Ships Type-10 Released!

DukeIronHand

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I haven't read all 23 pages here but, based on the other threads I glanced at, don't be so quick to disregard the T9 if you plan on TRADING. I get the T10 is "not designed" to be a trader but people are looking at assorted roles for it besides bug stomping. A lot of buzz for a T10 trade build. Check out ED Shipyard and compare numbers.

The T10, as a trader (since folks are comparing it to the T9), does not invalidate the T9 at all.
The T9, with minor Engineering, is the better ship, IMHO, for trading. Better all around except in hull armor.
Even with no Engineering the "improvements" (if any) hardly justifies the T10's price tag with even a standard trade fit-out.
If your a bug stomper fine. Go T10. If your a trader you get way more bang for your buck with a T9. Or a Anaconda with the money the T10 is going to set you back.
My opinion and YMMV. Fly safe!
 
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Ziljan

Ziljan
777Driver said:
Dude I have around 200+ ships in my fleet, yes I use Bi weaves on various builds. Have done so since they first entered the game. Always open to your knowledge Ziljan, are you running Bi-weaves on the T-10 against Thargoids? What's your build like?
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I don't think the T10 is a good ship for fighting Thargoids. It's too slow, and the convergence isn't good enough for fixed weapons.

As per your question, here is why the power distributor is a big albatross. C8 biweaves reform at 14.4 MJ per second, and the distro provides about 4.24 MJ per second with a G5 charge enhanced mod. So after about 3 seconds of recharging, the shields regen at only 4.24 MJ per second, which is the equivalent reforming rate of a shield between a 4C and a 5C biweave.

Currently I have about 630 MJ shields, and shields take about 54 seconds to reform. With C7 biweaves, the Anaconda regen shields reform in 44 seconds. If I had an A7 power distributor in my T10, then my shields would reform in 43 seconds. So in order for the C8 biweaves on the T10 to be AS GOOD AS the Conda's lower rated C7 biweaves, the T10 needs an A7 power distributor.

As for the weapon power, the A6 is pretty under powered compared to the Conda as well. The Conda can boast of sustained DPS well over 200 MJ/s. The T10 with MCs can output about 160 MJ/s. An A7 power distributor wouldn't really increase the DPS output, but it would allow you more variety of builds and mixing thermals and kinetics for better mixed-dmg-type sustained DPS.
 

GG7

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Ziljan said:
It has the same weapons loadout as a T9 plus 4 more large hardpoints, but has the SAME POWER DISTRIBUTOR?? :S
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Yeah... I found this a bit odd as well.

I installed the G5 upgraded 6D out of my Conda into mine trying to get the max jump range I can squeeze out of the thing. (this one has a +40% recharge increase across all three systems over the stock 6D). I coupled that with an upgraded 5A power plant that delivers 29.12MW, just shy of the 30.00MW of a stock 7A PP. :D

So in stealing all these engineered bits and bobs off my other ships that use some of the same module classes, I was able to get a max current jump range of out of my T10 of 34.73 Ly without weapons or utilities installed. This upgraded G5 7A FSD has a +51.0% over spec. (Optimised Mass = 4,075.8 T compared to stock which is listed as 2,700.0 T)

I had hoped for a jump range closer to the low to mid 40s without weapons or utilities installed, so I am a bit bummed with not being able to hit 35 Ly with all the stops pulled out. A 40ish range might still be achievable if you could pull off a +59% overspec on a 7A FSD, but that is definitely in the God Roll territory of rare.

Looks like I am going to have to head back to Farseer and see what I can come up with using a few stock 7As in rotation, with fingers crossed I get lucky. ;) I definitely need to replace this upgraded 7A I stole from my Cutter with a permanent 7A of its own.
 
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SpaceScania

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Ziljan said:
As per your question, here is why the power distributor is a big albatross.
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You just know that the calls to buff the PD on this ship to at least a C7 are going to be endless. That debate may continue until the real 3303. I can't speak for everyone else but it's the one main disappointment I have with this otherwise tantalizing design.
 

nathdixon92

nathdixon92
Ziljan said:
I don't think the T10 is a good ship for fighting Thargoids. It's too slow, and the convergence isn't good enough for fixed weapons.

As per your question, here is why the power distributor is a big albatross. C8 biweaves reform at 14.4 MJ per second, and the distro provides about 4.24 MJ per second with a G5 charge enhanced mod. So after about 3 seconds of recharging, the shields regen at only 4.24 MJ per second, which is the equivalent reforming rate of a shield between a 4C and a 5C biweave.

Currently I have about 630 MJ shields, and shields take about 54 seconds to reform. With C7 biweaves, the Anaconda regen shields reform in 44 seconds. If I had an A7 power distributor in my T10, then my shields would reform in 43 seconds. So in order for the C8 biweaves on the T10 to be AS GOOD AS the Conda's lower rated C7 biweaves, the T10 needs an A7 power distributor.

As for the weapon power, the A6 is pretty under powered compared to the Conda as well. The Conda can boast of sustained DPS well over 200 MJ/s. The T10 with MCs can output about 160 MJ/s. An A7 power distributor wouldn't really increase the DPS output, but it would allow you more variety of builds and mixing thermals and kinetics for better mixed-dmg-type sustained DPS.
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It's not designed for fixed weapons though. It's a Turretted Gunboat, which when Fdev remove the 4 AX Weapon cap, means it will be the ultimate bug hunter
 

777Driver

777Driver
Ziljan said:
I don't think the T10 is a good ship for fighting Thargoids. It's too slow, and the convergence isn't good enough for fixed weapons.

