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This reward here is to balance things out.
Because as things are, there is only potential loss. And greed is hardcore as well, despite it is not the case here.
As people say, when one does not respect his time he does not value time of other people as well.

You two remind me of static weight training. Like pushing the wall or pulling some chain nailed to the same wall. Only difference is that it trains my sentence building skills instead.

I will continue to answer same questions with same answers tomorrow. Maybe will even find some actual facts to spice things out.


There IS balance... you just blatantly ignore it. IF there has to be a reward for PVPing over the risk of loosing your ship, then there needs to be a reward for PVEing over the risk of loosing your ship, because to many people it happens. You are wanting something not for the community but for yourself... You keep trying to unbalance the game while claiming it is balance... no it isn't.
 
The atmosphere of abusing what?

Exploits?

Like PvEers exploited skimmers? Or Quince? Or Ceos and Sothis? Or Smeaton?


The term "griefer" has been widely misused in the ED community.

I'm not exactly sure how you're using it now, but true griefers don't care about such things.

They aren't shooting themselves in the foot, they're shooting everyone else in the foot.


Besides, killing traders is a perfectly sensible thing to do.

They are greedy capitalists who only care about their profit margin.

Many of them are exploiters as well, so killing them in droves is actually good for the game.

Explorers are no better. They all want fame and fortune. What more of a vapid pursuit could there be?

And don't get me started on miners. They are the absolute worst.

Shooting harmless rocks that did nothing to deserve their fate.

Pillaging the rings of their precious natural resources.

All deserve the rebuy screen for being the scum of the universe that they are.

Any cheater PVP or PVE deserves to be banned and some have... Fdev took the easy route with the skimmer missions and didn't pull the credits away .. I disagree with that. But PVPers not PVErs were the ones who made PVP "meaningless" in the game and have no effect. You can not blame FDev or PVErs.. just those who abused PVP and caused FDev's response. Yet FDev has not altered anything in regards to PVP. Now why is that? All you have to do is look at all the crap SDC pulled and other gankers/griefers pulled.. PVPers, even though you don't like it, are the cause of PVP being nothing more than a side show in the game. And they continue to be...
 

ALGOMATIC

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I find this interesting as I just saw a youtube video the other day of a shielded T-9 mass hindered and destroyed by a NPC Anaconda... but yea... since a few people dont' have issue with NPC that must mean everyone else must be the same and only players are "danger".

Its irrelevant if someone has issues with npcs, the difficulty ladder doesnt change because of abilities of an individual, the solid indisputable fact remains that fighting even a semi skilled cmdr is entirely different game from fighting NPCs. Again, this is indisputable.
 
Crap SDC pulled?

SDC? Seriously?

Like what? Salome?

I do regret missing that one. I had to work.

It was the day I realized I didn't have the time to be good enough for SDC. [knocked out]

Although it's clear that some in FDEV really don't like the group or what they've done over the years.

So you may be onto something here.

The fact is though, when SDC was at its height, it discouraged ganking traders and explorers unless it was for a larger cause.

Like that one off record distance gank and similar things (although SDC was already in decline when that happened... maybe they'll still rebound).

Of course that's not to say that members didn't get bored and gank indiscriminately.

That applies to even the "good guy", BTW.

I reverse ganked a guy who was trying to play as a cop some time back. He was a new member of the 13th, and on his own at a CG.

He got bored and went wanted, even though it was against the rules of his group.

Didn't work out for him that day.

I had a 600ms Sidewinder handy. It wasn't all that hard to get his conda ded.


For a larger Cause... yea... they managed to get Fdev to give Mobious the ability to account ban them so they couldn't delete their characters and reapply with new ones to PVP members of a PVE group...

FDev had to give powers to a PG group owner because of harassment by PVPers to the players within it... another reason PVP isn't high on FDev's help list.
 

ALGOMATIC

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Any cheater PVP or PVE deserves to be banned and some have... Fdev took the easy route with the skimmer missions and didn't pull the credits away .. I disagree with that. But PVPers not PVErs were the ones who made PVP "meaningless" in the game and have no effect. You can not blame FDev or PVErs.. just those who abused PVP and caused FDev's response. Yet FDev has not altered anything in regards to PVP. Now why is that? All you have to do is look at all the crap SDC pulled and other gankers/griefers pulled.. PVPers, even though you don't like it, are the cause of PVP being nothing more than a side show in the game. And they continue to be...

