The Wings discussion thread

[commander adam]

If the "solo players" are really so opposed to getting involved with other players in the world... That's kinda lame... if the "solo player" doesn't believe or look forward to trying to take a group of 3-4 npc on their own. You don't even stand a chance against 1 player. Stick to solo mode or find a different game. The whines of the "solo player" wanted to dump the game down and have no community interaction. I say pick up astroid destroyer or perhaps xplane 10 there's a game with no risks at all. I look forward to trying to defeat a wing of npc. A wing of players well. You just run lol. Either way it will be really fun.

I'm not really sure what the complaint is. What I read is "I'm really scared and I'm not good enought to take down more than 1 eagle at a time"

Perhaps the "solo player" should learn to make some friends.

I've also heard the "solo player" may be able to hire npc wingmen. That would be something for the "solo player"

 

[Cody]

<sighs> Oh dear!

 

[Malak'kai]

As long as they allow us to hire NPC's for the purposes of wing formation it shouldn't be an issue. Hopefully they are implementing that. . .or else it could get real bloody for traders.
I'm an open player I've just had the fortunate/unfortunate (?) luck of not running into enough commanders to form a wing

 

[Egan]

If the "solo players" are really so opposed to getting involved with other players in the world... That's kinda lame... if the "solo player" doesn't believe or look forward to trying to take a group of 3-4 npc on their own. You don't even stand a chance against 1 player. Stick to solo mode or find a different game. The whines of the "solo player" wanted to dump the game down and have no community interaction. I say pick up astroid destroyer or perhaps xplane 10 there's a game with no risks at all. I look forward to trying to defeat a wing of npc. A wing of players well. You just run lol. Either way it will be really fun.

I'm not really sure what the complaint is. What I read is "I'm really scared and I'm not good enought to take down more than 1 eagle at a time"

Perhaps the "solo player" should learn to make some friends.

I've also heard the "solo player" may be able to hire npc wingmen. That would be something for the "solo player"

I AM sticking to solo mode. The 1.2 changes will affect us as well as everyone else. The Wings system isn't just switched off when we're playing in a different mode.

 

[Drakkir]

I AM sticking to solo mode. The 1.2 changes will affect us as well as everyone else. The Wings system isn't just switched off when we're playing in a different mode.

WELLLLLL, we don't honestly know if that's true or not yet... It's possible, that it does deactivate for solo.. Would be simplest solution to the thread...

 

[Egan]

As long as they allow us to hire NPC's for the purposes of wing formation it shouldn't be an issue. Hopefully they are implementing that. . .or else it could get real bloody for traders.
I'm an open player I've just had the fortunate/unfortunate (?) luck of not running into enough commanders to form a wing

But that's another issue. The game was supposed to be about the individual pilot in their ship. This has been used as the justification saying no to several community mooted features. If we are talking about having to hire NPC ships just to simply fly about, it's moved from that individual pilot to some sort of dubious fleet management thing.

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WELLLLLL, we don't honestly know if that's true or not yet... It's possible, that it does deactivate for solo.. Would be simplest solution to the thread...

You're right, of course. It may well be that it will be turned off for solo. But given that in every case where there have been changes mooted for open alone, FD have shot them down. I'm not going to hold my breath. If it did happen, I imagine there would be a great deal of justified outrage from open players who don't want to have to deal with wings - NPC or otherwise.

 

[Roybe]

So solo IS supposed to be easy mode?!?! Not according to the devs. It's supposed to be as challenging as playing alone in Open, without the PC's. I think some people might have forgotten what the original was like. When you flew, you could die. EVERY time out. Many flights had multiple fights.

It's not that single players are not liked, or wanted. It's just that the game isn't finished yet and is being improved to be what it is supposed to be....right? I understand this correctly, right?

 

[Jumpin' Jack Flash]

It could be bad news for lone-wolf players, wherever they play.

Damn!....Anybody know how I can fit a rear gun turret to the nice new shiny Orca I've just bought?....
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Jack

 

[Defacto]

I say: Bring on the difficulty. I think we Cmdrs need to be taught some humility. Some Palladium traders need to be busted, some player pirates to be blasted, some bounty hunters need to see enemies that bite back. I haven't lost my ship once since before christmas.

 

[commander adam]

I know FD promised a single player mode in kick start... but that would kinda imply a campaign of some kinda. Not a opt out of multi player easy mode.

Solo play will be the death of ED and its such a shame since we sifi fans have waited so long for something of this quality to come.

In this gaming era a game cannot survive with out a strong community and ever evolving gameplay. They need to bring us together not sit us down in a corner and play by yourself.

Why would you want to take such a succes of a game and turn it into euro truck driver.

Did it ever occur to the solo space trucker that they could possibly meet some cool ppl? That also space truck? And the wings update could allow all of you to form a convoy. Share knowledge of good opportunity?

That doesn't sound fun to you?!?!

I just don't get it!!!

