"The Stones"

Or it is not crash at all.
We do not known how they are build they structures. But central part of it pretty aligned with center part of the ships so. May be bad attempt to seed structure?

A crash is any landing you can not walk away from.
So this was a crash.

For the sake of completeness, I have turned in all the information at Chukchan in the hopes it would trigger the interest of Benjamin Chester, but he seems quite happy in his retirement. 🧐

Also, HIP 33386 and HIP 39748 contain several planets with geological features. That could mean they were actually looking for something there, barnacles perhaps.
Or that they picked these because the would make a good cover story for a geo mission.
 
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It's possible it could be a Vigenere cipher with a custom grid, where the punctuation allows room for a few capital letters in a string that's mostily lower case. It is possible to crack such keys using character frequency and period analysis. Frequency analysis doesn't always produce a perfect key, but chances are you will get enough characters correct to start seeing a message, if you understand how Vinegere works and move through it one char at a time after finding the period...

Ok I spent a couple of hours today giving this a crack and I see nothing to dissuade me from thinking it's a plain substitution cipher – just substitution ciphers are hard to crack! Especially as we have digits, spaces and punctuation which will mess with the frequency analysis (I very much agree with @alterNERDtive's comments on this). The fact that the RT and 4. digraphs occur throughout points away from Vigenere imo.
 
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I think youve had the wrong attitude for some time so yes probably best to give up.

or you coud look at the puzzle. You say you have been to 2 sites the K & A class, but wilfully ignore the 3rd log and M class in the logs and the actual dates in the logs which tell you the order it happened, instead picking out the 27th for some reason and trying to criticise it when there is no associated log for that date...that you have so far?

how did 'this reference' to a geo station suddenly become relevant? Maybe if you finished it youd find out.

You have a reference to CSN, you have a 300 LY distance from one point, you know the date and the star class from the log....and yet you ignore all this and spend time moaning on the forums, yes give up, give up now.
My, you've got a smart mouth on you...

You have me completely wrong pal. I've spent days on this. I have put in a significant amount of time getting the maths right (yes, resurrecting 40 year old memories of O levels, doing maths rather than just trying to guess distances and keep a straight line in the very inaccurate galmap) to find the K class LP, and then using the same technique to work the other way and locate the Sidewinder at the A class. I have all the logs and have read them thoroughly thanks. And I'm fully aware of the timeline.

Yes I have a reference to CSN but no intermediate location, either before or after the nebula, to plot a line through from HIP 69200 to match up with an M class at the relevant distance in the CSN (which given the simplest approach, and likely to be similar to the others, is a straight line jump at the distances given) in this case 300ly. I presume you have looked at the number of M class in the CSN? Rather a large number eh?

In the absence of this information one would expect the LP data to reveal some sort of clue, just something to narrow it down, not necessarily point a big yellow arrow at it. The fact that it doesn't and appears to be undecipherable is my main problem with the whole process. It smacks of not very well thought through game design that relies on out of game knowledge and hints in livestreams. That it comes down potentially to a mass search is not good gameplay.

As to 'wilfully' ignoring the middle log entry for the M class, well of course not, that's what all this is about, I have been asking questions around the whole subject. The information in the M class log entry only has any further value once you have found the M class. In the same way that flailing around looking for a K class with 11 planets would be futile until one had narrowed down the search area for the K class.

I've not published my every step on here for all to comment on, therefore you have no idea of my train of thought, process or progress. I have spent far less time 'moaning' as you have it, than actually doing the legwork. But hey, points to you for selectively quoting me.

If you must know my questions related to the 27th were as a result of posts on the forum a few days ago, I was still catching up having chosen to do the legwork myself. In those posts I saw references to logs from Carver on the 27th from the survey post, and was asking a simple question. From this I concluded that this was the survey post referred to in the Ghost Ship log, nothing more. I'm certainly not criticising it.

There, you have the full story. Happy now? If you want, tell me exactly how you completed the whole thing, start to finish. I'll wait.
 
