UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

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Mixing in-game and out-of-game observations - if Thargoids feature in this game, Frontier will likely update them and their technology, visually. What we expect of aliens and their ships has evolved greatly over the last 30 years, just as our own technology has advanced. If they do this, they likely will need a lore explanation for this change.

Cue the article in Galnet talking about how branches of a civilisation from different times and places could seem entirely different and yet be related. This, to me, is Frontier saying "if the aliens in the game aren't what you expect, it's because they're an offshoot civilisation, but they're still related".

This also means that the scientific 'rejection' of Thargoid origin of the UAs might not be the conclusive slam-dunk it appears to be. It might just mean the artefacts don't correspond to the technology/materials of the Thargoids we've met; but may well correspond to the Thargoid civilisation we're about to meet!

From MB:



Perhaps this "divergent" branch of Thargoid civilisation is actually the "mother species", the main branch? I know pretty much nothing about Thargoid FTL capabilities, so I don't know if there are time dilation effects; which might impact on the technological differences/evolution between branches of their civilisation.

All supposition, of course.

I'd look at the divergent species very much the same way I'd look at the evolution of the common honey bee vs. the Red Wasp or the Hornet.... One is benign if undisturbed, the other aggressive when attacked the other plain simply evil...
 
I'd look at the divergent species very much the same way I'd look at the evolution of the common honey bee vs. the Red Wasp or the Hornet.... One is benign if undisturbed, the other aggressive when attacked the other plain simply evil...


...I think you mean cazadores...I mean tarantula hawks for that last one..
 
From what I understand those give extremely painful stings but aren't particularly aggressive. OTOH the Japanese Giant Hornet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_giant_hornet) can kill people even when they're not allergic to the venom, and when they attack honey bee hives a single hornet can kill 40 bees per minute.

fair enough on the Japanese hornet. And now I wish that FD had a function kinda like Valve does with TF2 where players can submit content designs for sale and drop in game as I really really want a tarantuala hawk themed paintjob on my diamondback.


also to keep things topical I just perused though galnet, nothing new indicating any further station breakdowns, no further blaming of the UAs on the station problems or any resolutions of problems at the stations affected.


So throwing palladium at the problem is not the answer.
 
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Let's put it this way - from my point of view at least, which might be a minority viewpoint: I'd rather not read/watch/hear/be hinted at anything about any UA developments in the beta, even if MB and co didn't seem to mind last time.

I appreciate the burning desire many of us have - but for those without beta it ruins it. Also, I feel it wouldn't be fair for anyone to get a 'head start' over those that can't, and basically go glory hunting for when it becomes more widely available, and start posting swathes of information.

The reason we're at thread #4 and a sixth of the way to thread #5, and the reason the Canonn has a broad membership, is because it's been a collaborative effort - and a few people going off and 'scouting ahead' for spoilers goes against that principle in my opinion.

Like I say, it's just my opinion. People will do what they will do, and neither II, nor anyone else, has any power to stop them.

Edit: did I mention it's just my opinion?

As a noob I agree with your stance. Betas are released to provide the final quality control by a wide user base to iron out any final bugs before the full release. I expect significant new developments in various storylines with the new release, including with the UAs; however I think FD are very intelligent guys & well aware of the issues attached to beta releases. So I expect people with the beta will be able to do various new things, & will see some additional clues/teasers, but that these new things will only be fully brought into the plotlines by FD in the full release. In fact I suspect that any new findings in the beta might contain a few red herrings to keep people busy
:))

PS why is it on occasions I'm typing in this thread & it throws me back to the login screen, losing all my typing-what key am I inadvertently pressing to cause this?
 
Salty biscuits? From what I understand, a biscuit in the UK is what we call a cookie in the United States. A salty one sounds nasty.

Used to be able to get Peanut Cookies in the UK (eee, years ago, when I were a lad, ah remember it well!) - they were salty but absolutely scrummy; alas I haven't seen them for years
 
How about some RIZ CRACKERS :rolleyes:

YES! :D

BTW, my thoughts about beta: being a beta backer myself, I will have access to the beta as usual.

What I plan to do:
I will not spoil anything. I mean, perhaps I'll take a look at just one thing: if the UA is still spawning 135/150Ly from Merope. I'll check just that.
But I will not tell you :D
 
As a noob I agree with your stance. Betas are released to provide the final quality control by a wide user base to iron out any final bugs before the full release. I expect significant new developments in various storylines with the new release, including with the UAs; however I think FD are very intelligent guys & well aware of the issues attached to beta releases. So I expect people with the beta will be able to do various new things, & will see some additional clues/teasers, but that these new things will only be fully brought into the plotlines by FD in the full release. In fact I suspect that any new findings in the beta might contain a few red herrings to keep people busy
:))

PS why is it on occasions I'm typing in this thread & it throws me back to the login screen, losing all my typing-what key am I inadvertently pressing to cause this?

FD failed to demonstrate this sensibility during the last Beta, so I wouldn't count on it.
 
Pointing out some things:

The UA's "pointing to Merope" behavior was discovered during 1.4 beta, yes, indeed.
BUT
all the new morse signals were discovered later, in released game: I'm not able to say if the new morse was still present in the beta, but what if not? ;)

What I mean is that, perhaps, FD can definitely "hide" some things from the beta...
 
Pointing out some things:

The UA's "pointing to Merope" behavior was discovered during 1.4 beta, yes, indeed.
BUT
all the new morse signals were discovered later, in released game: I'm not able to say if the new morse was still present in the beta, but what if not? ;)

What I mean is that, perhaps, FD can definitely "hide" some things from the beta...

