UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

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Last night it would've been alcohol, so probably best I kept my musings to the ridiculous ;)

I, too, am enjoying the debate - it's heading for top billing on the 'Now That's What I Call Science!' UA TinFoil Theorisation Compilation, vol 11 :D
 
Do you have any more info besides this snippet? This is part of my running theory... having played Frontier and FFE back when, but not being too cogniscient of AI within the game. "

I recommend to read 'A Business Proposal' by Martyn Taylor: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/first-e...-of-life-on-the-frontier/a-business-proposal/

Also the Personal adds, at the bottom of the Journals tells a bit about human/android relations: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/first-encounters/journals/all/

There is a lot more about androids in the Journals, but no indication on where it all went wrong, except perhaps the article 'Killer in your Plastic'
 
That's fair. Clavaian would argue that it's the other way around. Domarraa would probably argue that the entire speculation is futile and unscientific. I'm still on the fence in this case. I think you all have some good points and I like the discussion. :)
Indeed I would, but I dont like to shut people up. Thinking about reposting the "Reasonable Theory" requirements though
 
Two suggestions/questions:
1. Maybe discovery of wireframe UA made pictures of our ships directs us to look for clues in fist Elite games (one with wireframe graphics). Maybe it's in the history or in some missions there, or maybe Braben gave us hint while talking about old Elite on some interview.

2. (long stretch :)) Do we know how Frame Shift Drive module looks like? I suggest that maybe UA is FSD remains from a shipwreck infected by some alien spores. So maybe try thinking of UA as a space faring organism (maybe showing hive behavior - considering the Merope shell and increased findings of shipwrecks there (I hear it's a thing, right?))

Sorry if any of it was already considered
 
Has anyone taken a UA to visit a capital ship - just wondering if it would draw the capital ship (as per usual ship-drawing behaviour), or spell its name (as per the nearest station behaviour) or, perhaps, do something different?
 
Has anyone taken a UA to visit a capital ship - just wondering if it would draw the capital ship (as per usual ship-drawing behaviour), or spell its name (as per the nearest station behaviour) or, perhaps, do something different?

Yes. No. No. No.

Methinks the UA mystery is no longer engaging enough to keep me from switching to the Fallout franchise.
 
Indeed I would, but I dont like to shut people up. Thinking about reposting the "Reasonable Theory" requirements though

Yes, these theories aren't useful in that they're not testable or lead to any obvious practical consequences. But they highlighted some sources that were pretty obscure and that's valuable. Also gives me something to do on the long trek between points of interest out here above the core.
 
I recommend to read 'A Business Proposal' by Martyn Taylor: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/first-e...-of-life-on-the-frontier/a-business-proposal/

Also the Personal adds, at the bottom of the Journals tells a bit about human/android relations: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/first-encounters/journals/all/

There is a lot more about androids in the Journals, but no indication on where it all went wrong, except perhaps the article 'Killer in your Plastic'

Hmm. I've had a brief flick through, tl;dr I definitely do need to read more, but I forecast the possibility for this to derail into a "Are androids AIs?" discussion/debate which largely boils down to "depends what universe you're talking about", so I'll just leave that one for now :)

Was going to +1 you, but can't, so instead have a link to some luxury fingers.
 
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Aah ok.
Fallout 3 is/was one of my most favourite games - got totally immersed in that for a LONG time!
But back to Elite - I've gone exploring again as I figure we probably won't see anything new with the UAs until the next update - and of course people will be doing lots of research within Beta, which will kind of spoil the surprise in the Vanilla game a bit I think.

Yes. No. No. No.

Methinks the UA mystery is no longer engaging enough to keep me from switching to the Fallout franchise.
 
Yes. No. No. No.

Methinks the UA mystery is no longer engaging enough to keep me from switching to the Fallout franchise.

We have no influence whatsoever on the unfolding of this mystery, we are just observers. Whenever we find something interesting, it's not acknowledged by FD[SIZE=1] (Player-submitted galnet articles which don't make the story unfold faster)[/SIZE] ; so yeah, have a break and come back when they decide to push the story forward (probably when Horizons hits. We might get a bone thrown at us with 1.5 though.)

