Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

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OOOH shiny, thanks!
Might venture there after i checked out the lagoon nebula for a trace/hint.
Scrabs stand for immortality?
My mind directly makes a connection with the excerpt i posted.
They said to have destroyed the "8th part", but "RAXXLA" will still exist,
just travel (time? space?) and be still active.
Also "the moon still exists", which is symbolic
in german mythology for the "hunter", always moving
never stopping.

On behalf of the involvement of the "Dark Wheel":
The galaxy we are situated in is a spiral galaxy, can it be viewed as a wheel?
Maybe as a bright wheel, and the "subspace" or "witchspace" be a "Dark Wheel" dimension
overlapping with us in certain "nodes"?

http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/dkwheel.htm

[FONT=ARIAL,HELVETICA] Rafe smiled, shaking his head. Suddenly there was a brilliant sparkle in his eyes: 'Raxxla's no alien,
Alex. It's a ghost world. A planet. A legend . . .' He hesitated, staring quizzically at the younger man through the distant link between them, 'Jason really said that to you?'
Alex nodded. 'Moments before . . . It was the last thing he said.'
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Not sure wheather it's still canon or not but that was the book at the time.

All those ancient stories, when they talk about heavens it's like what we call other dimensions now. There is meant to be many of them, all occupy the same space as it were.
I saw another post from DB himself saying one of the versions of Elite had 16 dimensions, that they intended to add a Raxxla mission and how it intended to unlock but didnt add it in the end or the other dimensions.
The link is on this forum somewhere, i read it this morning. I'll try find it again.

So Dark Wheel could be named after the galaxy we can't see, right in front of us :p its there but not there i think some of the elite missions state too.
They got to be involved again.
 
I have been trying to interpret them for days now, i just cant do it. I dont think they are just random sounds.
They seem to come every 9(ish) seconds, but its not nearly as constant/fixed as the purr intervals. you can (kind of) track them across the recording but it seems to me that one type of the sounds (that looks/sounds like a small purr, "klacklacklacklack") distorts the intervals someway. (maybe they act as some kind of spacing/divider in the data)
There seems to be 9 different variants of the sounds that are combined in different ways into what looks like morse letters and at least 2 variants of the "small purr" sound.
At first glance they look like letters in morse but if you study them closer some of the "letters" make no sense! Some of the sound variants are more often paired with each other in reoccurring groups (kinda like "words"?) and if you listen very close they sound like each variant have structure within them.
I believe each variant are an individual letter/symbol and they spell out abbreviated words, like a telegraphed message accompanying the location/nearest station in morse. If they are indeed letters, they are well hidden/warped and it makes it really hard to hear. Some of the variants are "long" enough and structured in a way (sounds like it has a pause) that would suggest it contains multiple letters.

9 letters/symbols are not enough to spell out any message tho. If the small "groups" of varants (they usually come in 3 or 2´s) are abbreviations of words, they do not come in repeating sentences. (which is not helping)

9 letters/symbols + the "small purr" would allow for it being the arabic numerals (0-9) but the variants are too "different" from each other to be interpreted as 0-9 in morse-code. And even if it just was a string of numbers with no end or startpoint, im not sure what we would be able to do with it.

9 letters/symbols would also allow for it being an extended harvard spectral classification of stars with the 9 spectral types (O, B, A, F, G, K, M, L, T). Or the 9 different morgan-keenan luminosity classes (Ia-O, Ia, Ib, II, III, IV, V, VI (or sd), D). (both classifications are used in game). Each "word" would describe a system of stars divided by the small purrs. This is wishful thinking on my part tho and i have tried to assign the variants to these with no result.

A lot of people think that the sound is analysed to death and that there is nothing to find but i think this really sticks out.
Remember that the the community, including the "sound engineers apply here thread" could not find the morse (which is pretty obvious now that we know about it) for 2 months and the thirst for solving and the hype surrounding this mystery was much larger back then.

I urge people to try and listen for these themselves and whack their brains at it! :)

Important to note is that these sounds stay during "sleipnir-like behaviour" (i believe rizal is doing research on what makes this happen) when the background noise disappears and the purrs seem much less frequent. The only thing left in the audio being the purrs, the howls, the chittering and these "tiny sound variants" in question. I think this somehow speaks to its relevance.

I can't rep you enough. I'm not sure if there's such a thing as telepathy, but for the past few days I've been thinking about these sounds as well - for the same reasons you mention. I've noticed them while doing my trips with Bob, but was kinda in a state as you describe "sound is analyzed to death", there must be something already done about these too. What got me convinced to look into it was the "clean" recordings - where the bg sound was gone, yet these little purrs were there, and much more audible.

