The UAs appear in systems that are between 135 and 150 Ly (approx) of Merope. I guess you could say the average radius is about 142 Ly.
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The UAs appear in systems that are between 135 and 150 Ly (approx) of Merope. I guess you could say the average radius is about 142 Ly.
Gah! Its a tribute to this game that there is just too much going on at once. I want to get fully back into UA research, but also want to help build this station. Oh but I need to get out to Robigo as I want to fight out there given my links with that whole region of space. But I am 2% off deadly and involved in the Emperors Dawn war, all whilst working on a private Alliance project/mission. Oh I forgot that I still have a gazillion exploration targets on my bucket list.
I need clones.
As an aside, thread 1 lasted till page 631. Thread 2 till 630. Who want to open a book on how many pages this will get too before thread 4 starts?
I need clones.
As an aside, thread 1 lasted till page 631. Thread 2 till 630. Who want to open a book on how many pages this will get too before thread 4 starts?
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After seeing that post and the previous galnet stating 'discovered' there, I spent quite a few hours signal source hopping (all types) in Warky without seeing a UA. Lots of Fed Navy convoys, plus a few T9s collecting 'dangerous waste', otherwise nothing out of the ordinary observed.
I wonder if the discovery ratio outside of the Merope UA Sphere is simply the same as it was when we only found them in convoys, i.e. so low it's easy to miss (and indeed if that applies everywhere outside of the sphere's shell).
Han_Zen's comment about the signal source indicator being different if a UA is in the source is significant and could do with confirmation if anyone's currently mapping the sphere - a huge potential time saver.
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I don't know yet. It's just an obervation. I sort of got the feeling yesterday that I 'knew' that there was an UA in the SSS, by watching the signal meter.
I will have to compare with regular SSS to be sure.
Please keep a eye on the meter when you spot one.
Live. .. just asked MB is selling UA at station having an effect. . Quote "I don't know. ... try it and find out 
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So I know I am new to the Canonn research, but having been through all the recent text, and putting it in context of what FD can realistically do with the game, without putting people off playing, has led me to a couple of ideas, of which the text above relates.
To me, the Merope-Sphere of UAs is an indication that there will be a new race [Thargoids] coming in in that area, probably based at Merope from all the UA chatter pointing there. As to why the sphere is its size - well I imagine to make the game playable and exciting, they will restrict Thargoid movement to within the sphere; that way it won't be possible atm for Thargoids to infiltrate human civilised space, so they can see how the new race is accepted within the playing community. Hence, the sphere may change size or shape in the future, but not until we are used to their presence. Ergo, the UAs now purely exist as a form of beacon, so that any Thargoid NPC ship will know that if it meets a UA whilst randomly travelling inside the sphere, it will either de-spawn or be turned around 180 degrees to continue its random path. Random being a loosely used word. I think this will essentially stop an all out hellstorm happening where the homeworlds got overrun by Thargoids, and the human pilots couldn't resist them - this would essentially result in an end-point for the game, which clearly cannot happen. I think it is worth noting though that all the above would also fit with game lore, so it is not simply a business-model mode of reasoning.
Now, we can figure that it will take a significant amount of time to build a new station, and this is where the new CG will enter the story, along with the Galnet articles about compromised stations. I don't doubt that the compromised ones will return to normality sometime soon, sadly despite any efforts we take to destroy them!! To me, these articles, especially as they have cited our work, are there to indicate the potential direction of the story involving this CG. So, I could be well off the mark, as this is like any scientific theory, but I am basing it on what we know, what we can reasonably hypothesise, and what the game's lore along with the 10 year development plan naturally infer has to happen in the game to keep it and us alive. I suspect that the new home for the station of this CG will be near to Merope. It could indeed be Merope itself, but I doubt that as to me that will be the source-point for Thargoids, whether we can access it in the future or not. We know from Sothis that the stations take forever to build [several game years, thus our years] but can be functional before full completion. So, I predict that the new station will be set to be built within the sphere itself where all the criteria intersect, and we will probably soon see a very basic skeleton station but will be unable to dock with it. Then, when we finally get round to the dawn of the Thargoids, they will compromise this station, and perhaps even cause its destruction, either by aggressive means, or by the passive decay nature that the UAs have caused to our ships and stations. So, no player at all will be able to have any vested interest in the station, or any assets at it, so for FD to compromise it will be easy, and we will just all be aghast at the event.
