Two years today. Remember Salome - Text Cyphers

RG_in_space · May 3, 2019

Just a quick report on a dead-end i investigated to save you some time (i'm leaving my results in case it inspires you / you find another path to go from there)

DW hinted at the cipher using something similar to an old clue based on a sum of Fibonacci suite terms. So, to apply something similar to what we got, i first replaced letters by numbers between 01-26, which gave me this:

Code:

05 25 11 05 20 19 15 01
09 03 09 14 05 03 03 01 14 19
18 08 20 07 01 01 13 20 03 07
15 12 15 18 17 05 24 01 12
01 01 14 15 14 22 20
09 05 19 15
09 25 16 21 12 15 05
20 14 12 08 02 15 18 03 12 01 18
08 01 07 14 05
01 14 12 09 07 03 04 19 04
20 25 16 18 18 08 19 21
21 20 12 14 19 09
18 03 05 13 15 09 05 03 12 08 08
09 05 09 14    09
19 05 05 04 20 05 13 01
18 12 05 05 05 19
01 18 02 18 03 05 08 01
03 09 09 05 13 12 19
05 01 20 09
24 19 20 06 07 21
01    09
21    04 01 03 08 01
09 02 01 05 01 01 01 20 01
23 12 20 17 21 09
09 18 06 19 05 18 01
09 18 06 14 01
18 18 14 15 12 20
09 18 20 05 01 12 01 01 05
15 08 18 09 05 18 08 04 09 19 09
03 20 15 18 04
22 13 09 05 13 01
15 01 05 21 06 14 24 26 18 16
04 08 06 09 09 13
23    21 14
25 07 23 20 19 04
05 01
13 02 19 21 15 09 02
01 12 20
16 13 05 09 20 04
15 16 15 09 15 00 14 01 18
09 21 21 09
09 20 19 03 01 20 19 01 09 06
19 21 13 19 14 11 16 05
13 21 14 22 09 20 09 04 15
04 09 15 21
16 01 09 06 11 04 18
14 21 01
16 05 12 25 20 16 05

Then i replaced each number n by the nth term of the Fibonacci suite (i took the one starting with 0), and made a sum of the terms (as had been the case with the old clue) for each line, which gave me this:

Code:

Nothing more from there, but i thought i'd post it, it may be useful to hear from each about what has and has not been tried yet.

TheLawful · May 3, 2019

The spaces are odd. Why are there spaces at all? Delimiters obviously. Makes me think it's one word on each line and a substitution cipher, but none of the common ones.

O7,

Althalen · May 3, 2019

I thought they may be an indicator for a new line.
It would give you:

Code:

eyketsoaicineccansrhT7aamtC7oloRqExalaAnonVt1iesoiypuloetnlhboRClarH17nEanlI7CDsDtyprrhSuutlnsiRcemoiecL8Hiein
iseedteMArleEesaR2rCehaCiieMlseAtixstfGua
9u
dAcH19baEaaataWltQuiIrFseRairFna0rrnoLTiRtealaaeohrierH4isiCtordVmiemaoaEufnxZrP4h6iimw
1unyGwTsDeaMbsuoibaltPmeiT4oPoiO0nariuuiitScatsai6SumsnkpeminVitiDodioupaI6K4rnuaP5lytPe

The "9u" stands out weirdly though.

Noobilite · May 3, 2019

I was trying to translate some of these using the 13 shift thing. I noticed some of them produce no vowels. Then I looked and checked what vowels would be produced. Not sure if this helps. Maybe a brute force way of finding ways to analyses this for characteristics. Can the number of vowels in the end results help understand what has been done to it. Maybe with shift of 1-26?