How many vids did you check so far? What are the 9 sounds that you hear? assuming . is high - is low, I'm guessing
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That's only 8... But I remember hearing longer ones with 4 or 5 blips... Do you have a collection of the variants somewhere? Do you have a pointer to this "small purr" you're referring to?

Doh. I'm quite eager. :D
 
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does anyone know if these missions pop up randomly or in a certain pattern? they are clearly connected to the ua.

http://imgur.com/a/xUEwH



if you have screenshots of these missions send me a pm please. i'm going to collect them.

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I think it's more likely to be connected to uncovering Raxxla. Door that isn't a door is exactly that place. Raxxla.

And the crystals there - I bet my iron asp - are the crystals extracted from the SAP 8 containers somehow.

They are also referenced as map details / data. Same crystals are also transported via Trinkets of Hidden fortune.

So... I think the different formats of these missions it's just a way of giving access to all Elite ranks to these crystals. As in trading: SAP 8, combat: trinkets, exploration: well, this mission, with no actual object. I think some of those are available for founders as well.

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It is collecting things like that that makes me wish we had storage somewhere

Doh, can you imagine how happy Ratking would be? hah. Maybe in a later update, when we have crafting and stuff. I think we really should have some kind of storage if there's crafting. But best if we don't take this thread offroad ;)
 
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Thanks for the very clear description of the sounds! I'll look and see if I can find the morse today (for my own amusement more than anything).

Yeah, I was looking at that "pulseing" at 1500 Hz. I thought it might be a "clock" signal against which the purrs could be checked. This clock is very periodic (p=5s), but it is not the same as the "pseudo-periodicity" of the purrs. It's pretty hard to hear the sound but it just sounds like a beeping. I filtered out the other frequencies in case you really wanted to hear it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/flwao83qgqxyr75/1500hz.mp3?dl=0

I suspect it's nothing interesting though!

Well, it's definitely a proof of your skills if nothing else! Amazing work!

Yeah, I can't hear anything significant either - maybe at reduced speeds, I'll take a look.

Fun fact, I just clicked on it and winfos media player comes up with this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUyOcrMMGtc :D

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On a different note (pun intended), there's something interesting here... these "inbetween purrs" we were talking about - at the moment it appears to be something that was dismissed before, but possibly could have a meaning, seeing it's structured (almost) like Morse. I can't tell you the Hz, but I've posted a few links to vids with times where they appear earlier.

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Is this the "morse sounds"?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kie9nr0d0v58l86/morsey.mp3?dl=0

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"It is a unique audio file of 5 seconds, that repeats itself over and over. " <-- yeah, I think this is correct. There is a VERY clear 5s periodicity in the data.

Yep, that's it. Does it say Bast? :) (-... .- ... -)
Edit: yes, it's Bast

Edit2: Ah, don't mix it up with the 5 second thing - Rizal said that for the background noise, the actual Morse can be much much longer depending on the object name it taps out. Take a look at this one: https://youtu.be/W4kR_dU604g?t=37
 
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Thanks for the very clear description of the sounds! I'll look and see if I can find the morse today (for my own amusement more than anything).

Yeah, I was looking at that "pulseing" at 1500 Hz. I thought it might be a "clock" signal against which the purrs could be checked. This clock is very periodic (p=5s), but it is not the same as the "pseudo-periodicity" of the purrs. It's pretty hard to hear the sound but it just sounds like a beeping. I filtered out the other frequencies in case you really wanted to hear it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/flwao83qgqxyr75/1500hz.mp3?dl=0

I suspect it's nothing interesting though!

Thank you for the sample. I have been trying to analyse the sounds myself for few days now. Slowed the sample down significantly. I cannot decipher any patterns. There is however one thing that this sound reminds me of, a neutron star. I know there have been a ton of them checked already but I cannot shake off that feeling.
 
Yep, that's it. Does it say Bast? :)

Yeah - annoyingly it does say bast (I was expecting the morse thing to be an artefact of people hearing what they wanted to hear).

As for the purrs - I saw that they seem to come in bunches of approx 7 values, which could be converted to 7-bit ascii, but this doesn't make anything useful (mostly random symbols).

If this were a "real" alien artefact, I might consider if there were a "trinary" encoding given the triple structure of the thing, but I doubt this is correct given that reasonably sane humans programmed this!
 
Yeah - annoyingly it does say bast (I was expecting the morse thing to be an artefact of people hearing what they wanted to hear).

As for the purrs - I saw that they seem to come in bunches of approx 7 values, which could be converted to 7-bit ascii, but this doesn't make anything useful (mostly random symbols).

If this were a "real" alien artefact, I might consider if there were a "trinary" encoding given the triple structure of the thing, but I doubt this is correct given that reasonably sane humans programmed this!