So to me, the development of a new station in the Frontier regions; the impending dawn of the Thargoids; the new spherical nature of the UAs; the decay nature of the UAs being passive but detrimental of course; and the predicted time-scales of all of the above probably coming to a similar point, does to me point to a possible story/situation being played out like I have alluded to above. At this point I cannot link the SS1 or Antares into the story, beyond pure conjecture - we could find that after the Thargoids dawn, it is possible for us to find wreckage of both voyagers on a planet surface within the region of space along the line plotted that we know of their trips, but I sincerely expect if we find anything of them it will be on a planet surface, so that there is in effect no chance of rescuing humans from the incidents. It could be that the SS1/Antares will not be linked into the story at this time, but I guess this is a lot more flexible from the viewpoint of FD.
So to conclude, the fact that we have seen stations get compromised by the UAs, and that there are hints of station services being affected in the future, it would follow that if we continue our research to running a clinical trial on the effect of UAs on stations [and believe me I know as I work with clinical trials daily!!], we will see more damaging effects, although reversible, as FD cannot happily restrict/remove any player's assets within that station. Any outcomes of these trials will to me, be the way we will see the new station in Pleides go down. I have no doubt that any new station in this area is already doomed sadly, because it will flow on all the lore and so on. Surely if FD didn't want this interaction with the contents of the sphere, they would have chosen any one of the other directions to go in to build it!! So, Galnet will play out the story for those not as involved as us. I imagine this will not occur overnight, but that the station' superstructure will arrive very quickly, perhaps after a week's system lock or something similar. Its easy to lock a system or more for a short time blaming problems, or game story lines, as nothing in these systems will be at risk of a player's own assets.
I hope all this makes sense, and it is written with a very large tinfoil hat on! I of course am open to any criticism, addition, detraction, or alteration of what I have written as that is good science, and ultimately I won't be unhappy if it is all proven with time to be complete garbage! However, it all seems to be following a logical course from what we know and are currently seeing, and how it is possible to further the game story & lore without compromising the main game for those players not so involved in this side of things.
Please let me know what you all think, and please also know that I in no way suggest that you shouldn't wreck some stations with UAs! To my mind any damage will be reversible, even if needing time, but it will help show us what may happen when human technology meets other technology, somewhere within the sphere that RW has initially proposed and plotted for us. Now I am off for a brew, and you know it - a biscuit or seven will come along too
Cheers, The Hat
PS: - I linked the article above for its last paragraph - to me it is a further nod towards potential risks and dangers of expanding the bubble so to speak, and those of building new stations in uncertain systems - I think you see what I mean?!
CMDR A.S.Shat
I've repped you, because I'm totally in line with your thoughts:
The UA sphere is perhaps the limit of the new Thargoid Power/Faction. Their Stations will be popping up soon. Or perhaps, some of our Stations will be CONVERTED to Thargoids', brrrrrrrr.
I'm imagining the new station that will be eventually built in Pleiades: at some point of its construction, it will be taken by Thargs
BTW, good points.
Ah, thanks again
No, it's not normal at all. You get the escape vector if you fall inside the gravity well of a massive object: as you know it happens inside planets and Stars limit zone.
Do you remember which Asteroid Belt in Merope? Did you try a second time?
Ah, thanks again
Nope. Quick tinfoilery: perhaps a massive object, or collections of objects, is in another dimension there, and only it's gravity is effecting 3D for now.
I'm parked in the general area - when I get back in game I'll go take a looksee - can you tell us the specific asteroid belt?
I feel the same. I want to keep looking at the UA system distribution, I want to help with the station building, I want to do BGS work in Varati, I want to visit Sag A*, and then there is ranking progression.
