General / Off-Topic Thinking of doing a few 'grammar' lessons...

[JeffRyan]

Grammer seems to be pointless and pedantic because it obscesses with trivilaities such as Boldly Go and Go Boldly.

We get the meaning. It's not important.

Okay, we get that you're not interested in grammar. Despite this, you hang out in my grammar threads a lot.

PS. I don't bother with spelling or split infinitives that much. I do subscribe to the notion that grammar is what is spoken.

 

[Surfinjo]

Deliberately miss-spelling to make a point looks like grandstanding just as much as picking on errors does..

There is no deliberate misspelling on my poart, I assure you.

But highlighting it in this way looks like grandstanding just as much as picking on errors does.

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Okay, we get that you're not interested in grammar. Despite this, you hang out in my grammar threads a lot.

PS. I don't bother with spelling or split infinitives that much. I do subscribe to the notion that grammar is what is spoken.

Pardon me for living.

Perhaps if you indicate which threads are intended to be exclusive, say a long pointed white hat for example?

 

[pippo]

The spelling and the grammar ... the nightmare of French students

I'm french and I could not speak or write english after 9 years of english at school (and yes, focused on grammar)
I've come a long way now living abroad, and I wouldn't be against some grammar lesson now I feel more comfortable with the language.

 

[Crassus]

Pardon me for living.

Perhaps if you indicate which threads are intended to be exclusive, say a long pointed white hat for example?

Calm down, Surfinjo. If you can't stand others talking about english grammar, there's no need to hang around here.

My mothers tongue is german and my father was an english and german teacher - and knowadays I regret not to listen to him closely
My main problem is using the complicated syntax german has in my english sentences - what makes my words mere inapprehensible, if I have a bad day

So, yes, I am very interested in your grammar school, Jeff!

Thanks for your efforts and best regards,
Crassus

 

[Surfinjo]

Calm down, Surfinjo. If you can't stand others talking about english grammar, there's no need to hang around here.


Crassus

I love people talking about grammer and anything else. But if you can't stand discussion then perhaps a discussion forum isn't the plae you should be hanging around in.

 

[Gracey Field]

I work at a large airport near London, we get most foreigners pointing and grunting, so any advance in teaching them is good. Before anyone starts complaining about passengers, I'm talking about the STAFF.

 

[GMac]

Great idea OP. Bring on the lessons!

 

[ianw]

There is no deliberate misspelling on my poart, I assure you.

But highlighting it in this way looks like grandstanding just as much as picking on errors does.

Indeed.

I like your new avatar btw - though it does make it harder to have a dig at you.

 

[amigacooke]

I can't help feeling that English becoming the de facto (hmm) international language is rather more complicated than whether grammar has or hasn't been followed.

I do find a general anti-education attitude to be regrettable however.

 

[ianw]

I can't help feeling that English becoming the de facto (hmm) international language is rather more complicated than whether grammar has or hasn't been followed.

I do find a general anti-education attitude to be regrettable however.

It's just one of those topics that people get snotty about - it doesn't help when people jump on errors uninvited in a snooty way.

But it's one of those topics where sometimes people almost seem to take pride in not knowing something - which seems odd.

 

[Surfinjo]

It's just one of those topics that people get snotty about - it doesn't help when people jump on errors uninvited in a snooty way.

But it's one of those topics where sometimes people almost seem to take pride in not knowing something - which seems odd.

Your first point was on the button. If you think about it, errors that have little consequence other than giveing a few to highlight them are both petty and irrelevant.

It isn't pride, it's ambivalance.

 

[CMDR MassDef]

Grammer seems to be pointless and pedantic because it obscesses with trivilaities such as Boldly Go and Go Boldly.

We get the meaning. It's not important.

In order to be able to teach a language to a 5 year old kid you need rules. That's what grammar is all about. That's as basic as explaining why water is important for life creation/preservation on earth. Apparently, you have nothing to do with linguistics...

As for the bbc article you posted earlier. Well this article is a disgrace for such a big network. Dyslexia has nothing to do with eyesight, rather than with how the brain perceives and memorizes the information given to it. That's something well known in the community of education for at least a decade now. I don't know what's going on with the universities that conducted this "research", but there is definitely something wrong with them. According to other universities (much more valid than those two in Bristol and Newcastle) the use of colors when teaching people with dyslexia, has to do with the ability of the human brain to memorize easier when it's stimulated through colors, sketches etc.

 

[Surfinjo]

In order to be able to teach a language to a 5 year old kid you need rules. That's what grammar is all about. That's as basic as explaining why water is important for life creation/preservation on earth. Apparently, you have nothing to do with linguistics..

I get your point about teaching to 5 year olds. But as any induction class (or whatever it is called now) teacher will tell you, the important issue to to show children the value of communication using written words.

Grammer matters in a smuch as the meanings can be unclear or distorted if the grammer is incorrect. I ain't got none, for example could mean what it probably does, or it might imply that I don't have any none.

It's ever so clever sounding but in reality is a nonsense, since the meaning is quite clear from the outset.

What matters is children are taught to recognise the possible double meaning, while contining to appreciate their dialect which created this.

You analogy makes little sense though. Especially when the issue of the importance of water to all life is hardly a basic subject.

 

[izzy]

The spelling and the grammar ... the nightmare of French students

French grammar is complicated, a lot of rules and exceptions, English grammar is "easy" in comparison
We, french speekers, have a lot of difficulties with english pronounciation but it's not a new thing, our learning of english is really bad in France. :s

 

[Patrick_68000]

French grammar is complicated, a lot of rules and exceptions, English grammar is "easy" in comparison
We, french speekers, have a lot of difficulties with english pronounciation but it's not a new thing, our learning of english is really bad in France. :s

A French who speaks English, it's as if he speaks Chinese