13 shift:
A E I O U
N R V B H

eyketsoa
icineccans
rhT7aamtC7
oloRqExal
aAnonVt
1ieso
iypuloe
tnlhboRClar
H17nE
anlI7CDsD
typrrhSu
utlnsi
RcemoiecL8H
iein i
seedteMA
rleEes
aR2rCeha
CiieMls
eAti
xstfGu
a 9
u dAcH1
9baEaaata
WltQui
IrFseRa <- These two are very similar
irFna <- These two are very similar
0rrnoLT
iRtealaae
ohrierH4isi
Ctord
Vmiema
oaEufnxZrP
4h6iim
w 1un
yGwTsD
ea
Mbsuoib
alt
PmeiT4
oPoiO0nar
iuui <-? Not many combos could make this into something.
itScatsai6
Sumsnkpe
minVitiDo
diou
paI6K4r
nua
P5lytPe

You notice some of them would have no vowels. Some even have many non vowels repeating like "iein i."(ironically vowels.) Maybe this sort of analysis helps figuring it out with all the difference number shifts. Would it help try to analyse the cypther method and narrow down how it was manipulated. If all methods produce a lack of vowels it might show what is happening. Or could the hex values be used to shift out vowels and make that worthless?

In the end you are still dealing with words and translating into or out of a 26 letter number sequence. Presumabely.

Only other thing I can think of is the hex editor clue. Do we run it through as hex or 16 bit characters? 0-9 A-F. Maybe this is a simpler puzzle?! Although ther are lots of letters outside...

Plus there is a way to quantify fibbonachi. I forget the forumula. Isn't there a single variable formula that describes it?! I thought there was but I can't remember.

https://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffiles/10002.4-5.shtml ?

There are also 21 total numbers and 9 numbers used: 0,1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9 all single digit.
Instances:
0 = 2
1 = 4
2 = 1
4 = 4
5 = 1
6 = 3
7 = 3
8 = 1
9 = 2

Order appearing in:

7, 1, 8, 2, 9, 0, 4, 6, 5

Backwards:

5, 6 4(reversable?), 0, 1, 9, 2, 8, 7

Exact order: (lack of coma means same word)

7 7, 1, 1 7, 8, 2, 9, 1, 9, 0, 4, 4 6, 1, 4, 0, 6, 6 4, 5

There are only 4 double numbers. 7 7, 1 7, 4 6, 6 4

this means only 17 words have numbers. This is out of 48 words. 48 is 16x3. Possibly related to hexadecimal?! 48 / 17 = 2.823529412?!

Numbered words with letters:

3, 6, 9, 10, 13, 17, 21, 22, 23, 27, 29, 30, 34, 39, 40, 42, 46, 48 (total: 462)

Difference between words containing numbers. (Starting from 0)

3, 3, 3, 1, 3, 4, 4, 1, 1, 4, 2, 1, 4, 5, 1, 2, 4, 2

If you add these up, including the from 0, you get 48 in total over 18 occurances for an average of 2.666666 spaces per word.... IE frequency of occurrence. Without the extra 0 number it's 45/17 = 2.647058824 frequency. I think it should be 48/17 = 2.823529412

Double lettered words:
3, 9, 33, 46 (total: 91)

Difference between words containing numbers. (Starting from 0)

3, 6, 24, 13 (total: 46 (43))

Plus the only number missing from 0-9 is 3...

Is there anything that comes in only 9 variations that might be decipherable from this?!

Do the numbers correspond to hex letters as some sort of key? Do letters A-F matter also? What if you seperate those numbers and letters?

Number of Characters:

(/wo# x) = How many character without numbers being present.