I get that the game is often grindy, but there is so much to do. I can sort of see why a lot of people believe it's "a mile wide but an inch deep", but it doesn't ring true for me.
Nice!
And I bet FD will like that as well, hardly any new artwork to do (not being cynical at all).
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Thanks @Rizal - I appreciate you taking the time to comment on my ideas/thoughts. It just all seems to me to be going in a certain direction that many of the issues/concerns/investigations that we have are all destined to somewhat collide in the near future, and within the same vicinity in the galaxy. I am also interested by the person who just spoke to MB and got the answer: "....Give it a try" - this to me means either sod all will happen, or a lot will happen. I still feel it to be reversible with time, but interesting research nonetheless.
Good times
Good times
Hello everybody,
I'm lurkin' around here for some time now and haven't written much,
because reading takes so much time ;-) But trading along with my T9
leaves enough time to think the situation over. So I am 100% sure, that
- they are not Thargoid
- and that they want to establish communication with us.
If you want to know why, read on. This is my summary of a lot of ideas
that were raised in this thread, and of some thoughts of mine.
That's it so far, thanks for reading an o7
Crassus
I'm lurkin' around here for some time now and haven't written much,
because reading takes so much time ;-) But trading along with my T9
leaves enough time to think the situation over. So I am 100% sure, that
- they are not Thargoid
- and that they want to establish communication with us.
If you want to know why, read on. This is my summary of a lot of ideas
that were raised in this thread, and of some thoughts of mine.
Establishing communication
The first question, that came to my mind, was: why should the Thargoids
do something complicated in this way to tell/show us something, if they
already were able to talk to us and give as instructions/missions? At
least this happened in the older Elite series. And I assume, that the
Thargoids haven't forgotten anything about there biggest enemies ...
Then look at the images: they are a mirror of our visual representation
during the contact - the most simple way to exchange a message created
by an intelligent brain: not the same, but a reduced image created by
connected dots. So we shall recognise, that there is something, that's
able to distance itself from the exact visual it sees. Abstraction is
an essential part of intelligence.
Secondly the image shall make sense out of a combination of ordinal
information (letters) converted into a 26x26 matrix. We shall find
ourselves (or our visual representation) in the transfered image.
This can either be a test of our intelligence or the base for further
communication. I guess, the next step will be either a bigger matrix
or different images.
Morse and the alphabet
If you look at the drawings, the order of the alphabet is essential
to create the sketch - every exchange of a letter would change the
image beyond recognition. On the other hand, the letters come to us
through morse code.
But if you look at the morse code without knowing the alphabet, you
would never come to an order like a,b,c,d,e ... Morse itself is based
on the frequency of (english!) letters. So if you just analyze a stream
of morse data and count the commonness of the signals, you would end
with a sequence, that would look like e,t,a,n,m, ... Now what would you
do, to create that 26x26 matrix, just based on a stream of morse
signals? I wouldn't even use morse but a simple ternary system and
order it in a way like . - .. -. -- ... -.. .-. --. --- and so on.
So "they" must know both of it: the morse code _and_ the alphabet. And
because they connect the sound with an only for humans reasonable
sequence, they must want to communicate with us, not with themselves,
or the Thargoids.
Our first signs of live
Why morse code? Why sound and not blinking lights? The first radio
broadcasts, that left earth and contained intelligent signals were
morse signals. They were regularly used from 1900 onwards. Because they
move with speed of light, they should be perceptible in a distance of
1400 Ly at the year 3300. So I guess, that "they" first stumbled upon
our radio broadcasted morse signals. Now they either just want to show us, how they
became aware of us, or they think, that morse is still an important way for us
to communicate.
But that is not enough to convert morse into alphabetical letters. They
must have followed the signals to their origins and must have found
something like a morse/alphabet rosetta stone. Unfortunately I didn't
find evidence, that something like this is on the pioneer or voyager
plaques. Further research is needed.
