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FY23 Financial Results Presentation
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So according to the report dlcs only made 40% of PZ profit in the last period. Meaning most profit still comes from people purchasing the base game, with DLCs maybe being a diminishing return. There are several scenarios where I can see them stopping production of new DLCs ("support ending"):
- Frontier goes down
- The cost of making new DLCs becomes greater than their profit
- The PZ team is reallocated to a different project
- They run out of animals popular enough to engage a dlc
And looking at the meta-wishlist, if support does continue 1-2 more years (25-50 habitat animals), we may hit a point where the rosters of DLCs become less and less appealing to general audiences.
I agree that 3 is the most likely your analysis doesn't include how much the dlc influence base game sales so that may change the number a bit but based on how frontier is doing financially they will hold out until they release a new project which they will move the planet zoo team to and this will likely be around the time option 2 is happening.
My one:
Birds could absolutely work in the walkthrough exhibit. Even if they don't end up doing the you can't pin that reason on the fact it wouldn't work.
What actually wouldn't work is tamafins/marmosets. It's pretty much made up aviaries, the sloth is an exception because of its slow nature and the only thing I could see that dosent fly or glide is anothe sloth or a slow loris. Tamaeins move way to fast ro make good loops.
Birds could absolutely work in the walkthrough exhibit. Even if they don't end up doing the you can't pin that reason on the fact it wouldn't work.
What actually wouldn't work is tamafins/marmosets. It's pretty much made up aviaries, the sloth is an exception because of its slow nature and the only thing I could see that dosent fly or glide is anothe sloth or a slow loris. Tamaeins move way to fast ro make good loops.
I'm so confused.
The bats work because of their speed, which is why we know birds would also work. They fly fast enough in random patterns that you don't notice the loop. I don't see why this wouldn't be the case with tamarins and marmosets, which, given enough climbing equipment in the exhibit (like the sloth has, plus more) and a big enough group of tamarins, would be moving in random directions pretty quickly most of the time.
On the other hand, only some birds would work if we're using the bats as a baseline, because most aviary birds don't fly around in random circles and patterns all the time, but only move from point to point as needed. Roost > food > enrichment > socialisation > roost (in any order). So what you're more likely to see, if it's done properly, is something like a few macaws in a WTE sitting around doing not much, occasionally flying from Point A to Point B to Point C, which ends up being more of a glide anyway. So the loop would be very noticeable.
Frankly I don't care about the loops anyway, exhibits work for what they are, but it seems odd to say that birds, which wouldn't move as much as the bats unless they only give us tiny species like finches (even lorikeets don't fly around constantly in aviaries, nor do budgies or cockatiels), would work better than tamarins and marmosets, which move a lot, very quickly.
Also, does anyone actually think birds wouldn't work in the WTE? I thought that was a generally accepted fact. They would obviously work in some measure, because the bats and butterflies work. The issue is that a lot of people don't want them to be exhibit animals regardless of how functional it would be (I never really understood the issue myself, AI-driven flight patterns would probably look really stupid as opposed to set loops).
They're not doing birds for a reason, but it's definitely not because they wouldn't work in the WTE.
I don't think 3 is a realistic scenario. Firstly, Frontier has already been making a title (other than F1) every year. 2023 is Warhammer. Basically, there is no change to the proposed plan to release 1 new title every year besides the annual F1.
Second, Frontier has a new team at Complex Games Winnipeg to work on in-house titles since they closed the Foundry. They are also expanding their Canadian branch office.
Thus, they really aren't short on resources based on what they had before. There's no pressing need to reallocate the PZ team.
They added 115 employees in the last financial year if anyone's curious, for a total of 915 employees
Yeah, forgot to specify I meant things like conures, lorikeets, kookaburras, Barn owl, finchs and other small things. Maybe cockatoos and Macaws but preferably we could get 1 or 2 other (we) sizes that fit them better. Def not egales and stuff though.
I don't think it would be super easy but it would be could to get some more aviary shaped non walkthrough, walkthrough exhibits if we were to get birds. They would function like the current ones just different shapes. Sorta like how ppl want different standard exhibit sizes.
Maybe it's just a vocal minority but I've definitkey seen players who say that birds couldn't work and trying to reference something like like eagle. And it's like, yeah obviously Eagles won't work, I'm not talking about Eagles lol.
I could be part to blame for that , for me it isn't the whole birds won't work in the walkthrough exhibit its the fact I hate the walkthrough exhibit with a passion.
Wording the opinion in other words: Planet Zoo is still gonna get DLCs for next year including (at least until winter 2024)
Is this unpopular?
Let me answer with someone else's comment.
Here is basically the popular opinion right now, that this winter's dlc is gonna be the last. (btw the report simply states there is more planned content for this financial year, same as they did in previous reports? That doesn't imply the support will end until the end of said financial year at all
)To anyone thinking this, I'm pretty sure you are aware that if the last DLC is this winter (or spring 24 even) which also means ending support, that would be a huge indicative they plan a sequel (not only that but it would also leave the game roster half-baked because right now it is impossible to even it out with just 1 or 2 future dlcs), this would cause a huge revenue drop for the game next year (why buying the game or the dlcs if we are gonna get a sequel?). Thinking frontier will do this makes no sense, yet people keep saying that we should "realistically" expect something that literally implies this scenario? How is that logical or realistic?