Hah! Anything's possible! :) But it would cross the "overthinking line" a little bit IMHO.

So... can you separate these "inbetween purrs" out... I'm not sure what you mean by 7 values... do you have examples?

Edit: I've edited the post above with a video of longer morse if you're interested.
 
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Hah! Anything's possible! :) But it would cross the "overthinking line" a little bit IMHO.

So... can you separate these "inbetween purrs" out... I'm not sure what you mean by 7 values... do you have examples?

Edit: I've edited the post above with a video of longer morse if you're interested.

Sorry - I'm obviously not being very clear. I meant that there seems to be 7 purrs between honks (actually there are not quite that many always, but it's hard to tell as the honks seem to go over the top of the last purr). I think others have already explored this quite deeply. Interesting the thing you said about no triple purrs of the same type. This would suggest that if there were information encoded it would be in the "transitions" i.e.

low -> high = 1
high -> low = 0

I think this kind of modulation is common in communication networks, but I'm not an expert at this.

see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_code
for example

Can you clarify what exactly you mean by the "in-between" purrs?
 
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So last night I may have stumbled on a way to ease the pain of searching for strong signal sources. I was doing double duty, scanning for any SSS while reading the forums and started noticing a trend in the way I was flying and what was happening...

Enter supercruise, drop throttle to "zero" (since you can't actually stop in SC). Then just keep your eyes on the navigation panel and you'll not only see SSS's appearing more, but they literally appear directly in front of you at times, ready to drop in from SC. Sometimes within 100km even. I managed to check maybe about 10 - 12 SSS in about 5 minutes compared to the usual 1 or 2 every 10 minutes (rough estimate, lol)

With that being said, even with this little trick, if you even want to call it that....I still have come up with nothing on the UA front. BUT, at least it feels less painful than flying blindly in circles! You can also use that extra time for thinking up more theories and tests when you find a UA, haha. If anyone wants to give it a test and see if it works for them, that would be sweet. I could have just gotten lucky with some good RNG in Bast, but it sure felt like they were appearing a LOT faster than normal.

Probably going to jump back into searching this evening (9pm PST) I'm in Bast right now due to the reports of the EIC guys finding one there, but I'll probably head back up towards Timocani if anyone wants to wing up on the UA group.

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*edit* to clarify my method of doing this
-Enter Supercruise
-Drop Throttle down all the way
-Focus on the navigation panel (I use an EDTracker so I just look left, and click off to my other monitor "locking" my view on the nav panel)
-Browse the web while glancing back to check for any SSS
-Once you spot one, be ready to drop out of SC the second you lock onto it, because it SHOULD be directly in front of you (100-500km)
-Profit? Not profit? Lose your mind some more due to increased SSS and STILL no UA? The choice is YOURS!

Good luck CMDR's!
 
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Sorry - I'm obviously not being very clear. I meant that there seems to be 7 purrs between honks (actually there are not quite that many always, but it's hard to tell as the honks seem to go over the top of the last purr). I think others have already explored this quite deeply. Interesting the thing you said about no triple purrs of the same type. This would suggest that if there were information encoded it would be in the "transitions" i.e.

low -> high = 1
high -> low = 0

I think this kind of modulation is common in communication networks, but I'm not an expert at this.

see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_code
for example

Can you clarify what exactly you mean by the "in-between" purrs?

Brilliant, this is just brilliant! I don't remember seeing Manchester code mentioned before, but you're right - this was bugging me too. Then the 1500 Hz sound could be the clock as you said... hah... I really like the feeling when there's a possibility to move forward :)

Does anyone still have the link to the spreadsheet where all the different codes are collected? There was a big one, compiled from a number of videos - although if you can separate out ALL of the purrs, regardless if they are overlapping with a different sound or not... that's something unique, as some of the data in that sheet is kind of guesswork.

Now, these are the "normal" purrs that I described before, the thing is... 7 is very much the high end. Kudos by the way, because normally we could only hear 5 or 6 as the last few are masked by the howl.
If it's not a big job for you to do the same analysis for a couple more videos, we might be able to discover some pattern - as, weirdly, sometimes there are less purrs.
There are a list of recordings in the wiki here, but there's only 2 we have so far where the number of purrs is (significantly) reduced: Sleipnir and more recently, Delmonte's test. (this latter I linked below for the other type of purrs as well)

Edit: hmmm... considering the fact that they are overlapping with the howls, stands to reason that we consider them as separate data, all purrs together - unless they repeat after a while.

