Those boring areas..

[varonica]

This is also something I do understand...

FSS says: Vulcanism - Iron Magma
What do you find on the surface: Iron Magma Lava Spout

I've already explained this, Magma is a subsurface feature, you will not see magma on the surface, you will see lava spouts, Magma, when it gets to the surface is called LAVA!

FSS says: Vulcanism - Silicate Magma
What do you find on the surface: Silicate Magma Lava Spout

See above.

FSS says: Vulcanism - Methane Magma
What do you find on the surface: Methane Ice Fumaroles

Correct, no magma, magma is a subsurface feature, when it reaches the surface it expresses a vapour or liquid, the methane ice fumaroles is the subsurface magma escaping from below ground and becoming a gas or liquid..

FSS says: Vulcanism - Water Magma
What do you find on the surface: Water Geysers

Correct, magma is a subsurface feature, when it gets to the surface it is geysers or steam.

So as you see, based on the Iron and Silicate phenomenons, I was expecting, to find Methane Lava Spout... But instead, I have only found Gas Vents and Fumaroles... The same with Water... I was expecting to find Water Lava Spouts, but instead you find geysers, the same like on a planet, where the FSS says "Water Geysers". So my point is, that it is pointless to go to explore planet, that says Water magma, in hopes of finding Water Lava Spouts, because there are no Water Lava Spouts, there are only Water geysers, even though the FSS says two different things for the same phenomenon...

The water in the geysers is the water lava, the methane when it gets to the surface as liquid is the lava. You are confusing yourself, if a body has water magma it will have boiling water as the lava, same with methane. Because we live in the earth the only phenomena we associate with lava is liquid rock, silicate lava, but liquid water, water geysers, is the lava of a body with water magma.

Also you are confusing two different types of vulcanism. When a body says it has a type of "magma" vulcanism it means it has a liquid core below the surface, and it's often this magma escaping that causes the geysers and other features. When a body just says "water geysers" it means there isn't a liquid core, the body is cold all the way through, like the moon and mars, the vulcanism on these bodies is usually caused by tidal stress from orbiting close to a binary partner or a gas giant and the heat to create the geysers is caused by tidal compression and stretching that heats fault areas above the melting point of the water or methane, which then escapes as gas or liquid.

 

[ChipStar65]

I have found this to be very useful in all Regions visited so far:

Geological Codex Key

docs.google.com

 

[Martin Shepard]

This is also something I do understand...

FSS says: Vulcanism - Iron Magma
What do you find on the surface: Iron Magma Lava Spout

FSS says: Vulcanism - Silicate Magma
What do you find on the surface: Silicate Magma Lava Spout

FSS says: Vulcanism - Methane Magma
What do you find on the surface: Methane Ice Fumaroles

FSS says: Vulcanism - Water Magma
What do you find on the surface: Water Geysers

So as you see, based on the Iron and Silicate phenomenons, I was expecting, to find Methane Lava Spout... But instead, I have only found Gas Vents and Fumaroles... The same with Water... I was expecting to find Water Lava Spouts, but instead you find geysers, the same like on a planet, where the FSS says "Water Geysers". So my point is, that it is pointless to go to explore planet, that says Water magma, in hopes of finding Water Lava Spouts, because there are no Water Lava Spouts, there are only Water geysers, even though the FSS says two different things for the same phenomenon...

This is what I was talking about.

I guess why you are confusing this has something to do with the terms that are used. The Iron Magma will semanticly be lava when it comes to the surface. As for Silicate which is also called Lava because both are metals, respectively metalloids. Both methane and water are no metals so they can't be lava. For the term "Lava" there has to be a distinct amount of silicate or at least magnesium or iron to be "Lava".
Water and methane can be Magma, because Magma only means "liquid rock under the surface". When the planet consists of water ice or methane ice then the liquid rock consists of water or methane, so under the surface due to tidal force and heating under the surface, there will be water or methane magma. But "Lava" has to consist of a distinct amount of silicate, iron or magnesium to be called "Lava". I hope this is explained good enough.

 

[CMDR SleepyDelegate]

I've already explained this...

I have found this to be very useful in all Regions visited so far:

Geological Codex Key

docs.google.com

I guess why you are confusing this has something to do with the terms that are used...

Martin, very interesting, thank you!

Thank you guys for taking the time to explain the topic in detail... I think the problem is my lack of understanding how the geology works... And then the FSS and actual findings on the planet are confusing for me... Now I will understand it better...

 

[CMDR SleepyDelegate]

. As for silicate vapour geysers, I have found them in places, but the other thing to keep in mind is that the codex and FSS only report one type of vulcanism per body but there can actually be multiple types per body so it may be necessary to check all the sites on a body to actually find some.

Can you be more specific? Where have you found them? So far I was not able to find them on a planet surface and I also have not seen them mentioned in the CODEX... Because of that, I started ignoring planets with Silicate Vapour Geysers, because I simply do not think they exist... But if you can prove they do, I would start chasing this rainbow unicorn... Thank you!

 

[varonica]

Can you be more specific? Where have you found them? So far I was not able to find them on a planet surface and I also have not seen them mentioned in the CODEX... Because of that, I started ignoring planets with Silicate Vapour Geysers, because I simply do not think they exist... But if you can prove they do, I would start chasing this rainbow unicorn... Thank you!