eyketsoa; 8
icineccans; 10
rhT7aamtC7; 10 (/wo# 8)
oloRqExal; 9
aAnonVt; 7
1ieso; 5 (/wo# 4)
iypuloe; 7
tnlhboRClar; 11
H17nE; 5 (/wo# 3)
anlI7CDsD; 9 (/wo# 8)
typrrhSu; 8
utlnsi; 6
RcemoiecL8H; 11 (/wo# 10)
***iein i; 4,1 (5)
seedteMA; 8
rleEes; 6
aR2rCeha; 8 (/wo# 7)
CiieMls; 7
eAti; 4
xstfGu; 6
***a 9; 1,1 (2)(/wo# 1)
***u dAcH1; 1,5 (6)(/wo# 1, 4(5))
9baEaaata; 9 (/wo# 8)
WltQui; 6
IrFseRa; 7
irFna; 5
0rrnoLT; 7 (/wo# 6)
iRtealaae; 9
ohrierH4isi; 11 (/wo# 10)
Ctord; 5
Vmiema; 6
oaEufnxZrP; 10
4h6iim; 6 (/wo# 4)
***w 1un; 1,3 (4) (/wo# 1,2(3))
yGwTsD; 6
ea; 2
Mbsuoib; 7
alt; 3
PmeiT4; 6
oPoiO0nar; 9 (/wo# 8)
iuui; 4
itScatsai6; 10 (/wo# 9)
Sumsnkpe; 8
minVitiDo; 9
diou; 4
paI6K4r; 7 (/wo# 6)
nua; 3
P5lytPe;7 (/wo# 6)

Total Characters: 328 (332 if spaces count)
Total Letters: 307
Total Numbers: 21
Total words: 52 (including spaced)

Sequence(by character total): ((#(x,x)) = Digit reference(Value(s)); (x,x) = word count with character value. combing these means one word has a number in it. (x,x(#(x,x))) or (x(#(x,x)),x). This notes which word has the number.)

Italicized, underlined=double words, bold=numbers.

48x1:
8, 10, 10(#(7,7)), 9, 7, 5(#(1)), 7, 11, 5(#(1,7)), 9(#(7)), 8, 6, 11(#(8)), 5(4,1), 8, 6, 8(#(2)), 7, 4, 6, 2(1,1(#1(9))), 6(1,5(#1(1))), 9(#(9)), 6, 7, 5, 7(#(0)), 9, 11(#(4)), 5, 6, 10, 6(#(4,6)), 4(1,2),(#(1)), 6, 2, 7, 3, 6(#(4)), 9(#(0)), 4, 10(#(6)), 8, 9, 4, 7(#(6,4)), 3, 7(#(5))

24x2:
8, 10, 10(#(7,7)), 9, 7, 5(#(1)), 7, 11, 5(#(1,7)), 9(#(7)), 8, 6, 11(#(8)), 5(4,1), 8, 6, 8(#(2)), 7, 4, 6, 2(1,1(#1(9))), 6(1,5(#1(1))), 9(#(9)), 6,
7, 5, 7(#(0)), 9, 11(#(4)), 5, 6, 10, 6(#(4,6)), 4(1,2),(#(1)), 6, 2, 7, 3, 6(#(4)), 9(#(0)), 4, 10(#(6)), 8, 9, 4, 7(#(6,4)), 3, 7(#(5))

16x3:
8, 10, 10(#(7,7)), 9, 7, 5(#(1)), 7, 11, 5(#(1,7)), 9(#(7)), 8, 6, 11(#(8)), 5(4,1), 8, 6,
8(#(2)), 7, 4, 6, 2(1,1(#1(9))), 6(1,5(#1(1))), 9(#(9)), 6, 7, 5, 7(#(0)), 9, 11(#(4)), 5, 6, 10,
6(#(4,6)), 4(1,2),(#(1)), 6, 2, 7, 3, 6(#(4)), 9(#(0)), 4, 10(#(6)), 8, 9, 4, 7(#(6,4)), 3, 7(#(5))

12x4:
8, 10, 10(#(7,7)), 9, 7, 5(#(1)), 7, 11, 5(#(1,7)), 9(#(7)), 8, 6,
11(#(8)), 5(4,1), 8, 6, 8(#(2)), 7, 4, 6, 2(1,1(#1(9))), 6(1,5(#1(1))), 9(#(9)), 6,
7, 5, 7(#(0)), 9, 11(#(4)), 5, 6, 10, 6(#(4,6)), 4(1,2),(#(1)), 6, 2,
7, 3, 6(#(4)), 9(#(0)), 4, 10(#(6)), 8, 9, 4, 7(#(6,4)), 3, 7(#(5))