Anyway, I'll stick to the INRA convoy, 'cause too much attention gets put on the freefloaters. Has anybody REALLY investigated on the disappearance of the UA convoys? We're saying they've disappeared but maybe they haven't, our focus has just shifted. Not that we have to scour the bubble to find them again, but my point is that the cargo found with the UA is still interesting. Medical Convoys have "homogenous" cargo, pointing towards weird super-soldier experiments (hey, just a member's theory, not given as fact.) UA Convoys may also have this kinda homogenous cargo, with Reactive Armour and Weapons, leading to the idea that the UA was created as a weapon using alien technology.

It'd be nice for it to have been created by the INRA as a biological weapon only to become sentient and get recognized (further down the line of course) as a serious threat to both humanity and the Thargoids. Man I like this idea. Not gonna happen though.
 
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As Red says, all the speculation regarding the provenance of the UAs is not useful in game at all - it doesn't help us with knowing where the mystery is going next, nor does it tell us where we're really at now. What amazes me, however, is how much texture there is to the rest of the lore that might or might not feed into this mystery as it develops.

I don't always have the time to read it, of course - there's just so much of it! - but seeing how deep that is makes me wonder how deep this mystery, and potentially others (SS1 & Antares, for example; which I don't believe have an alien cause at all, but are very human conspiracies), will go.

We don't even know if there's much more to discover about the UAs right now - but we do know that the shell, for example, is very deliberately significant in some way, and clearly hints at Merope being of importance (we had a Galnet stating the shell and Merope as fact published in Galnet).

Of what importance, however, we've not been able to deduce.

We're also still in the dark as to why the transporter class ships, when they release a UA, revert its behaviour, we just know that they do, and that's it.

There's two outstanding mysteries there that I have a feeling we might be able to figure out.

Clavain's recent experiences show, also, that seeing them in 'the flesh' is the only way to study them properly. In my own case, there are things I noticed (see a few pages back!) that were genuinely new to me, despite my lengthy presence here.
 
I tried to bring an UA to LAWD 26, because its station Stone's Legacy looks like an UA and Witch's Reach is very close, tried to drop by the Wolf-Rayet star, in the station, after that I sold it.
It was yesterday, today half of the station is in darkness :)

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Polaris is still locked. It's known FD have intentionally locked some systems, Polaris is likely one of these.
UPDATE ON ISINOR: Not being able to get the Isinor permit is INTENDED, not a bug . Apparently no one was supposed to get the Isinor permit yet, so what was thought to be a bug was actually "working as intended". The link to the relevant thread.
Miacke,, doesn't exist as far as I know?
Pleione is a stonethrow from Merope, which is arguably the center of all this. Why that and Pleione, no idea. But no, I personally haven't looked there recently.
 
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Polaris is still locked. It's known FD have intentionally locked some systems, Polaris is likely one of these.

Miacke,, doesn't exist as far as I know?
Pleione is a stonethrow from Merope, which is arguably the center of all this. Why that and Pleione, no idea. But no, I personally haven't looked there recently.

Polaris - I check access with a UA every release
Pleione - I check it with every release, but there is no indication that it is relevant
Isinor - I have the permit, and have checked it in the past. However, there is no indication that it is relevant so I dont do so regularly. The "bug" status of Isinor is very vague. While it is working as intended that the Permit isnt available, I am not convinced that this is by specific design, or just a consequence of the BGS, or that it was originally a "bug" that it was available.

I am sure reading the backstory is interesting, but please point out even 1 thing in the backstory that actually exists in ED. Even if the system exists, the planets either dont, or are vastly different. I appreciate that it is supposedly all cannon, but it is not very cannon.
 
Hmm. I've had a brief flick through, tl;dr I definitely do need to read more, but I forecast the possibility for this to derail into a "Are androids AIs?" discussion/debate which largely boils down to "depends what universe you're talking about", so I'll just leave that one for now :)

Was going to +1 you, but can't, so instead have a link to some luxury fingers.

There were all grades of androids in the past, from humans with implant enhancements, hybrids (like Jaquess) and those with full silicon based synapses. The latter are basically pure AI as I understand it.

The word AI was never used to my knowledge.

Thanks for the fingers.
 
