite happy with my small fleet of ships (including a Vulture) to play the game I want to play on my own with the wonderful galaxy that FD have given us. I'm pretty content with the human contact I have in real life, and frankly, the comms in ED are a bit clunky anyway, unless I suppose I started talking to my PC, and my wife already thinks I must be mad.
Well that's good, the definition I was refuting is clearly wrong, thanks for checking & confirming
I also played open during Beta & never had any problems, well apart from the red hollow triangle I tried to say hi to in Freeport once, wont do that again
.I tend to play late so apart from the odd OH **** as I splatter my Asp all over the station I try to keep voice to a minimum, if I wake up the wife at 1 am my I might have my pilots licence revoked, or if I am lucky just my flying hours curtailed. Now that's something I don't want to take a chance on.
Yes, being called a coward because of how I like to play a computer game...
I'm sure all the NPC's I dispatch in my Vulture (yes, I know they are so easy compared to real people) think I'm a horrible coward for destroying them time after time... Yes Beastly Fido, I am talking about you! Personally though, and seriously, I don't care to mess up other peoples play because of the way I want to play this game, and neither do I wish to enhance someone else's play, particularly as a non consensual target. As I said before, I don't play this game to meet people, and that is not a reflection on the people, just my way of looking at computer games.You are right, some people (on these forums) seem to think that PvP is the intended way for this game to be played. Personally, I don't think it it is, I think it's an option that FD included because it's a valid (possibly even expected) form for games to take in this day and age, but the different modes and ability to switch modes is a pretty strong indication that it is simply a possible mode of play, and not necessarily the preferred one.
I did for a while think about how it might be in an open world where traders hired wingmen to escort their convoys and protect them from pirates, but the truth of the matter is that apart from groups of friends who coordinate the times that they play, most people are online at different times or for different amounts of time, so developing those groups is probably not very practical.
I am absolutely certain that I will never, ever play in Open. I find even the remotest possibility of being involved in PvP utterly boring, tedious, dull, dreary, monotonous and ghastly. I'm happy for others to Pvp, but diversity means that there need to be separate groups.
Cheers, Phos.
Cheers, Phos.
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