8x6:
8, 10, 10(#(7,7)), 9, 7, 5(#(1)), 7, 11,
5(#(1,7)), 9(#(7)), 8, 6, 11(#(8)), 5(4,1), 8, 6,
8(#(2)), 7, 4, 6, 2(1,1(#1(9))), 6(1,5(#1(1))), 9(#(9)), 6,
7, 5, 7(#(0)), 9, 11(#(4)), 5, 6, 10,
6(#(4,6)), 4(1,2),(#(1)), 6, 2, 7, 3, 6(#(4)), 9(#(0)),
4, 10(#(6)), 8, 9, 4, 7(#(6,4)), 3, 7(#(5))

6x8
8, 10, 10(#(7,7)), 9, 7, 5(#(1)),
7, 11, 5(#(1,7)), 9(#(7)), 8, 6,
11(#(8)), 5(4,1), 8, 6, 8(#(2)), 7,
4, 6, 2(1,1(#1(9))), 6(1,5(#1(1))), 9(#(9)), 6,
7, 5, 7(#(0)), 9, 11(#(4)), 5,
6, 10, 6(#(4,6)), 4(1,2),(#(1)), 6, 2,
7, 3, 6(#(4)), 9(#(0)), 4, 10(#(6)),
8, 9, 4, 7(#(6,4)), 3, 7(#(5))

There are 4 double words! This means there are technically 52 words. All double words have one word with 1 character only. All but one double words contain a number! No double words contain two numbers.

They occur at words:
14, 21, 22, 34

Frequency:
14, 7, 1, 12

No idea if any of this helps.

mach10 · May 3, 2019

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Noobilite · May 3, 2019

/wo# means how many characters total with a number.

I forgot to add up the total characters and words at the end.

mach10 · May 3, 2019

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Noobilite · May 3, 2019

The left text simply shifts by 13... I tried it and it devoided most vowels. Maybe shift the whole thing and then unscramble?

Although I didn't convert it all. I just found the vowels and underlined them.

If it's simple I think it's just player names scrambled. I think it's to say remember the players who took part or something. Does anyone have the list of players invovled who would be noted. Even partial list could help. There are names that would stick out like "a 9", "iuui", "ea", etc.

The Formadine Rift

I'm farily new on Elite Dangerous, I was only focused on making money, getting good ships and upgrading them, but then I begun looking for the lore of Elite Dangerous, and found out about the formadine rift. I searched some threads, like those "so you want to know about the formadine rift (part...

forums.frontier.co.uk

Deep in the Formidine Rift | The official website of Drew Wagar

Players discover the abandoned mega-ship "Zurara" in the depths of the Formidine Rift.

www.drewwagar.com

EDSM - Elite Dangerous Star Map

The Galactic Positioning System of Elite: Dangerous at your service.

www.edsm.net

#15 [April 3303] CoR help solve the penultimate clue to the Formidine Rift mystery

CHILDREN OF RAXXLA - INTELLIGENCE TEAM DISCOVERY REPORT Deciphering Method Combined work of Commanders Jackie Silver, Lyrae Cursorius, EfilOne and Sajime Chent-Shi The GalNet clues lead us to the following :

www.childrenofraxxla.co.uk

His message then had something where you took out letters and it had "Rebecxa EXF".

SRYERBEEACDCIAAEJXDF0

Is this the way the letters were packaged? Is there logic to how they are ordered. If it's the same logic it might help.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=45&v=vtNq-tG4EgA

mach10 · May 3, 2019

CMDR Hardinger Weizen · May 3, 2019

So on 30th April Drew Wagar posted: "It was designed to defeat the techniques typically involved when encountering a puzzle. I'm fairly confident a brute force attempt will not work. It's requires a little subtlety in the approach, but all the clues are there. The previous clue (the one I used to obfuscate the start point of the Salomé event) used a similar technique. This one is a bit more complex ".
He refers to the riddle (46 Eridani) where you needed greek mythology and the fibonacci sequence.
A day before on 29th April he posted this Soliloquy, where Dihya gets mentioned.
Dihya "was a Berber warrior queen and a religious and military leader who led indigenous resistance to the Muslim conquest of the Maghreb, the region then known as Numidia."
There is no system called Numidia unfortunately, but I think we might have to look into mythology for a clue, like people did to come up with the Eridani system.