The first question, that came to my mind, was: why should the Thargoids
do something complicated in this way to tell/show us something, if they
already were able to talk to us and give as instructions/missions? At
least this happened in the older Elite series. And I assume, that the
Thargoids haven't forgotten anything about there biggest enemies ...
Then look at the images: they are a mirror of our visual representation
during the contact - the most simple way to exchange a message created
by an intelligent brain: not the same, but a reduced image created by
connected dots. So we shall recognise, that there is something, that's
able to distance itself from the exact visual it sees. Abstraction is
an essential part of intelligence.
Secondly the image shall make sense out of a combination of ordinal
information (letters) converted into a 26x26 matrix. We shall find
ourselves (or our visual representation) in the transfered image.
This can either be a test of our intelligence or the base for further
communication. I guess, the next step will be either a bigger matrix
or different images.
Morse and the alphabet
If you look at the drawings, the order of the alphabet is essential
to create the sketch - every exchange of a letter would change the
image beyond recognition. On the other hand, the letters come to us
through morse code.
But if you look at the morse code without knowing the alphabet, you
would never come to an order like a,b,c,d,e ... Morse itself is based
on the frequency of (english!) letters. So if you just analyze a stream
of morse data and count the commonness of the signals, you would end
with a sequence, that would look like e,t,a,n,m, ... Now what would you
do, to create that 26x26 matrix, just based on a stream of morse
signals? I wouldn't even use morse but a simple ternary system and
order it in a way like . - .. -. -- ... -.. .-. --. --- and so on.
So "they" must know both of it: the morse code _and_ the alphabet. And
because they connect the sound with an only for humans reasonable
sequence, they must want to communicate with us, not with themselves,
or the Thargoids.
Our first signs of live
Why morse code? Why sound and not blinking lights? The first radio
broadcasts, that left earth and contained intelligent signals were
morse signals. They were regularly used from 1900 onwards. Because they
move with speed of light, they should be perceptible in a distance of
1400 Ly at the year 3300. So I guess, that "they" first stumbled upon
our radio broadcasted morse signals. Now they either just want to show us, how they
became aware of us, or they think, that morse is still an important way for us
to communicate.
But that is not enough to convert morse into alphabetical letters. They
must have followed the signals to their origins and must have found
something like a morse/alphabet rosetta stone. Unfortunately I didn't
find evidence, that something like this is on the pioneer or voyager
plaques. Further research is needed.
That's it so far, thanks for reading an o7
Crassus
I sort of agree with this. Thargoids are not in any way unknown. Anything from them should be easily recognised by our scientists. Galnet comments also indicate that the Thargs left us under peaceful sircumstances.
Pleiades is a good plase to learn communication. Afet Mic Turner was shot down by INRA, one human ship, one Thargoid ship and at least one translator was left behind.
When Jo Merrion rescued the escape capsule he was arrested by INRA. Lots of stuff was left behind.
There was probably also a lot of Mycoid in the area and defective thargoid drives.
The perfect place to learn for a third race.
I've been doing some Galmap Fu, looking at the systems where the first free floaters were found a few months ago:
Pleiades Sector IR-W D1-34
HR 1185
HR 1172
These are all much closer to Merope, and so I suggest that the sphere of UA's is EXPANDING outwards from Merope over time and will expand further until it intersects with the populated bubble.
Just FYI
Pleiades Sector IR-W D1-34
HR 1185
HR 1172
These are all much closer to Merope, and so I suggest that the sphere of UA's is EXPANDING outwards from Merope over time and will expand further until it intersects with the populated bubble.
Just FYI
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Has anyone looked?
Thanks @Rizal - I appreciate you taking the time to comment on my ideas/thoughts. It just all seems to me to be going in a certain direction that many of the issues/concerns/investigations that we have are all destined to somewhat collide in the near future, and within the same vicinity in the galaxy. I am also interested by the person who just spoke to MB and got the answer: "....Give it a try" - this to me means either sod all will happen, or a lot will happen. I still feel it to be reversible with time, but interesting research nonetheless.