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The problem with all the online versions I found is that they only use A-Z as the alphabet. It seems likely that the LP message alphabet includes .+-: and space.
When I started it looked like it might be a simple cipher but just with those characters added into the mix. But it doesn't seem so.


At this point, I think it probably can't be decoded without knowing the encryption algorithm and key.

I'm disappointed in this puzzle. I got together with a couple friends on the weekend to try to solve it by avoiding spoilers, but it doesn't seem like it can be solved by individual players following the clues and instead it requires a mass search effort which basically mean that most players can only just read about the solution in the forums (which is what we ended up doing). Which is just not very interesting.

This is a neat website someone posted in "the other thread": https://cryptii.com/ but it doesn't have any functionality for cycling through permutations or matching to a dictionary; it's only good for trying out guesses "by hand". Remember there are ~40! possible keys (– that's a pretty big number) and if you even have a few characters out of place it's probably not going to much resemble what it should. The fact we will almost certainly have more digits than in normal English cropping up within the most frequent characters – with little way of knowing where digits vs. letters are going to appear – makes it a pretty tricky task.
 

From: 3125AD "Rumours abound that Quirium fuel was reverse engineered from captured Thargoid vessels."

So are we investigating the invention of "Quirium" fuel and the "Hyperspace Type 1" systems?

The Adamastor is dated 3106AD
 
on out of game knowledge and hints in livestreams.

They consider it a multi-media game. The bit you do on the monitor is the vast majority. It annoys me too that its not all in game....but they designed it and I paid for it afterwards.

If the clues are too hard for me I dont blame the game, I just accept its too hard for me or Im not clever enough, but someone is and will be.

The game is not single player. The riddles especially are not single player. Some of them are designed to be solved by the community as a whole..

And yes it would have taken a bit longer if Jmanis hadnt woken up on the right planet, but there were dozens of us out there already and had been pointed out, we suspected Thargs which means Ammonia worlds and there aint many of them....and CSN is one of the smaller Nebula. Someone suggested couple of hours with everyone searching, on the LS they said the same, they expected us to take a couple of hours to get there....as a community.

You 'know' about a log on the 27th when you 'shouldnt' have that info yet so ofc it doesnt make sense. Thats not bad game design, you just dont have the full story yet. So ignore the 27th and the Geo survey until it makes sense or you find it in game. Or just ask for the system if you stuck with the info you do have, or ask for hints based on what you do know. Dont just blame the game design and say its impossible, but it clearly isnt but it clearly isnt a single player mission either.
 

From: 3125AD "Rumours abound that Quirium fuel was reverse engineered from captured Thargoid vessels."

So are we investigating the invention of "Quirium" fuel and the "Hyperspace Type 1" systems?

The Adamastor is dated 3106AD

I see, 3125 was the 1984 original game time in lore. So it comes from that timeline. However, it is still fan lore based on what had been in all the games and not official lore I think and was often retconned or ignored by the game. Also:

This is an archive of Drew Wagar‘s lore guide, available here with his kind permission. Drew is no longer actively maintaining his lore pages, and they may not be accurate post v2.4 of Elite Dangerous.

Its not up to date. Dunno how much has been retconned but sometimes it feels like its happening all the time.

So it may be an accurate in current lore version, which means this event actually backs up the Quirium theory or its been retconned out of being useful any more. And seeing as Frontier aint got a lore page as such we will just have to keep guessing and trying to keep up with it all. Sometimes its just convenient for ED to ignore old lore and it tried to write its own or reset it at the start.....then it got retconned....and maybe just has again.

One lore is that The Club has been lying to humanity for centuries, so possible that retcons are 'the truth' coming out in lore. Would explain why Frontier wouldnt comment usually either.
 
You 'know' about a log on the 27th when you 'shouldnt' have that info yet so ofc it doesnt make sense. Thats not bad game design, you just dont have the full story yet. So ignore the 27th and the Geo survey until it makes sense or you find it in game. Or just ask for the system if you stuck with the info you do have, or ask for hints based on what you do know. Dont just blame the game design and say its impossible, but it clearly isnt but it clearly isnt a single player mission either.

