UNKNOWN ARTIFACT: Signal Fomat Decrypted?
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All interesting theories, however I can't help but think we need to focus on the signals and actually figure out if we can get any meaningful information from them before speculating on how we might use it.
We can come up with a million different theories on interpreting what the UAs might be telling us, but it is possible they are just spam bots sending messages about managing the riches of recently deceased thargoid princes.
Assuming there is information to be had, we need to start by find commonalities between the signals that could help us understand how they are structured. Until we can make progress with this we are simply guessing at the data AND guessing at how to use it - you'd be just a likely to find whatever this thing is directing us (assuming that is what is is doing) to by just flying off in a random direction and searching!
We can come up with a million different theories on interpreting what the UAs might be telling us, but it is possible they are just spam bots sending messages about managing the riches of recently deceased thargoid princes.
Assuming there is information to be had, we need to start by find commonalities between the signals that could help us understand how they are structured. Until we can make progress with this we are simply guessing at the data AND guessing at how to use it - you'd be just a likely to find whatever this thing is directing us (assuming that is what is is doing) to by just flying off in a random direction and searching!
Just wanted to drop this in for consideration....
The ONLY universal measurement system that the whole universe works on seems to be Plank measurements. if an alien race WANTED to communicate surely it would use multiples of Plank distance and Plank time. For example light move one Plank unit of distance for one Plank unit of time. Thargoids don't know what a kilometre is or a year is....
The ONLY universal measurement system that the whole universe works on seems to be Plank measurements. if an alien race WANTED to communicate surely it would use multiples of Plank distance and Plank time. For example light move one Plank unit of distance for one Plank unit of time. Thargoids don't know what a kilometre is or a year is....
That is good info!!!!
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Just to give an example of how the pulsars mapped earth location in binary:
Table 1: Pulsar data from the Pioneer/Voyager pulsar map
| psr # | period (binary, H transition units) | period (base 10, H transition units) | period (seconds) | direction angle from galactic center (°) | distance (to galatic center=100) | implied distance (parsecs) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 1000110001111100100011011101010 | 1178486506 | 0.8296830003 | 17 | 27 | 2300 |
| 2 | 10110010011000101011101101111 | 374101871 | 0.2633767643 | 49 | 2 | 160 |
| 3 | 100000110110010110001001111000 | 551117432 | 0.3880000002 | 58 | 56 | 4700 |
| 4 | 111100011011011001010100111 | 126726823 | 0.0892187481 | 95 | 15 | 1300 |
| 5 | 10101011011001101100101000011 | 359455043 | 0.2530650432 | 129 | 1 | 120 |
| 6 | 101100111011010101011110001011 | 753751947 | 0.5306595992 | 162 | 2 | 160 |
| 7 | 10110011100000101010000010 | 47057538 | 0.0331296448 | 174 | 18 | 1500 |
| 8 | 100111101000110101000100111000100 | 5320116676 | 3.7454907997 | 177 | 11 | 980 |
| 9 | 111100011111100011111000010110 | 1014906390 | 0.7145186427 | 145 | 7 | 570 |
| 10 | 101101100101101001000010110001 | 764842161 | 0.5384673780 | 97 | 10 | 850 |
| 11 | 101111001111001110011000001101 | 792520205 | 0.5579533903 | 68 | 3 | 280 |
| 12 | 11110010111110001110100011110 | 509549854 | 0.3587354200 | 52 | 40 | 3400 |
| 13 | 10011001011010111010010111000 | 321746104 | 0.2265170382 | 45 | 1 | 81 |
| 14 | 100000110100101010001110101100 | 550675372 | 0.3876887792 | 16 | 4 | 320 |
@Gorrister
You mean current over at Frontier during a Tea break
Sound Engineer: I just recorded my sons trombone practice, slowed it down, tossed on some wale song and clicks, And then THEY think it's a cryptic alien message.
[laughter and applause all round.]
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@Ziljan
That's what I've been thinking as well - we're not the first, but clearly too busy to do anything in game.
But how many pulsars do you need for accurate triangulation, 3? 5?
And how many "messages" have we found? 1 or 2 ?
There's got to be more out there!
Going off the portal2 arg.
They would GATE the progress by denying the data-miners material, by updating games involved in the the ARG tier by tier.
That's right the arg was tiered.
and even if one tier was "solved" across the multiple games, nothing happened until the developers released the next wave of clues for the next Tier, meaning the developers were in total control of player progress. This meant the community players could stay ontop of the arg, and not get left behind.
We might not see additional parts of OUR puzzle until the power-play update.
You mean current over at Frontier during a Tea break
Sound Engineer: I just recorded my sons trombone practice, slowed it down, tossed on some wale song and clicks, And then THEY think it's a cryptic alien message.
[laughter and applause all round.]
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@Ziljan
That's what I've been thinking as well - we're not the first, but clearly too busy to do anything in game.
But how many pulsars do you need for accurate triangulation, 3? 5?
And how many "messages" have we found? 1 or 2 ?
There's got to be more out there!
Going off the portal2 arg.
They would GATE the progress by denying the data-miners material, by updating games involved in the the ARG tier by tier.
That's right the arg was tiered.
and even if one tier was "solved" across the multiple games, nothing happened until the developers released the next wave of clues for the next Tier, meaning the developers were in total control of player progress. This meant the community players could stay ontop of the arg, and not get left behind.
We might not see additional parts of OUR puzzle until the power-play update.
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What do all of these binary numbers have in common? Both "1" and "0" often appear more than twice in a row, as expected if you convert a lot of arbitrary numbers to binary.
What do all the binary transcripts from the UA have in common? The digits "1" and "0" do never appear more than twice in a row.
Thus, I conclude the UA does not encode binary numbers with its message, in particular not pulsar data in the above format.