Good times
And do you believe that I've read EVERY SINGLE POST of the more than 20.000 in the UA threads? I did.
Hello everybody,
I'm lurkin' around here for some time now and haven't written much,
because reading takes so much time ;-) But trading along with my T9
leaves enough time to think the situation over. So I am 100% sure, that
- they are not Thargoid
- and that they want to establish communication with us.
If you want to know why, read on. This is my summary of a lot of ideas
that were raised in this thread, and of some thoughts of mine.
Establishing communication
The first question, that came to my mind, was: why should the Thargoids
do something complicated in this way to tell/show us something, if they
already were able to talk to us and give as instructions/missions? At
least this happened in the older Elite series. And I assume, that the
Thargoids haven't forgotten anything about there biggest enemies ...
Then look at the images: they are a mirror of our visual representation
during the contact - the most simple way to exchange a message created
by an intelligent brain: not the same, but a reduced image created by
connected dots. So we shall recognise, that there is something, that's
able to distance itself from the exact visual it sees. Abstraction is
an essential part of intelligence.
Secondly the image shall make sense out of a combination of ordinal
information (letters) converted into a 26x26 matrix. We shall find
ourselves (or our visual representation) in the transfered image.
This can either be a test of our intelligence or the base for further
communication. I guess, the next step will be either a bigger matrix
or different images.
Morse and the alphabet
If you look at the drawings, the order of the alphabet is essential
to create the sketch - every exchange of a letter would change the
image beyond recognition. On the other hand, the letters come to us
through morse code.
But if you look at the morse code without knowing the alphabet, you
would never come to an order like a,b,c,d,e ... Morse itself is based
on the frequency of (english!) letters. So if you just analyze a stream
of morse data and count the commonness of the signals, you would end
with a sequence, that would look like e,t,a,n,m, ... Now what would you
do, to create that 26x26 matrix, just based on a stream of morse
signals? I wouldn't even use morse but a simple ternary system and
order it in a way like . - .. -. -- ... -.. .-. --. --- and so on.
So "they" must know both of it: the morse code _and_ the alphabet. And
because they connect the sound with an only for humans reasonable
sequence, they must want to communicate with us, not with themselves,
or the Thargoids.
Our first signs of live
Why morse code? Why sound and not blinking lights? The first radio
broadcasts, that left earth and contained intelligent signals were
morse signals. They were regularly used from 1900 onwards. Because they
move with speed of light, they should be perceptible in a distance of
1400 Ly at the year 3300. So I guess, that "they" first stumbled upon
our radio broadcasted morse signals. Now they either just want to show us, how they
became aware of us, or they think, that morse is still an important way for us
to communicate.
But that is not enough to convert morse into alphabetical letters. They
must have followed the signals to their origins and must have found
something like a morse/alphabet rosetta stone. Unfortunately I didn't
find evidence, that something like this is on the pioneer or voyager
plaques. Further research is needed.
That's it so far, thanks for reading an o7
Crassus
Fair points, all of them.
BUT:
If I was the Thargoids, and I'm planning some kind of show up in Human space, I'd plan that in a new and original way, to not be recognized by humans, don't you think?
BTW, even if the UA are not Thargoid, or fully Thargoid, they will eventually show up in some way, that's sure. Because we are playing a game, and a game needs some kind of enemy/threat to be more thrilling and enjoyable. And if there is more than one enemy, it'd be even better...
EDIT: btw, if someone stopped Prof. Palin study, there must be something human-related at least about the UA, I mean someone knows.
And if someone sent an anonymous "threat" to Popov Le Magnifique, about his researches on Antares and SS1, also here we have something.
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YES.
No UA convoys so far.
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Ok Back in the black and off collecting Rare's... It the Canonn web site Rare's list up to date ?
And when we collect and store at Thompson dock who wants to know about it !
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And when we collect and store at Thompson dock who wants to know about it !
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Just dropped on a salvageable wreck. Scanner also "scans fast" and it was a small data cache
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