What are you smoking? What abuse? What exploits? When did PvP have any content EVER? no such thing as griefing in this game, get over it. Noone caused fdev to unbalance the mods excpet the whinney pveers who cant stand that due to their own incompetence wont get the extra benefits that should have been in open from the start due to npcs being nothing but thin air.
 

ALGOMATIC

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For a larger Cause... yea... they managed to get Fdev to give Mobious the ability to account ban them so they couldn't delete their characters and reapply with new ones to PVP members of a PVE group...

FDev had to give powers to a PG group owner because of harassment by PVPers to the players within it... another reason PVP isn't high on FDev's help list.

Thats not what happened. You are not allowed to use alt accounts to access PGs. PG owners dont have any power over bans.

I can go with my account to Mobius to massacare there and <Nope> will happen. The only thing saving them is my application is on hold. Probably some beurocratic nonesence, hopefully soon.
 
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Ha. Mobius. Funny, that.

SDC may have been one of the first to troll the Mobius PG, but they certainly weren't the last.

Heck, one of my few remaining ED friends (who generally plays a good guy) did the very same thing.

Ofc I'm a Mobius member as well, but oddly enough, I've never gone on a killing spree there.

Yet I'm one of the dirtiest gankers in the game.

I will kill anyone. Regardless of rank or ship.

But I do tend to play by the rules.


Glad you play by the rules, but the actions taken by you and others in open is NOT painting PVP in a positive light to where FDev would reverse actions taken or change how PVP works to make it more rewarding.
 
Perhaps. But what they've actually done is to encourage "mindless" ganking with the new C&P. You can find specific examples all over the forum.

They've also encouraged some more creative ganking as well. Would you believe that the remaining members of SDC are playing as "good guys"?

Sure it's ganking like always, but it's taking the system and turning it on it's ear. The usual suspects are now the police.

I can only aspire to gank like Ryan_m17 and Harry Potter.

Their latest cop routine is hilarious.


Maybe so.. but you all feel they encourage it, then complain because of the actions you do that keep FDev from adding meaningful things to PVP.
 

Goose4291

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Your lot are the ones who ignore follow up posts and "cherry pick" 2 comments by 1 Dev and ignore all the other Devs and the CEOs comments because they don't fit your narrative.

I only ignored the other comments in the same manner you conveniently forget Sandro's when quoting dev sources when youre not spamming that wall. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and all that.

If I had a penny for the times I've had to point out that Sandro followed up his open bonus comment saying they are not doing it - I could buy Frontier outright.

I wish you would, then your opinion would become as authoritative as its tone, rather than just your opinion.

Man you guys love your "unshielded Cutter" boogie man don't you. Yet you scoff at PvE player talking about gankers.

No, what I (notice 'I', not 'you guys') scoff at is people who either refuse to learn from their mistakes, refuse advice and act outraged or tar anyone who dares to deploy hardpoints at them as a griefer/ganker, regardless of the scenario. As well as those of course who take death in q computer game where its allowed as tragically seriously as we see here.

"Choke" points have never been a thing in Elite, you also don't "repel" anyone with PvP either.

Aside from the Fortifcation targets, expansion targets and homebase systems in powerplay or the CG system of the week (which you stated earlier you dont play and have no interest in), you're right, there's absolutely no chokepoints in Elite Dangerous.
And when I say 'repel' I mean 'evade/survive an interdiction' which you know full well.

Attacking and defending is done via the BGS. Which you do pushing PvE tokens about, so the "difficulty" is the same in all modes, as the NPCs are the same in all modes.

Apart from the added risk of being attacked by a player who isnt some low grade, easily avoided AI you mean?

PvP actions are worthless in Elite, as you well know. Just as you well know people can just put you on block and carry on in their scary Cutter in open.

I'd explain for the umpteenth time how PvP affects powerplay, but your on your sanctamonious high horse and clearly not

So no, the modes don't change the difficulty of the game.
And as PvP'ers keep posting how easy open is, so folks should play there - perhaps you all should get together and make your minds up on it.

Another misconstrued generalisation. PvP and Open advocates simply state that Open is not the 'you log in and a griefer comes to your house and kills your dog in front of your eyes' world the hyperbole spewing Mobius advocates used to write in their 'I got.killed in open' drama threads.

Which was built why exactly?
Oh that's right - because some of us got fed up having to answer the same arguments with the same posts over and over.
So I compiled them into one easy to read post - The Wall of Information.