Ok I have looked in the codex on EDSM (a handy tool for finding things btw https://www.edsm.net/en/codex) and it shows no listed Silicate Vapour Geysers in any of the regions. Now of course it doesn't count everyone's results, only those people reporting, but it does have a lot of data so if they were to be found in any region in the galaxy they should show up there. One of the problems is I was in the group searching and cataloging volcanic features for nearly two years before the codex came out, you couldn't scan them then and they weren't logged in your journal or anywhere else, so it may be an errant memory from years back.

Also consider that every time a major update was made before the codex came out volcanic sites vanished and moved about, for the codex they may have even changed the names of some of the features. I can see we have Silicate Vapour Fumaroles, Silicate Vapour Ice Fumaroles and Silicate Vapour Gas Vents but no Silicate Vapour Geysers. So it may be me having a poor memory from 3+ years ago, they could have changed the name to one of the above three, or removed them from the game altogether, but you are right, they don't appear to exist now.

My guess is, since as you say some bodies are listed with Silicate Vapour Geysers, when they introduced the codex and gave scannable names to all the different features they used one of the above 3 names for the features appearing on planets with Silicate Vapour Geysers.

 

[Martin Shepard]

Martin, very interesting, thank you!

Thank you guys for taking the time to explain the topic in detail... I think the problem is my lack of understanding how the geology works... And then the FSS and actual findings on the planet are confusing for me... Now I will understand it better...

I'm wondering that Frontier has taken so much time to even get those geological terms right. I never thought of it until I wanted to explain it to you. It shows how much physical and chemical correctness this game is using

I'm glad that I could help you

 

[UTU2TM]

I'm in a dead zone right now. No non-sequence systems around. Gonna spend the next couple days, hunting down class O and class B systems, before I start heading towards stuff in my bookmarks. Tis a quiet place.

 

[ChipStar65]

Ok I have looked in the codex on EDSM (a handy tool for finding things btw https://www.edsm.net/en/codex) and it shows no listed Silicate Vapour Geysers in any of the regions. Now of course it doesn't count everyone's results, only those people reporting, but it does have a lot of data so if they were to be found in any region in the galaxy they should show up there. One of the problems is I was in the group searching and cataloging volcanic features for nearly two years before the codex came out, you couldn't scan them then and they weren't logged in your journal or anywhere else, so it may be an errant memory from years back.

Also consider that every time a major update was made before the codex came out volcanic sites vanished and moved about, for the codex they may have even changed the names of some of the features. I can see we have Silicate Vapour Fumaroles, Silicate Vapour Ice Fumaroles and Silicate Vapour Gas Vents but no Silicate Vapour Geysers. So it may be me having a poor memory from 3+ years ago, they could have changed the name to one of the above three, or removed them from the game altogether, but you are right, they don't appear to exist now.

My guess is, since as you say some bodies are listed with Silicate Vapour Geysers, when they introduced the codex and gave scannable names to all the different features they used one of the above 3 names for the features appearing on planets with Silicate Vapour Geysers.

I have seen no references to surface features "Silicate Vapour Geysers" either. Looking at the spreadsheet I linked to above, there seems to be a pattern in the labeling of the planets in the SysMap in terms of Vulcanism: If a planet has features formed from a nominally solid substance that has a melted form (rock, metallic rock, iron, silicates, even water) then it is "XXX Magma" vulcanism. If the substances involved are primarily gaseous (silicate vapour, CO2, and again, water) then the vulcanism is generalized as "XXX Geyser." Water seems to be the only substance that qualfiies as both, and is expressed in actual features of all types. Versatile stuff, water.

Surface temperature of the planets may also play a significant role in which specific kind of features a planet actually presents, as some may be too cold or too hot to support certain kinds of features. For example, the temp of Nitrogen Magma planets is shown as very low, below 100K, since Nitrogen, which we are familiar with as a gas, only forms a solid at very low termperatures.

 

[Christian-A-Hill]

I do various activities in my second monitor when going through long stretch of nothingness.
1. Edsy.org: tweaking my ships for various roles
2. EDDiscovery: checking out many of its features, my stats etc. When actively scanning I look up the bodies info in here as well.
3. Check out forum, reply posts.
4. In extreme bordem only, I pull out my on board video game console and play CQC.

Time usually passes by unnoticed through these activities when making many many jumps. Except #4 all activities takes places outside VR as I yet have to find proper comfortable way to use EDDiscovery inside VR.

During my trip to Beagle Point/Ishum's Reach in my Crusader, I wanted to experience entire trip so i flew entirely in VR and did not do any other activities. The anticipation to make it there in one piece to take a place in history by becoming first ever Crusader in Ishum's Reach was enough to keep boredom away. On the way back however I did few other listed activities.

 

[Hawk of Battle]

I just started my 25kly journey back the bubble now I've finished up my black hole survey. 109 jumps to cross the first 20kly and I can already tell it's gona be a slog. I'm still finding terraformables, but after making 12 jumps I was already not feeling it and had to take a break. Might stretch it out over a week.