Polaris - I check access with a UA every release
Pleione - I check it with every release, but there is no indication that it is relevant
Isinor - I have the permit, and have checked it in the past. However, there is no indication that it is relevant so I dont do so regularly. The "bug" status of Isinor is very vague. While it is working as intended that the Permit isnt available, I am not convinced that this is by specific design, or just a consequence of the BGS, or that it was originally a "bug" that it was available.

I am sure reading the backstory is interesting, but please point out even 1 thing in the backstory that actually exists in ED. Even if the system exists, the planets either dont, or are vastly different. I appreciate that it is supposedly all cannon, but it is not very cannon.

One thing in the backstory that actually exists in ED? Does a quote from an article in FFE count?

ANOTHER ALIEN RACE.
J.F.

It must be that the silly news season has started early this year. Reports in journals which will try anything to increase their circulation are normally easy enough to dismiss: when they are tied into hard news stories like the recent loss of the Highliner Antares then the morality of the news hounds (we can call them nothing more opprobrious) who perpetrate these fictions must be called into question by any responsible member of the journalistic profession.

Your reporter watched the departure of Antares on her maiden voyage, the monolayer streamers glinting in the harsh light of Sirius as she moved gently away from the orbital habitat and out to launch range. Spacemen talk of a graveyard of lost ships, a place where all who lose their lives in the colossal drive to colonise the galaxy rest in gentle luxury.

We can be sure that the great Highliner Antares is now of their company.

Remembering the Antares Incident

Continuing GalNet’s exclusive series highlighting key events in human history, historian Sima Kalhana remembers the Antares Incident.

In last week’s article about the Sirius Corporation, I described the Antares iIncident as one of the corporation’s greatest failures. Until the recent disappearance of Starship One, this was considered the most infamous spacegoing accident of all time.

The Highliner Antares was to be the first of a new type of fast, comfortable liner, making a trip in hours rather than the weeks that were common at the time, and offering a previously unseen level of luxury – something we are accustomed to in the top-class liners of today. It was the first ship to use a production version of a new type of hyperdrive, a predecessor to the modern fast hyperdrives.

The Antares vanished during its maiden voyage in the Sirius system in 3251, with many celebrity guests on board. The event is poignantly remembered in this quote from the Federal Times:

“Your reporter watched the departure of Antares on her maiden voyage, the monolayer streamers glinting in the harsh light of Sirius as she moved gently away from the orbital habitat and out to launch range. Spacemen talk of a graveyard of lost ships, a place where all who lose their lives in the colossal drive to colonise the galaxy rest in gentle luxury.

“We can be sure that the great Highliner Antares is now in their company.”

The exact cause of the accident was never properly determined. The final report indicated that it was most likely caused by the unlucky failure of a single component during the start of the jump, causing a small fire in a key part of the drive that resulted in a massive explosion and consequent misjump at the same time. There were, of course, a great many fanciful explanations, too.

Since the accident, no confirmed wreckage of the ship has ever been found, although several claims of discovery have been made over the years. Combined with the lack of a definitive cause, this has led to considerable speculation and many conspiracy theories concerning what actually occurred.

The final safety report into the incident found there were insufficient safety precautions within the internal drive systems. This delayed the commercial introduction of these drives for several years, damaging the Sirius Corporation, and ultimately resulting in the fitting of many additional safety features to these new hyperdrives. It was later speculated that the deaths of those on the Highliner Antares effectively saved the lives of many more in the subsequent decades, as the number of ships that went missing was measurably reduced, and the new drives proved to be much more reliable than the earlier, slower drives they replaced.

Sorry if that was not what you meant. (The Antares Incident is driving me crazy.)
 
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Polaris is still locked. It's known FD have intentionally locked some systems, Polaris is likely one of these.

Miacke,, doesn't exist as far as I know?
Pleione is a stonethrow from Merope, which is arguably the center of all this. Why that and Pleione, no idea. But no, I personally haven't looked there recently.

Nice one.
Polaris locked you say, hmm suspicious . . . .
Miacke co-ords were 37,144 so could be worth trying to figure roughly where that is, Pleione was at 32,32 Sol at 0,0 which we use as a reference, but I doubt that it maps very well as the old FFE galaxy was whole lot flatter than ED.
 
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