Tigorath · May 3, 2019

It would seem that Drew likes to do things a little 'backwards'. Has anyone tried a ROT -13 using the alphabet + 01234567890 backwards starting at the bottom which does start with a capital letter? Or the alphabet backwards + the numbers at the beginning ( backwards ) etc? I did think the word Remember might of been a part of it but I think that is part of the drug used in lore ( hexedit ) that deletes your mind.

Tigorath · May 3, 2019

Oh and yes, when the axis of dying light was mentioned I did think of the candle. I WAS hoping ( since the candle is obviously superimposed due to a grey background ) that if you darkened the image such letters remaining would still be visible but they do seem to be all the same contrast.

mach10 · May 3, 2019

vidslo · May 3, 2019

I've read his blog post from a year ago several times now, and I just can't figure this out:

The clue on the blog relates to the image (which I posted a year ago, but no one seemed to spot). It's a sort of 'tidy up' the all the previous Salomé clues.

Tigorath · May 3, 2019

mach10 said:
The letter/double letter frequency sure doesn't seem to be Vigenère.

Drew did say it is not Vigenere. He is a writer, his character ( Solome ) was and may still be a bit of his own heart. He wants a little more of her past fleshed out before it is too late.

vidslo · May 3, 2019

Looking back at Drew's blog post from a year ago...

I was wondering what was in the right hand side of this image and realized it's part of Salome's face (lower left hand side). The image appears to have a 'whirl' to it, and I don't have the time to mess with it right now. This could be absolutely nothing, but as far as any 'clues' in the blog post, this was the only thing that has stood out to me so far...

Edit to add:

By "clue" I really have no idea what it could even mean, if anything at all.

Edit #2:

Ignore what I said.

mach10 · May 3, 2019

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CMDR Hardinger Weizen · May 3, 2019

Tigorath said:
It would seem that Drew likes to do things a little 'backwards'. Has anyone tried a ROT -13 using the alphabet + 01234567890 backwards starting at the bottom which does start with a capital letter? Or the alphabet backwards + the numbers at the beginning ( backwards ) etc? I did think the word Remember might of been a part of it but I think that is part of the drug used in lore ( hexedit ) that deletes your mind.

Since ROT13 changes the 26 letters from A-N, ROT -13 does the same change.
Anyways, ROT1 to ROT26 all seem to have no useful outcome.
00: eyketsoa
01: dxjdsrnz
02: cwicrqmy
03: bvhbqplx
04: augapokw
05: ztfzonjv
06: yseynmiu
07: xrdxmlht
08: wqcwlkgs
09: vpbvkjfr
10: uoaujieq
11: tnztihdp
12: smyshgco
13: rlxrgfbn
14: qkwqfeam
15: pjvpedzl
16: oiuodcyk
17: nhtncbxj
18: mgsmbawi
19: lfrlazvh
20: keqkzyug
21: jdpjyxtf
22: icoixwse
23: hbnhwvrd
24: gamgvuqc
25: fzlfutpb

Cunder · May 3, 2019

vidslo said:
Looking back at Drew's blog post from a year ago...

I was wondering what was in the right hand side of this image and realized it's part of Salome's face (lower left hand side). The image appears to have a 'whirl' to it, and I don't have the time to mess with it right now. This could be absolutely nothing, but as far as any 'clues' in the blog post, this was the only thing that has stood out to me so far...
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Edit to add:

By "clue" I really have no idea what it could even mean, if anything at all.

So the clue is in the cover of the book?

Makes sense cause the Soliloquy does describe the cover or at least it does match it.

vidslo · May 4, 2019

mach10 said:
He's already said that the clue and solution is in the image on the thread's first page. This other one you posted is nothing.

Good to know, thanks.