I can imagine anything found in the beta will be recorded by beta-ers, then solved by those who arnt participating in the beta.

This thread solves everything as a group. Some people record, others solve, together we science.

So it has been, so shall it remain.
 
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YES! :D

BTW, my thoughts about beta: being a beta backer myself, I will have access to the beta as usual.

What I plan to do:
I will not spoil anything. I mean, perhaps I'll take a look at just one thing: if the UA is still spawning 135/150Ly from Merope. I'll check just that.
But I will not tell you :D

Important to notice that 'RIZ CRACKERS' are always written in caps and bold.
 
Final report after a total of a good 2 hours of roaming Timocani:
No UA convoys were found. Quite a bit of bounty was earned and fun was had. Thanks to Cmdr Willy Whale for jumping over and winging up for a while.

Edit: There was one thing. We ran into a Medical Convoy, and the Python was shooting at apparently empty space, and after a while sent something about the having failed the mission and they all started jumping out.

Yes. We dropped in on a T9 with three Vultures as escort. I cargo (and KWs on same fire group) scanned the T9. Cargo was occupied pods, progenitor cells, scientific research, the usual.

Not sure what triggered it bit the chatter changed to say MISSION FAILED and they all jumped out together. CMDR Unrealization wake scanned bit the system was beyond the jump range of our Vultures.

I assume the chatter is standard but no idea what triggered the mission failed.

UB
 
Moons Of Merope

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We've arived at our conclusion;

Not every one has beta access
Not every one will have Horizons once it goes public, either.

If those who own horrizons, but don't also have beta access, are going to land in merope post-beta, the people who don't even own horrizons are going to feel left out.

I'm sure that's not going to stop anyone who owns horrizons (but not the beta) from landing in merope post-beta.

Therefore, by that logic, us beta players will apply the same actions to our situation. We will be touching down during beta. All discoveries will be posted here & on the main thread.
 
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We've arived at our conclusion;

Not every one has beta access
Not every one will have Horizons once it goes public, either.

If those who own horrizons, but don't also have beta access, are going to land in merope post-beta, the people who don't even own horrizons are going to feel left out.

I'm sure that's not going to stop anyone who owns horrizons (but not the beta) from landing in merope post-beta.

Therefore, by that logic, us beta players will apply the same actions to our situation. We will be touching down during beta. All discoveries will be posted here & on the main thread.

Agreed.
I, as for myself, will use spoilers tags.
 
Not every one has beta access
Not every one will have Horizons once it goes public, either.

If those who own horrizons, but don't also have beta access, are going to land in merope post-beta, the people who don't even own horrizons are going to feel left out.

I think a Beta and an Add-On are two different things. Anybody can get Horizons, but not everybody can just get into the Beta now. And not everybody wants Beta Access, for a variety of reasons.

While ultimately I of course cannot forbid anybody to jump ahead and go test things, and I completely understand the curiosity that drives people to do this, I think we should try not to UA in Betas.
Rizal, do you think you're really just gonna go check out if the bubble is still in the same place? Isn't this information, if we're being really honest, completely worthless by itself, and also easily confirmed within 20 minutes of general release?

My point being that some people may decide not to participate anymore simply because they feel left out because of not having a head start thanks to the Beta.
As I said, Horizons is a different thing, because it's a personal choice whether or not to get it, but for the Beta it's the Beta players which I think should be considerate of those who will not be able to join in on the fun.

So, yeah, I understand the curiosity that makes people want to go out and test any potential new stuff, but maybe take a moment to consider whether or not it would bother you if you were periodically left without a chance to participate in the new discoveries, other than reading and talking about them.
 
Final report after a total of a good 2 hours of roaming Timocani:
No UA convoys were found. Quite a bit of bounty was earned and fun was had. Thanks to Cmdr Willy Whale for jumping over and winging up for a while.
Edit: There was one thing. We ran into a Medical Convoy, and the Python was shooting at apparently empty space, and after a while sent something about the having failed the mission and they all started jumping out.

Yes. We dropped in on a T9 with three Vultures as escort. I cargo (and KWs on same fire group) scanned the T9. Cargo was occupied pods, progenitor cells, scientific research, the usual.
Not sure what triggered it bit the chatter changed to say MISSION FAILED and they all jumped out together. CMDR Unrealization wake scanned bit the system was beyond the jump range of our Vultures.
I assume the chatter is standard but no idea what triggered the mission failed.
UB

Greetings CMDR's!

As this would be one of the interesting things since a long long time:
T9 with scientific research? Please notice the redundance: CMDR Willy Whale "T9" vs CMDR Unrealization speaks from "Python"
Mission failed? Wake from T9 was beyond jump range of your Vultures? How many Ly / to wich system?
Realy none of you both was able to push F10 or other screenshot-button?

Personally only saw scientific research in Python medical convois (up to over 800 ly from SOL). And one single found as free floating cargo in a WSS in Beta 1.4 (never again in current).
You force me back in game with that to verify this ...
Please update if something was wrong in one of the statements.

Also for a very last time I try to remember that all the Pythons in medical convois have an FSD interdictor!
Very common to have a interdictor in a "Patient Transport Ambulance (PTA)" Please compare with Euronorm EN 1789 in 2015 ... :D
Smells like simple manhunter at the search for special DNA ... and seems more fit to to "Master Chef' Story" then UA GALNET link

We salute you!
 
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