UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

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Eoran

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rizal72 said:
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If RedWizzard wants to update its Drawing Tool as well.
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For what it's worth, I also updated the presets in the UA sketch tool (note: Firefox only).. in case anyone actually uses it :)

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RedWizzard

RedWizzard
Han_Zen said:
@ Redwizzard and Clavian.

Lave Radio, episode 3 from March 2013: http://laveradio.com//?s=Religion

At about 43:45 min.
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Oh, thanks, I checked that one but I didn't wait long enough.

Here's a rough transcript of the relevant part (talk about Arthur C Clarke and time travel removed):
...even though those are the only two sentient lifeforms we know about [Thargoids, natives of Achenar], there is the alien artefact floating around in the Sol system, further information currently unknown...
Alan: It's already documented in the second game so we have started to create a context around it. There were some ideas already there in terms of what it was, and what it would be, and we then started to sort of take that a bit further, to intersperse that into the plot and the story of the ongoing universe of what we're trying to establish. I can't tell you what that artefact is. I can't tell you how it's going to interact with everything that's there. What I can tell you is, it's been mentioned, and by it being mentioned, it is significant.
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All I'm getting from that is that there was a single alien artefact found in space in the Sol system and that artefact is significant in the ED lore. I don't think there is enough there to firmly say that the 2280 artefact was a UA. The bit about it being found in Sol system is interesting though as the timeline doesn't actually state that. Alan didn't contradict it so I assume it is correct.
 
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clavain

clavain
RedWizzard said:
Oh, thanks, I checked that one but I didn't wait long enough.

Here's a rough transcript of the relevant part (talk about Arthur C Clarke and time travel removed):


All I'm getting from that is that there was a single alien artefact found in space in the Sol system and that artefact is significant in the ED lore. I don't think there is enough there to firmly say that the 2280 artefact was a UA. The bit about it being found in Sol system is interesting though as the timeline doesn't actually state that. Alan didn't contradict it so I assume it is correct.
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That's your interpretation. Mine is somewhat different. I guess we will have to wait to see whose is correct. ;-)

IIRC, does not Allen also talk about how they were using minor events mentioned in earlier games that were never really used as seeds for storylines in ED that were being fleshed out, which led into the discussion about the UA? Don't have time to listen to the podcast at the moment, on my phone.

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RedWizzard said:
I do find it surprising that you would reach that conclusion given how reluctant you are to accept that DB bringing up the UA in the context of a question about Thargoids indicates a link between the two.
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Because as previously explained, Braben replied "well" when asked about Thargoids, and then deliberately changed the subject to the UA to avoid talking about them and giving anything away. Allen talked at length about the earlier "alien artefact" and how it would fit into the ED universe and that it was significant (in my interpretation, as the first UA find).

All we need now is for Kerrash to post something nonsensical to clarify both statements. ;-)
 
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Timsk

Timsk
clavain said:
All we need now is for Kerrash to post something nonsensical to clarify both statements. ;-)
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Just listened to the full podcast (very interesting, thanks Han_Zen), and you'll never guess who got a question in right at the end... Temporally ninja'd.
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
RedWizzard said:
Oh, thanks, I checked that one but I didn't wait long enough.

Here's a rough transcript of the relevant part (talk about Arthur C Clarke and time travel removed):


All I'm getting from that is that there was a single alien artefact found in space in the Sol system and that artefact is significant in the ED lore. I don't think there is enough there to firmly say that the 2280 artefact was a UA. The bit about it being found in Sol system is interesting though as the timeline doesn't actually state that. Alan didn't contradict it so I assume it is correct.
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One observation, then: if it is the same thing, then it would also neatly explain the knowledge of Morse(acknowledging that there are other explanations) - we've said a few times that picking up ambient Morse at a distance from Earth would be tricky, apart from the few known deliberate attempts by humans to send out messages to specific areas of the cosmos. If you were floating around sol in the 23rd century, however, then you'd most likely have been spoilt for radio 'snooping' opportunities.

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Referring back to the differences in sounds used for dits and dahs in the morse that we observe, I happily confirm what Red's said. My own observations suggest that the exact sound used depends on what comes before, or where the dit/dah is in relation to others. no specifics as such, but as an example, sometimes the thing trots out a warble that sounds like a dah for a dit that comes at the end of a sequence. Stuff like that. The variation isn't huge, but it's enough to make decoding by ear that little bit trickier.

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clavain said:
That's your interpretation. Mine is somewhat different. I guess we will have to wait to see whose is correct. ;-)

IIRC, does not Allen also talk about how they were using minor events mentioned in earlier games that were never really used as seeds for storylines in ED that were being fleshed out, which led into the discussion about the UA? Don't have time to listen to the podcast at the moment, on my phone.

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Because as previously explained, Braben replied "well" when asked about Thargoids, and then deliberately changed the subject to the UA to avoid talking about them and giving anything away. Allen talked at length about the earlier "alien artefact" and how it would fit into the ED universe and that it was significant (in my interpretation, as the first UA find).

All we need now is for Kerrash to post something nonsensical to clarify both statements. ;-)
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I'm cautious - Braben obviously had a hand in some of the founding conspiracy stories in the Elite universe, and he's clearly an incredibly smart bloke - so a bit of misdirection on his part to 'accentuate' the mystery is absolutely not beyond him.