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Now, "in-between purrs" are a yet again different kind of sound, I describe them in the post below:
(this has been discovered and analyzed ages ago, it was just bugging me)

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I CAN hear something morse-like - and I kind of remember hearing it throughout while recording these - for example it is at 3:55 here right after the lights go off. (it's just easy to mark what I mean)

This particular one is just 3 blips. So either "s" (...) or "o" (---). While the next one is at about 4:06, which spells either "g" (--.) or "u" (..-)
Now this sounds like only 1 character at a time = 3-5 blips (if it's morse), and it's different letters as I go through the recording. Mostly I can hear it right before the howl, but it happens at (seemingly) random intervals.

It is very clear on Delmonte's video here at 3 seconds in, (low - high - high) "w"/"d" and for example at 40 seconds (high - low - low), again "w" or "d", but the other one.

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Lo lobey had the same idea, and provided his analysis just a few posts back, here very nice work there.

So, question - is it possible to separate these 2nd type of purrs out - as they are barely audible (for me). I'm not sure yet how far Lo lobey got with these to be honest.

Are we making progress? :D
 
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Now, these are the "normal" purrs that I described before, the thing is... 7 is very much the high end. Kudos by the way, because normally we could only hear 5 or 6 as the last few are masked by the howl.

Yeah, I think I was wrong about 7 - I can't remember why I thought that? Maybe there was room for 7 between each howl? In any case, I agree that there are usually 5-6 audible purrs. This image shows the two different types fairly clearly. I've tried to remove as much interference from the howls as I can, but I think that there are still masked purrs.

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I wonder if the drifting in frequency of the purrs is consistent with doppler motion? If you are moving past an object, the apparent recession velocity changes (even if your actual relative velocity is fixed). I suppose that the ship was slowly drifting past the artefact as the sound was recorded.



edit: The pulses we see are not compatible with Manchester encoding as there are things like HHLLHL which I think cannot occur in a manchester encoding. Possibly this is Delay Encoding:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay_encoding

Where the HHLLHL would translate to 001, i.e. if there is no transition then it is zero a transition in a pair then it is a 1.
 
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does anyone know if these missions pop up randomly or in a certain pattern? they are clearly connected to the ua.

http://imgur.com/a/xUEwH



if you have screenshots of these missions send me a pm please. i'm going to collect them.

CMDR Alkibiades
reddit Alkibiad3s

The pattern I've seen is that the missions are typically given almost exclusively one time only for a given combination of from/to system/station/faction. I did discover duplicate deliveries, but they are like exceptions to the rule :), and I would not be surprised if they exist in all stations in populated space.

Screenshots in the missions referenced at the bottom in the post:https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=168253&p=2567461&viewfull=1#post2567461

About the clearly connected bit...I have yet to discover a tangible connection between the UA and the SAP 8 Core Containers (or for that matter any of the missions mentioned)

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This is probably a stupid question, but The Silent Song of the Spheres mission....

That's the completion screen, we have tried returning to the source of the mission as instructed?

And presumably nothing happens? [Tell Natural Breksta Autocracy]

We did, and no results (for me) so far. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=168253&p=2567461&viewfull=1#post2567461
 
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Finished 'And Here the Wheel'...

My thoughts:

- UAs are not kosher. There is alien stuff there - but they're human made, or human-tampered.

- The clue to listen to them was so that we'd discover the human link. No more than that - that's a big revelation.

- The next logical step is to ask the question: how do they end up on these convoys where the pilots carrying them have been told not to ask questions?

- Someone in-game knows what the UAs are.

Ergo: we need to find a way to uncover who that is, or what it is they know, or why they are trying to ship them to unknown locations.

My gut feeling is it links to both Halsey's assassination and Duval's assassination. Find out who's distributing the UAs, you find out who's responsible for the assassinations.

How much of this is actually doable by us is another matter. Probably not much.
 
Yeah, I think I was wrong about 7 - I can't remember why I thought that? Maybe there was room for 7 between each howl? In any case, I agree that there are usually 5-6 audible purrs. This image shows the two different types fairly clearly. I've tried to remove as much interference from the howls as I can, but I think that there are still masked purrs.

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I wonder if the drifting in frequency of the purrs is consistent with doppler motion? If you are moving past an object, the apparent recession velocity changes (even if your actual relative velocity is fixed). I suppose that the ship was slowly drifting past the artefact as the sound was recorded.



edit: The pulses we see are not compatible with Manchester encoding as there are things like HHLLHL which I think cannot occur in a manchester encoding. Possibly this is Delay Encoding:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay_encoding

Where the HHLLHL would translate to 001, i.e. if there is no transition then it is zero a transition in a pair then it is a 1.

A Cmdr on our G+ group suggested Gray code?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_code

I don't remember seeing that one before. It might not be anything, but I'm throwing it out there for consideration.
 
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