Yes re 27th, that's obvious now, but as I said, at the time I was only trying to rule it out in case it was a clue I had missed at the very beginning of the process. It's now discounted.

I'm fully aware of the multiplayer aspect of the game having done more BGS than I care to remember amongst other things. It's just so annoying that the puzzles which have been missing from the game for so long still need a cast of thousands to complete when they start up again. There's no middle ground to allow personal narrative in a challenging way for those players who don't want to or can't work in groups or just need a game away from the group. Not expecting an I win button either. But if the first parts of this puzzle were capable of being completed as individuals, then the whole thing should, not just come up against a metaphorical brick wall. If it was intended just for the community then the difficulty should have been set that hard at the beginning.

In fact I remember that sometime around 3.0 coming out that FDev removed a lot of station herald type posts which were absolutely crucial to solving some of the older puzzles. It was as though they had decided, well they've all been solved and people have moved on, and anyone who hasn't done them can read about it on Canonn. Some of those that remained were subtly but unintentionally broken in small ways. It could all have been moved to the Codex, another squandered opportunity.
 
Now now guys, lets keep this civil eh. Everyone has been hard at work on this, unfortunately we have not yet cracked this thing. Only a matter of time until we do.

D2EA and Canonn are still going strong at trying to work this out too.

Keep calm.. and carry on. And all that.

🤪 < this is me. Dont be like me. Or should i say:

😁 < this was me before the LP.
🤪 < me after the LP.
 
Now now guys, lets keep this civil eh. Everyone has been hard at work on this, unfortunately we have not yet cracked this thing. Only a matter of time until we do.

D2EA and Canonn are still going strong at trying to work this out too.

Keep calm.. and carry on. And all that.

🤪 < this is me. Dont be like me. Or should i say:

😁 < this was me before the LP.
🤪 < me after the LP.
That was me before the LP and the Sidewinder. Couldn't remember how to do the equation of a line. I blame Henry Meoles personally, even though he's been dead 500 years.
 
tbf as we havent cracked the LP we dont know how simple or complex the solution is. A simple one kept us guessing for 2 years before. It doesnt look simple, but they never do until solved. Mind you one involved Braille so I dont know either way.

DB originally said that everything should be solvable with pen and paper (ignore the UA audio)....but then Bletchley Park used that before the computer so doesnt mean I can reproduce it but Im assuming that still stands with this code and that someone can, if anyone can, Canon can. If we dont get it Im sure we'll get some sort of hint sooner or later.
 
My understanding is that Hyper Jump Technology that Adamastor was using can either be:
  • The Faraway Jump system which can still be operational since we still have GalCop in this era and there is no mention of it being retired in the official lore,
  • The Quirium Drive, or
  • The Tritium Drive we use in Fleet Carriers which doesn't have a date of the invention anywhere in the lore.
Any suggestion to rule any of these out?
 
1. Thing I don't get: according to rumors they could fly 370ly years initially. K star is 345ly away. So far so good. How they got further? Or if they could recharge - then how knowing of fuel amount could help us to solve then?
2. Broken codex.
3. Broken beacon.
4. Using twitter.

All that seems like fast made commercial without deep. Maybe you should just try something really dumb instead doing math? I'm not sure though, that 4 reasons were enough to not bother for me. Just checking once a day if solved here :D
P.S. all way points were HIP stars. So if any more way points exists I guess that will be HIP again.
 
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1. Thing I don't get: according to rumors they could fly 370ly years initially. K star is 345ly away. So far so good. How they got further? Or if they could recharge - then how knowing of fuel amount could help us to solve then?
It will make sense if Adamastor used the Tritium Drive and was capable of refueling at icy rings very rapidly. Can it be that looking for tritium hotspots is a good way to find out the exact path Adamastor took, and the path it was planning to take?
 
