Ehm.. I'm not sure such DLC would be € 30,-. Could easily be 40-50. (the marine pack for ZT and ZT2 were also really expensive compared to the base game)
I don't see why animals from PZ (like seals/penguins if they add it) wouldn't be included in another marine game. Maybe a bit cheeky but if you already have PZ in your steam library - you have access to those animals as well? And I'm thinking from a business POV a bit more and a new game fits that POV better.
Oh, that could be of course, as I already said it might depend how they add them, either in a big pack or maybe 2 or 3 smaller marine packs. I would totally love a big pack for marine animals with seals, otters, penguins, orcas, dolphins, belugas etc. But considering how the past DLC were, I dont really see it. So I think they might do at least to packs, one for example with seals, sea lions, sea otters and penguins and then the other fully cetacean with orcas, belugas, a kind of smaller dolphin and maybe a porpoise. Though neither of the first mentioned animals would have to be in a marine pack at all, they would also fit others. Anyways, thats why I think it would at least be a bit cheaper as a pack than a new game. As you said it may be wrong, though. But who knows? A big pack would be more expensive of course, but if it were more smaller ones with important features already added before, it could come out become a cheaper than a fully new game - which could also be well over 60€.
I cant really say anything about the prices of the old ZT games, as I never played the first and 2 only for a kinda short time a long time after it was already released. More about Wildlife Park, but while I really enjoyed the series you cant really compare it to PZ at all
(though penguins, seals and so on would not even have to be in a clasical marine animals DLC by default, maybe an Antarctica pack could do)
But it would still take alot longer than a DLC, thats for sure.
I am not sure if you misunderstood me or I misunderstand you now, but what I mean is not, that they would not be in a new game, but because of the new game they would not be in PZ at all. I think that would even make sense, as if Frontier now decided to make a Planet Aquaria/Planet Marine Park, they could spare the work to make seals, sea lions, otters, penguins etc. work in PZ. Considering these are all highly demanded animals for PZ, if they decided not to include them in PZ at all, but only in the new game, they could gain alot more new customers for it. Because then not only those of us who would have liked cetaceans and/or fish would have to buy the new game, but also those who had "just" wanted semi-aquatic animals.
In my own business point of view this makes lots of sense. Its probaly how I would do it if I was in charge, as you could get a lot more people to buy this game then. Alot probaly wouldnt buy it if they already had seals (and so on) in PZ.
Thats why I fear if Frontier is now up to the idea of making a new separate game, we might not get either for PZ.
Though I still also think that with a DLC for PZ Frontier could still save a lot more time/staff/money and make alot more money aswell than with a new game. Sure, all of that could be totally wrong and maybe you are right, but thats at least how I view the business point.
And because of that I still think the better option would be to add them in a DLC for PZ and not a new game. Though if I had to chose between a new game for them and not having them at all, I will od course chose the new game^^
That's why I didn't mentioned the RL situation. To me, that's a different discussion. I just think the general view on these matters is that dolphins are more acceptable/popular. Dolphins have a good public image (tv shows). And for example: the movie Free Willy was about releasing a captive Orca to the wild and another Orca movie is a bit more Jaws. And the other name - Killer Whale doesn't help either
And there's an organisation for a lot of animals, majority of people don't care about those organisations or never heard of them.
Yeah, I dont like the real life stuff here either, but in that case I hardly know what to say to your argument because in my point of view its a kinda weird and rather about real life (or maybe I misunderstand what you really mean.) Those who are against orcas in PZ for real life reasons, are also against all dolphins in the game at all. Also I would disagree with your view that orcas dont have a good public image nowadays. They are loved by many. And from what I saw from here, but also other places like reddit, youtube, steam a German fan forum and more, many people would love orcas in PZ.
And anyways if it would be true what you say - that orcas dont have a good image even currently, then in my opinion this is an even better argument to add them in PZ, to teach people more about them and make them change this view
Though I still keep my opinion that the overall PZ community would be fine with having orcas in the game.
(And wasnt Flipper a free/wild dolphin in the show? Its long ago since I saw it, but I think he was - only in the show, of course)
I'm not talking only about size but habitat needs as well (X/Y/Z) and the overall size of the habitat (agree with Kaan - they shouldn't over-exaggerate those) but they need a lot of space.
Okay, got it
Sounded like just the size of the animal would already be a problem, even without the habitat size considered.
I agree Frontier would totally have to find a good compromise between doing orcas "justice" but also keep them enjoy-able for the players. (If they do them at all
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a minimum depth of 15m would be fine.
Hmm, I would even say 20m would be better^^ At least in my opinion. But hey, if they decided for 15m I guess that would be also fine^^ I would probaly make it 30 meters anyways.
I honestly have to say that I find the space needed for almost all animals in the game kinda weird already anyways. Sometimes I have habitats which I think myself are already overcrowded, but then I see in their needs that their habitat is still (at least, often even more) twice as big as they need. So yeah, I kind of wonder about the space needs of many animals since the beta...
it's not really about the water filters, it's about the game itself. they need to change their color. or new water type such as ocean water can be added to the game.
Yeah, I also think a new water type would be a good solution