Ungulate Talk

Spiderhawk

Spiderhawk
My opinion on ungulates
Rhinos and tapirs
I personally think we have enough tapirs and rhinos that provide a fine representation of the species across the world.
Equine
P-horses are a must as they are highly requested. Not too interested in donkeys or mustangs but another equine is a must.
Cervid
I really only cared about getting moose. Either way, reindeer and moose are very different compared to the other deer representatives. With the addition of the fallow deer, it feels like we have a more basic deer type.
Antelope
I think we have plenty of hoofstock from Africa. If we are to get other antelope I agree they should represent other parts of the world
Camelids
Dromedary camals have been teased with scenery and what not, that would give us an Australian representative (I know they are feral/invasive).
I used to raise alpacas so I love alpacas very much but I don’t think a domesticated species should get priority over Vicuña or Guanacos. Then again we have llamas but Guanacos would have made a better fit.
Suidae
Peccarys would be a good to represent NA and Central America and the Red River hog is some pig!
Caprids
I 100% agree with you
Bovids
I’ll take yak and guar
 

Otter Lord

Otter Lord
SanRazo618 said:
I agree that Asia needs more hoof stock badly it’s so underrepresented there. Yesterday I visited animal kingdom and they had a asian grassland/ good stock yard with Asian water buffalo, blackbuck, and elds deer and it made me want asian grasslands all the more! I really hope we get more hoofstock
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And bar headed geese! That exhibit is probably the best thing about Animal Kingdom, which probably explains my own preferences.

markun said:
I agree that we should have more animals from more areas fullstop. But I disagree with your framing of the question. Just because someone is in the “west” doesn’t make them “western-centric” and the appeal of any species isn’t limited only to those with first hand experience or cultural familiarity with it.
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Absolutely, appeal is not limited to just experience and cultural familiarity, but that is why we have Moose, Reindeer, and Fallow Deer. My primary interest in animals and nature is biodiversity, and to me the interest in deer is the morphology and ecological diversity, and this is most observed in South to Southeast Asia. Deer are diverse and fulfill many ecological niches there, just like antelope do in Africa. Western audiences don't care though because they are seeing them through the lens of western species. They think, "oh, it's just another deer," and they aren't given a chance to be interesting. We can discuss what makes animals appealing all day, but I think you would agree that there is certainly Western bias involved.
Aramar said:
Just saying that reindeer and moose live in Asia too...
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Fallow deer are technically from Asia too. They originated in Turkey, and then European civilizations spread them everywhere. They're basically pigeons.
 

markun

markun
Otter Lord said:
Western audiences don't care though because they are seeing them through the lens of western species. They think, "oh, it's just another deer," and they aren't given a chance to be interesting. We can discuss what makes animals appealing all day, but I think you would agree that there is certainly Western bias involved.
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I think that’s a sweeping generalisation. I think there are many reasons why people are or aren’t interested in a species - and I wouldn’t assume they aren’t interested - and I wouldn’t accept there is a western bias, rather people can be dismissive of what doesn’t appear to be special, wherever they are. And here zoos bear a responsibility to make things appear special, something they don’t always do.
 

SanRazo618

SanRazo618
Otter Lord said:
And bar headed geese! That exhibit is probably the best thing about Animal Kingdom, which probably explains my own preferences.


Absolutely, appeal is not limited to just experience and cultural familiarity, but that is why we have Moose, Reindeer, and Fallow Deer. My primary interest in animals and nature is biodiversity, and to me the interest in deer is the morphology and ecological diversity, and this is most observed in South to Southeast Asia. Deer are diverse and fulfill many ecological niches there, just like antelope do in Africa. Western audiences don't care though because they are seeing them through the lens of western species. They think, "oh, it's just another deer," and they aren't given a chance to be interesting. We can discuss what makes animals appealing all day, but I think you would agree that there is certainly Western bias involved.

Fallow deer are technically from Asia too. They originated in Turkey, and then European civilizations spread them everywhere. They're basically pigeons.
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How could I forget the geese! They were all huddled up next to the bridge next to the second tiger viewing sleeping curled up in little balls so cute! Interesting fact I just learned: they are one of the highest flying bird species to get over the Himalayas! That’s insane!
 
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KönigDerKaffeebohnen

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markun said:
I think that’s a sweeping generalisation. I think there are many reasons why people are or aren’t interested in a species - and I wouldn’t assume they aren’t interested - and I wouldn’t accept there is a western bias, rather people can be dismissive of what doesn’t appear to be special, wherever they are. And here zoos bear a responsibility to make things appear special, something they don’t always do.
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Agree with that, especally when we take a look at all the dismussive statements about european animals since the game came out.
Theres no western bias, if anything a murrica bias, but thats another can of worms
 

Anthracite_Impreza

Anthracite_Impreza
Long time stalker and another ungulate fan (although doggos are my favourite and I still want them all).

My most wanted in PZ are:
Pere David's deer
Red deer
Chital or sambar
Scimitar horned oryx
Fringe eared oryx (one can dream)
Nilgai
Chiru (apparently they aren't kept in captivity but idc)
Chamois
At least one takin
Siberian musk deer
At least one duiker
At least one dik dik
Musk ox
Markhor
Impala
Blackbuck
Kiang
Przewalski's wild horse
Grevy's or mountain zebra
Guanaco or vicuna (was quite miffed we got a domesticated llama instead of these tbh, much as I love them)
(and some cetaceans but I know we're never gonna get them)
 

SanRazo618

SanRazo618
Anthracite_Impreza said:
Long time stalker and another ungulate fan (although doggos are my favourite and I still want them all).

My most wanted in PZ are:
Pere David's deer
Red deer
Chital or sambar
Scimitar horned oryx
Fringe eared oryx (one can dream)
Nilgai
Chiru (apparently they aren't kept in captivity but idc)
Chamois
At least one takin
Siberian musk deer
At least one duiker
At least one dik dik
Musk ox
Markhor
Impala
Blackbuck
Kiang
Przewalski's wild horse
Grevy's or mountain zebra
Guanaco or vicuna (was quite miffed we got a domesticated llama instead of these tbh, much as I love them)
(and some cetaceans but I know we're never gonna get them)
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I feel the same on cetaceans I really want them. Especially a beluga but the community is so split on it my hopes for that are shot at this point 😔
 

Anthracite_Impreza

Anthracite_Impreza
SanRazo618 said:
I feel the same on cetaceans I really want them. Especially a beluga but the community is so split on it my hopes for that are shot at this point 😔
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I've read the arguments, many times. At the end of the day it's a game, and elephants and polar bears are equally controversial. Hell, zoos in general are controversial. Don't see why cetaceans are a special case tbh. But, I'd still rather get any of the ungulates on this thread before them, so it's not a massive issue for me; feel bad for the Marine Mania fans though, I don't think they're ever gonna get a modern version.
 

SanRazo618

SanRazo618
Anthracite_Impreza said:
I've read the arguments, many times. At the end of the day it's a game, and elephants and polar bears are equally controversial. Hell, zoos in general are controversial. Don't see why cetaceans are a special case tbh. But, I'd still rather get any of the ungulates on this thread before them, so it's not a massive issue for me; feel bad for the Marine Mania fans though, I don't think they're ever gonna get a modern version.
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Coming from the biggest one... yea I don’t know if we will
 
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