It will make sense if Adamastor used the Tritium Drive and was capable of refueling at icy rings very rapidly. Can it be that looking for tritium hotspots is a good way to find out the exact path Adamastor took, and the path it was planning to take?
It's logical inconsistency. It could refuel or it couldn't.
1. It could: then it could refuel any time on the route, how initial fuel amount helps us?
2. It couldn't: how it continued the way?

But if you suppose somebody helped em like Captain America, then you can suppose anything and don't bother with math. :D
Also all hints (out of HIP stars) are +/- on same surface as destination, i.e. does not use 3D heavy.
So that make me think they just draw something on paper without deep thinking, so it should not have deep math behind.

Something like here

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg
 
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It's logical inconsistency. It could refuel or it couldn't.
1. It could: then it could refuel any time on the route, how initial fuel amount helps us?
2. It couldn't: how it continued the way?

But if you suppose somebody helped em like Captain America, then you can suppose anything and don't bother with math. :D
Also all hints (out of HIP stars) are +/- on same surface as destination, i.e. does not use 3D heavy.
So that make me think they just draw something on paper without deep thinking, so it should not have deep math behind.

Something like here

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg
I get your point, but one thing is for sure. If they refueled, they refueled somewhere they can refuel. And if you're thinking Tritium is ubiquitous, it's not. You need a hotspot or at least an icy ring.

And BTW, I came to Synuefe XE-Y C17-7 3 where the LP is, and confirmed that there is a Tritium hotspot here.
 
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My, you've got a smart mouth on you...

You have me completely wrong pal. I've spent days on this. I have put in a significant amount of time getting the maths right (yes, resurrecting 40 year old memories of O levels, doing maths rather than just trying to guess distances and keep a straight line in the very inaccurate galmap) to find the K class LP, and then using the same technique to work the other way and locate the Sidewinder at the A class. I have all the logs and have read them thoroughly thanks. And I'm fully aware of the timeline.

Yes I have a reference to CSN but no intermediate location, either before or after the nebula, to plot a line through from HIP 69200 to match up with an M class at the relevant distance in the CSN (which given the simplest approach, and likely to be similar to the others, is a straight line jump at the distances given) in this case 300ly. I presume you have looked at the number of M class in the CSN? Rather a large number eh?

In the absence of this information one would expect the LP data to reveal some sort of clue, just something to narrow it down, not necessarily point a big yellow arrow at it. The fact that it doesn't and appears to be undecipherable is my main problem with the whole process. It smacks of not very well thought through game design that relies on out of game knowledge and hints in livestreams. That it comes down potentially to a mass search is not good gameplay.

As to 'wilfully' ignoring the middle log entry for the M class, well of course not, that's what all this is about, I have been asking questions around the whole subject. The information in the M class log entry only has any further value once you have found the M class. In the same way that flailing around looking for a K class with 11 planets would be futile until one had narrowed down the search area for the K class.

I've not published my every step on here for all to comment on, therefore you have no idea of my train of thought, process or progress. I have spent far less time 'moaning' as you have it, than actually doing the legwork. But hey, points to you for selectively quoting me.

If you must know my questions related to the 27th were as a result of posts on the forum a few days ago, I was still catching up having chosen to do the legwork myself. In those posts I saw references to logs from Carver on the 27th from the survey post, and was asking a simple question. From this I concluded that this was the survey post referred to in the Ghost Ship log, nothing more. I'm certainly not criticising it.

There, you have the full story. Happy now? If you want, tell me exactly how you completed the whole thing, start to finish. I'll wait.

Oh my God, it's happening again, we're turning on each other ! ! !
Get it out, get it out, throw it out the airloc.


But seriously guys, we know what the message should contain.
The 30 oct log contains: Outpost latittude 11.86...
Now I didn't jot down the coordinates of the outpost, but I bet someone did.

The message also specifies the target system, either by name or coordinates
  • SYNUEFE XE-Y C17-7 or
  • 218.78125 / -102.4375 / -279.34375
But also, the logs says: "Entering system with a single M class star. Heading... metal body...
And 3 A is an icy body . . . :unsure:
 
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