I have to agree with this - the fact that we've not seen a single instance of more than 2 concurrent equal bits it very strange. The sample size is quite small however, so I think we need more recordings before we completely rule it out.
I know it's been asked a few times now, but has anyone tried flashing it repeatedly, 'Welcome Wagon' style?
Yep, let me give the background to my thinking process.
I was at SagA* and considering where to go next. I headed galactic west a few hundred ly and came across a system with an XTE prefix... NOT a procedural name!
I checked what XTE means and they are sources found by the X-Ray Timing Explorer. Each of these is a strong, rapidly variable x-ray source and are associated with black holes having accretion discs. Pulsars are not capable of these pulses, and so they're called microquasars. Searching on the map came up with 31 candidate systems which correlate to realworld data. I've mapped out and listed these onto a spreadsheet.
I've visited 3 myself and I'm on my way to a 4th. Cmdr Avaddon has also kindly helped by visiting 2 more and providing system map images for me.
What I want to do is take distance readings to various stars at each XTE system so we can use EDSC (or something similar) to trilaterate their locations precisely.
Last night I posted this to the FGE forum...
Zenith said:
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking along these lines.
Thanks, Zenith. Rep given. I had wondered if I was too hasty in making that suggestion here, and for that I apologise.
I had wondered if I was too hasty in making that suggestion here, and for that I apologise.If it helps at all, I've got these as the XTE systems...
| System | X | Z | Y | Info |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| XTE J1748-288 | -30 | -101 | 25998 | Visited |
| XTE J1752-223 | -1900 | 627 | 16881 | |
| XTE J1755-324 | 512 | -951 | 14961 | |
| XTE J1817-330 | 31 | -1391 | 9902 | Possible with caution |
| XTE J1818-245 | -2584 | -1463 | 19788 | |
| XTE J1856+053 | -13003 | 466 | 16483 | |
| XTE J2012+381 | -11603 | 470 | 3024 | |
| XTE PSR J1810-197 | -2723 | -41 | 14386 | |
| KV Ursae Majoris | -1059 | 5313 | -2578 | Impossible to reach |
| PSR J1709-4429 | 2272 | -367 | 7477 | Visited |
| V381 Normae | 9530 | -542 | 14067 | |
| GHJ2008 3 | 10258 | -1555 | 23840 | |
| GRS 1758-258 | -1257 | -381 | 15946 | |
| GRS 1730-312 | 1216 | 366 | 20961 | Visited |
| GRS 1737-31 | 1178 | -49 | 27975 | Visited |
| GRS 1739-278 | -316 | 553 | 26992 | Visited |
| V1487 Aquilae | -5764 | -31 | 5690 | |
| V1033 Scorpii | 2071 | 342 | 7719 | Visited |
| V1357 Cygni | -7095 | 401 | 2396 | |
| MM Velorum | 12760 | 2111 | 1313 | Impossible to reach |
| QZ Vulpelculae | -7855 | -461 | 3939 | |
| V616 Monocerotis | 1488 | -342 | -2582 | |
| GU Muscae | 14813 | -2032 | 6997 | Seems impossible ? |
| V2107 Ophiuchii | 657 | 4250 | 26655 | Impossible to reach |
| V518 Persei | -1933 | -1672 | -7686 | Impossible to reach |
| V4641 Sagittarii | -3526 | -2505 | 29696 | Visited |
| V404 Cygni | -7458 | -285 | 2263 | |
| V821 Arae | 9675 | -2037 | 25124 | |
| HL Lupis | 12096 | 2363 | 21750 | Impossible to reach |
| Circinus Pulsar | 10852 | -345 | 13081 | Visited |
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Looks like they need to be powered up some more - with a beam laser maybe although they do look like an arachnid-squid type organism so maybe they'll grow legs and start propelling themselves under their own steam so be prepared to flee !
although they do look like an arachnid-squid type organism so maybe they'll grow legs and start propelling themselves under their own steam so be prepared to flee !Has anyone had TWO of these artefacts in their cargo hold yet?
The "Cargo scoop deployed/retracted" might be a hint that this is necessary to get new clues?
The "Cargo scoop deployed/retracted" might be a hint that this is necessary to get new clues?
if we can verify the location of the reference points, we need 3 coordinates minimum. Anything beyond that makes the chance of a misinterpretation less likely. It's also possible that each signal could be a different location. Assuming we aren't chasing our tails with over analysis.
you're assuming that the binary involves large numbers and not smaller segments, eg base ten written in binary. The aliens might have less fingers or toes to count upon.
For example base 6 numbers in binary from 0-5:
0
1
10
11
100
101
Utterly fantastic!!! However we still need the vital stats like mass, class, and rotational period for pulsars so we can get an idea of how to assign signals to particular celestial body coordinates. Otherwise we have to assume that the aliens are somehow responding to intercepted transmissions in our own coordinate system. Which means they know where Sol is.
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Surely, we need more research of data-format. If UA references Pulsar/XTE-object somehow (similar to Voyager), then for each Pulsar/XTE-object it should provides following data:
1). Identifier (Period, mass, e. t. c., but what units used?)
2). Relative pointer to object of destination from that Pulsar/XTE-object (angle, distance, what units again)
So, if UA behaves like Voyager, it should transmits data about units, and pairs of Identifier-Pointer. There have to be separators in data-format for info about units and each Identifier-Pointer pairs.
To complicated to be true, as for me.
1). Identifier (Period, mass, e. t. c., but what units used?)
2). Relative pointer to object of destination from that Pulsar/XTE-object (angle, distance, what units again)
So, if UA behaves like Voyager, it should transmits data about units, and pairs of Identifier-Pointer. There have to be separators in data-format for info about units and each Identifier-Pointer pairs.
To complicated to be true, as for me.