But that's why this, and all previous threads, are wrapped in several layers of tinfoil - as Morcheeba said, laconically: 'Who can you trust?'
 
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rizal72

rizal72
Just another insight about the MORSE, that I barely knew before ED, and now I can say I could work for the Army :D
When the UA is close to its death, the MORSE becomes so fast that it's REALLY hard to decode. Just to confirm that the speeding up of the UA audio, affects the MORSE as well.

@LordZoltan: I made the two CMDRs test expressely on your reqeust ;)
 
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LordZoltan

LordZoltan
rizal72 said:
Just another insight about the MORSE, that I barely knew before ED, and now I can say I could work for the Army :D
When the UA is close to its death, the MORSE becomes so fast that it's REALLY hard to decode. Just to confirm that the speeding up of the UA audio, affects the MORSE as well.

@LordZoltan: I made the two CMDRs test expressely on your reqeust ;)
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Thank you! You're a proper science star :)
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
clavain said:
That's your interpretation. Mine is somewhat different. I guess we will have to wait to see whose is correct. ;-)

IIRC, does not Allen also talk about how they were using minor events mentioned in earlier games that were never really used as seeds for storylines in ED that were being fleshed out, which led into the discussion about the UA? Don't have time to listen to the podcast at the moment, on my phone.

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Because as previously explained, Braben replied "well" when asked about Thargoids, and then deliberately changed the subject to the UA to avoid talking about them and giving anything away. Allen talked at length about the earlier "alien artefact" and how it would fit into the ED universe and that it was significant (in my interpretation, as the first UA find).

All we need now is for Kerrash to post something nonsensical to clarify both statements. ;-)
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I'm on the fence on this one. Either way as Allen says, it is significant.
 
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Souvarine

Souvarine
Hello Canonn

I've been quiet on the forums so far but have been following your progress with the UAs. You've done an amazing job!

Is there a station that you're selling UAs to to check the causal link between them and the system failures? If so, I'd like to help.

If not, I'd like to propose we try Kube-McDowell City in Opila.
 

Dommarraa

Dommarraa
Han_Zen said:
I'm on the fence on this one. Either way as Allen says, it is significant.
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Have we ever been told anything of significance?
Have you listened to it? Just after the morse had been discovered
There are things you have not discovered? Just after the floaters had been discovered
UA degrading in space is for a reason? All things do when ejected, so fd have some secret meaningless justification for it, so what
Kerrash mystic comments? Just misconstrued conflation
Palins news that the UA had non human tech? Well colour me amazed

In fact the only thing that has ever been discovered based on previous information is the pointing at Merope leading to Reds Shell. All other things have been isolated self contained discoveries
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Dommarraa said:
Have we ever been told anything of significance?
Have you listened to it? Just after the morse had been discovered
There are things you have not discovered? Just after the floaters had been discovered
UA degrading in space is for a reason? All things do when ejected, so fd have some secret meaningless justification for it, so what
Kerrash mystic comments? Just misconstrued conflation
Palins news that the UA had non human tech? Well colour me amazed

In fact the only thing that has ever been discovered based on previous information is the pointing at Merope leading to Reds Shell. All other things have been isolated self contained discoveries
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Allens comment was on the relic found in 2280s and it's significance in ED lore. The fact that it was found in the 2280s puts it way before Thargoids, INRA, Dark Wheel and even the Empire.

I don't know if it's conected at all with our UA, but a confirmation of this would rule out a lot of theories.
 
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Sigon

Sigon
I just received some really weird Morse:
QGRGRH QIRHRI PKRJRK
LBMBMC KFMEMF LDMDMC
NIOGOH NIOKOJ PGPKQG
EIGGGH EIGKGJ HKIKJG
HDICID IBIFJB KBKFLB
JGKKLK IIKIKJ MGMKNG
NPLQMQ QQSMRQ ROTOTP
JMJQKM LONMNN LONPNO
SMTQUQ LSLWMS LWNWNV
OSOWPS QSQWRS RSSSST
BBFBBC DCDFEF GBGFHF
RUSTSU QWSVSW

I think my tinfoil hat might be slipping. ;)
 

Eoran

E
Sigon said:
I just received some really weird Morse:
QGRGRH QIRHRI PKRJRK
LBMBMC KFMEMF LDMDMC
NIOGOH NIOKOJ PGPKQG
EIGGGH EIGKGJ HKIKJG
HDICID IBIFJB KBKFLB
JGKKLK IIKIKJ MGMKNG
NPLQMQ QQSMRQ ROTOTP
JMJQKM LONMNN LONPNO
SMTQUQ LSLWMS LWNWNV
OSOWPS QSQWRS RSSSST
BBFBBC DCDFEF GBGFHF
RUSTSU QWSVSW

I think my tinfoil hat might be slipping. ;)
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Hehe, a sober warning indeed!

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Cmdr Delmonte[VR]

Cmdr Delmonte[VR]
Afternoon Commanders
I am receiving offers to assist in "Re acquiring" all of the rares.... Do we want / need to ? The at least lead us to the discovery
That "T" class transports are significant.
In the mean time I still have a ticket open with FD they are now reviewing the video and the video of the contents
of the cargo hold that I made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjm-rYffsdA so not done yet !!!!
.
o7
 
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