The only reason you lot hate it so much, is because you know people would have lost those links years ago.
So you'd still be using the same flawed arguments and demanding proof you know people had lost.
That way you could declare yourselves the winners on ground of lack of proof from the PvE crowd.

Youre not the forums answer to Batman, get a grip.

Just like how 90s keep banging on Sandro said they are making open only bonuses, while "forgetting" to mention he retracted that a week later.
Well I kept the proof of it, because I've seen these dirty tricks before. And sure enough, you all ignore Sandro saying it was an idea they are not working on

Broad generalisation again. You conveniently forget to include why sandro backpedalled, with the PvE community doing what they did with SJAs AI overhaul, crying tearing at their and demanding their job while threatening legal action and all the usual nonsense that somey seem to do when it looks like Frontier might introduce a modicum of difficulty or challenge.
 
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I only ignored the other comments in the same manner you conveniently forget Sandro's when quoting dev sources when youre not spamming that wall. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and all that.

The only post of Sandros I ignore is the one he retracted.
As there is no point banging on about something he said isn't happening.

However you lot ignore everything that you don't like, regardless of who said it.


I wish you would, then your opinion would become as authoritative as its tone, rather than just your opinion.

​As I recently said to another forum user, any "tone" you perceive is down to you and nothing to do with me.
​I only share my opinions and direct information from Frontier staff that I link back to where they say things.
If you want to read it in any "tone" - that is your choice, not mine.

No, what I (notice 'I', not 'you guys') scoff at is people who either refuse to learn from their mistakes, refuse advice and act outraged or tar anyone who dares to deploy hardpoints at them as a griefer/ganker, regardless of the scenario. As well as those of course who take death in q computer game where its allowed as tragically seriously as we see here.

Well, as I've taken the mick out of people who post "I was killed in open" threads and still do from time to time - you're right.
This is why I've said time and time again, when people click a multiplayer mode, a warning should come up on screen to remind them those modes are PvP enabled.

There is information on the "The Wall of Information" that can be used to retort those types of players and point out how getting shot at by other players is part of the game and always has been.

Aside from the Fortifcation targets, expansion targets and homebase systems in powerplay or the CG system of the week (which you stated earlier you dont play and have no interest in), you're right, there's absolutely no chokepoints in Elite Dangerous.
And when I say 'repel' I mean 'evade/survive an interdiction' which you know full well.

I know what you type - I'm not a mind reader, you typed "repel" so I respond to "repel".
As for everything else, it can be done in Solo or PGs (with or without PvP rules) - so my point stands.
People can move about the game freely, in any mode - there is nothing anyone can do to stop them.


Apart from the added risk of being attacked by a player who isnt some low grade, easily avoided AI you mean?

Don't get me started on the AI, my favourite Dev is MOM (SJA) and it's criminal that Frontier hold her back.
​But we keep getting told the AI is for the "average" player, and without any proof to argue against it, we just have to accept that not everyone finds the AI easy.

As you find the AI so easy, you should be happy you're not "average" then. ;)


I'd explain for the umpteenth time how PvP affects powerplay, but your on your sanctamonious high horse and clearly not

I'd explain for the umpteenth time how PvP can be completely ignored in Power Play, but you have your fingers in your ears still.

Another misconstrued generalisation. PvP and Open advocates simply state that Open is not the 'you log in and a griefer comes to your house and kills your dog in front of your eyes' world the hyperbole spewing Mobius advocates used to write in their 'I got.killed in open' drama threads.

Open isn't the safe haven (for most people) most "griefer" groups would have us believe either.
Funny how you only complain about one side over exaggerating but not the other.

Youre not the forums answer to Batman, get a grip.

No, I'm Deadpool.

Broad generalisation again. You conveniently forget to include why sandro backpedalled, with the PvE community doing what they did with SJAs AI overhaul, crying tearing at their and demanding their job while threatening legal action and all the usual nonsense that somey seem to do when it looks like Frontier might introduce a modicum of difficulty or challenge.

Sandro said he was only "musing" - which means he was only thinking about it - not actually doing it.
And he back peddled because it was a stupid idea which he shouldn't have shared without checking with his boss first.

I've answered the AI part above.

Answers in the quote ^
Hope green is okay, I know some folks struggle with different colours

Edit: Changed it to red as you said you couldn't see the green properly
 
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Le sigh....

Let's discuss the post and not the poster please?

They can discuss me all they like.

I love how they find me so important they have to dedicate time to talking about me :D ;)

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