As per your question, here is why the power distributor is a big albatross. C8 biweaves reform at 14.4 MJ per second, and the distro provides about 4.24 MJ per second with a G5 charge enhanced mod. So after about 3 seconds of recharging, the shields regen at only 4.24 MJ per second, which is the equivalent reforming rate of a shield between a 4C and a 5C biweave.

Currently I have about 630 MJ shields, and shields take about 54 seconds to reform. With C7 biweaves, the Anaconda regen shields reform in 44 seconds. If I had an A7 power distributor in my T10, then my shields would reform in 43 seconds. So in order for the C8 biweaves on the T10 to be AS GOOD AS the Conda's lower rated C7 biweaves, the T10 needs an A7 power distributor.

As for the weapon power, the A6 is pretty under powered compared to the Conda as well. The Conda can boast of sustained DPS well over 200 MJ/s. The T10 with MCs can output about 160 MJ/s. An A7 power distributor wouldn't really increase the DPS output, but it would allow you more variety of builds and mixing thermals and kinetics for better mixed-dmg-type sustained DPS.
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Excellent info mate, I read all of it. Thing is I really want to switch off when people start talking about the Anaconda. Main reason why I hardly fly it, no challenge at all.

Anyway, thanks buddy.
 

Tuzmaal

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TargetLost

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Just spend all my Money (500 mil) and a lot of time for the engineer visits to equipe my T-10 Bug-Hunter. I hate the engineers.
Yes I guess that ship is meant to be a hull tank and not a fighter. So I boosted the hull and equiped it with turrets. I never used turrets till now.
Hopefully it doesnt turns out to be a dissapointment against the thargoids tomorrow.
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
Will NPCs be piloting these? In other words, can I fight a pirate ship Type 10 in a HAZ-RES? I look forward to the challenge if so :)
 
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Ziljan

Ziljan
777Driver said:
Excellent info mate, I read all of it. Thing is I really want to switch off when people start talking about the Anaconda. Main reason why I hardly fly it, no challenge at all.

Anyway, thanks buddy.
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I am just using the Conda as a referrence, but the UP Corvette or the OP Cutter would likewise do better with a C7 biweave than the T10 does with a C8 biweave, since regen mechanic is indep of ship model. So this isn't a Conda vs the rest issue, this is a top tier ship balance issue.

Currently there is no benefit to having a C8 biweave other than active regen rates (ie regen with the shields up). However, if your shields drop, then your SYS capacitor will almost instantly drop to zero which will paralyze any utility mounts that rely on SYS capacitor to function (chaff/heatsink/ECM).

Personally I prefer to use the biggest slot for biweaves, but on this ship because of the distributor, I feel I am being forced to use that slot for something else. Maybe a C8 fuel scoop? Seems like a waste. I guess I'll be coerced into using a C8 SCB just to get decent shield regen rates, which is overkill for this ship as well. And that means I have to shuffle the SCB, fuel scoop, and fighter bay around whenever travelling, super annoying. Ah well. Not the end of the world, just a bit disappointed. The C6 distro was barely keeping the T9 battlecow relevant. Really shocked they didn't update it to a balanced level for the tier for the T10 with 4 large hardpoints added.
 

racer1

racer1
GG7 said:
Yeah... I found this a bit odd as well.

I installed the G5 upgraded 6D out of my Conda into mine trying to get the max jump range I can squeeze out of the thing. (this one has a +40% recharge increase across all three systems over the stock 6D). I coupled that with an upgraded 5A power plant that delivers 29.12MW, just shy of the 30.00MW of a stock 7A PP. :D

So in stealing all these engineered bits and bobs off my other ships that use some of the same module classes, I was able to get a max current jump range of out of my T10 of 34.73 Ly without weapons or utilities installed. This upgraded G5 7A FSD has a +51.0% over spec. (Optimised Mass = 4,075.8 T compared to stock which is listed as 2,700.0 T)

I had hoped for a jump range closer to the low to mid 40s without weapons or utilities installed, so I am a bit bummed with not being able to hit 35 Ly with all the stops pulled out. A 40ish range might still be achievable if you could pull off a +59% overspec on a 7A FSD, but that is definitely in the God Roll territory of rare.

Looks like I am going to have to head back to Farseer and see what I can come up with using a few stock 7As in rotation, with fingers crossed I get lucky. ;) I definitely need to replace this upgraded 7A I stole from my Cutter with a permanent 7A of its own.
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An additional issue with the distributor is that with C8 bi-weaves you often don't have sys cap for firing off a heat sink when you want to fire an SCB so can't boost your shields.
 

Brrokk

Brrokk
The way I see it, a lot of complaints in this thread are along the lines, "The T10 isn't good at something it wasn't designed for". That would only be a problem for a multirole ship. Not only is the Type 10 designed for one particular role (fighting Thargoids), it's aimed at fulfilling that role in one particular way (slow, tough gun platform).

The Type 10 will be mine tomorrow after I've piled up a few more credits.
 
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