 

[Stewart_]

Adam -> No, you don't . At all.

did it ever occur to you that some people like just solo games over multi player games?

Elite gives you the option of both.

Additionally, some people play solo due to Internet bandwidth issues. Solo play uses a lot less data than Open.

 

[Wizaerd]

What'll happen is that real players who form these wings will complain how easy everything is because they have four people fighting whomever. So the devs will make it harder, and harder in order to balance the combat and gameplay for multiple people. The people who prefer to play alone will either be forced to play with others, or seek another game. And this is complete and utter crap.

 

[Tinman]

If solo players have no chance to do much of anything if everyone, NPCs included, are now running around in groups of 4, and some with multiple groups of 4, then the solo player is immediately outclassed and outgunned.

What is your argument here?

That the possibility of being attacked by multiple enemies at once isn't compatible with a single player experience?

 

[AH_ImADot]

If the "solo players" are really so opposed to getting involved with other players in the world... That's kinda lame... if the "solo player" doesn't believe or look forward to trying to take a group of 3-4 npc on their own. You don't even stand a chance against 1 player. Stick to solo mode or find a different game. The whines of the "solo player" wanted to dump the game down and have no community interaction. I say pick up astroid destroyer or perhaps xplane 10 there's a game with no risks at all. I look forward to trying to defeat a wing of npc. A wing of players well. You just run lol. Either way it will be really fun.

I'm not really sure what the complaint is. What I read is "I'm really scared and I'm not good enought to take down more than 1 eagle at a time"

Perhaps the "solo player" should learn to make some friends.

I've also heard the "solo player" may be able to hire npc wingmen. That would be something for the "solo player"

What a condescending stream of crap. Get over yourself and quit looking down your nose at the Solo (lone wolf) players.

 

[Wizaerd]

What is your argument here?

That the possibility of being attacked by multiple enemies at once isn't compatible with a single player experience?

If everything is balanced for groups of players, then no, it will not be compatible with a single player experience. It will be an un-winnable fight each and every time because it'll be balanced for multiple players working together.

 

[Tinman]

IF EVERYTHING is balanced for groups of players, then no, it will not be compatible with a single player experience. It will be an un-winnable fight each and every time because it'll be balanced for multiple players working together.

That's a pretty big if you got there!

Why assume that will be the case?

Being interdicted by NPCs is currently extremely easy to deal with in regards to combat unless it happens to be one of the bigger ships in the game and even then it's often just a matter of boosting away without any major risk to you as a player. It's always just one single ship. While entering signal sources, conflict zones, nav beacons, RES and other areas you can already be attacked by several NPC ships at once. I haven't really seen anyone complaining about that. All this means is that you might come across events like this now while being interdicted too. Something that BTW also happened in the previous games...you often got attacked by several ships at once back then too.

There will also be more dangerous areas in 1.2 you can enter after scanning them down and making a choice. I don't see how giving you a choice to go for a greater challenge in solo is a bad thing, especially since many missions so far have been pretty easy.

 

[Wizaerd]

I assume this will be the case because of history. I assume this will be the case because the loudest group keeps yelling how they want better multiplayer features. So now instead of facing off against multiple enemies, we'll be facing off againsat multiple wings of enemies, which again will be balanced for the multiplayer groups. I've seen it happen time and time again in other games. Eventually the solo player is just completely left out. Our "choice" will be to face off against multiple wings, min un-winnable matches because they'll be balanced for groups of players, or not to play. Not really much of a "choice" is it.

 

[commander adam]

Unfortunately this is an epic fail on the part of FD you either take a stand as a multiplayer game. Or a single player game. Or both. But you can't allow single play/ multiplay to merge. They are two separate things. Don't allow people who play single to ever come to open. Its two different profiles. You can't play easy mode then bring you smoked out python into the multiplayer mode. You have to earn it there. And vice versa.

I can see by things on this forum I will be very soon jumping jumping back on star citizens fan wagon. Along with many many many others.

If you pay attention to YouTube people are leaving this game in drones.

If FD listenes to all this I wanna space truck by myself without even a chat window. I wouldn't be surprised if the servers are already shut down by the time star citizen is released.

(And it will have a separate single player mode)

(Over dramatic. But totally likely)

 

[Cromern]

Wait for the beta, try the beta, then give your feedback

The latest beta test resulted in some changes from player feedback. I'm pretty sure it will happen again.

 

[commander adam]

Apologies for the condescension. (Not really)

I read a lot of this kind of talk from single player people. I go NO that's really gonna take away from any type of multilayer immersion. That is already nonexistent in ED if you think that the amount of ppl out there wanting a single player space trucking simulator; out numbers the people wanting immersive multiplayer sifi universe. Just look at the backing support for elite vs star citizens.

As I'm sure the people who want a solo trucking sim are going hey that idea will really take away from my single player snooze/grind fest (my opinion) experience.

This is a huge (game breaking) problem.