After 4 years Planet Zoo still holds over 80% revenue sustain rate (the game is very much still highly profitable) and Frontier in the report has highlighted it is their current cash cow alongside JWE2, and people out there basically saying they will drop it for a sequel in just 1-2 years? Sorry but that is just a really wack take lol
I mean fair enough. What makes u hate it so avidly lol. I mean I can think of some reasons why.
Weird that you picked my comment as an example, since that isn't what I said. I said it's the only DLC we can realistically rely on.
I have no doubt they have at least thought about or maybe started planning a sequel by now but I do not see it being released until at least the physical year 2026 with an 80% sustain rate they are not ending support for the 1st game anytime soon unless they want to do a hard reboot with a sequel. Main reason I think a sequel is in the future instead of just endlessly updating the game is birds and aquatics which would be difficult to add to the game in its current state and would be able to easily sell a sequel.Wording the opinion in other words: Planet Zoo is still gonna get DLCs for next year including (at least until winter 2024)
Is this unpopular?
Let me answer with someone else's comment.
Here is basically the popular opinion right now, that this winter's dlc is gonna be the last. (btw the report simply states there is more planned content for this financial year, same as they did in previous reports? That doesn't imply the support will end until the end of said financial year at all
To anyone thinking this, I'm pretty sure you are aware that if the last DLC is this winter (or spring 24 even) which also means ending support, that would be a huge indicative they plan a sequel (not only that but it would also leave the game roster half-baked because right now it is impossible to even it out with just 1 or 2 future dlcs), this would cause a huge revenue drop for the game next year (why buying the game or the dlcs if we are gonna get a sequel?). Thinking frontier will do this makes no sense, yet people keep saying that we should "realistically" expect something that literally implies this scenario? How is that logical or realistic?
After 4 years Planet Zoo still holds over 80% revenue sustain rate (the game is very much still highly profitable) and Frontier in the report has highlighted it is their current cash cow alongside JWE2, and people out there basically saying they will drop it for a sequel in just 1-2 years? Sorry but that is just a really wack take lol
Just want to say I hope im wrong and they do a huge update that makes the things that would sell a sequel part of the initial game.
Im sorry but there is no way that the winter dlc will be the last yes they said they will continue to support pdlc for fy24 they say that every year they never tell us that far into the future likely to save themselves should they change their minds. An 80% sustain rate with sales higher than planet coasters total and it being their second best selling assest and best selling own ip means that they are not going to let planet zoo go anytime soon especially with how they talk about it in the financial report presentation and the fact that they just made a tiktok account for it.
There 3 main reasons for me:
- The size - I get frontier modelled the walkthrough exhibit on the bat walkthrough at Chester zoo but it hardly works anywhere else when applied to realistic limitations. I built a realistic sized insect house recently which is rather big and the walkthrough exhibit fills almost the entire interior. Another zoo I built a small bat house to the correct dimensions of a reference and yet the height of the walkthrough exhibit was twice the height of the building, I then had to extend the height of the building which then ruined the aesthetic.
- The Shape - If the size isn't an issue then the shape of the box certainly is. Any option for curved walkthrough experience is basically impossible.
- Its exactly like the exhibit box - Yet again it can't be used on angled terrain, if it can then it has to be elevated to be placed. Then we get the issue of those path kerbs
You quoted a fact, not an opinion. @NZFanatic noted that the only DLC we have actual concrete evidence of currently is the december DLC. Anything beyond that is speculation.
Unpopular opinion:
1. Not so popular but Endangered, Critically endangered and extinct in the wild species that are widely held in zoos and take part in the international breeding programs crucial for the species actual survival should be included in every pack to raise awareness of their existence as well as the importance of the work that zoos are actively doing to protect them.
Species like lion tailed macaques, black crested macaques, lowland anoa, Visayan warty pigs, Père David’s deer, both Tree kangaroos, Golden Lion Tamarin, Geoffroy’s Spider Monkey, Coquerel’s Sifaka and lots of more.
2. Brazilian tapir is distinct enough and very popular in European zoos and should be added to the roster even though we have the Baird’s tapir already.
3. Wild camelids from South America like Guanaco and Vicuña are essential for both:
-good region representation
-typical zoo representation.
Llama since it’s a domestic species is definitely not enough.
4. Super rare species like panda or pangolin should be much harder do obtain, should require more expensive upkeep and be generally highly priced in franchise and challenge mode.
5. Species typical for small European zoos like:
-peccary,
-rhea,
-mara,
-coati,
-guanaco,
-muntjac,
-serval,
-barbary sheep,
-small monkeys,
-ground birds,
should be added to the game as soon as possible because even though we have an amazing roster right now it’s still not possible to create a typical low budget zoos.
6. Arid animal pack is perfect and I wouldn’t trade out even one species out of it. Hamadryas baboon would make it even better but I put trust in the Frontier decisions so it would be probably added later on.
1. Not so popular but Endangered, Critically endangered and extinct in the wild species that are widely held in zoos and take part in the international breeding programs crucial for the species actual survival should be included in every pack to raise awareness of their existence as well as the importance of the work that zoos are actively doing to protect them.
Species like lion tailed macaques, black crested macaques, lowland anoa, Visayan warty pigs, Père David’s deer, both Tree kangaroos, Golden Lion Tamarin, Geoffroy’s Spider Monkey, Coquerel’s Sifaka and lots of more.
2. Brazilian tapir is distinct enough and very popular in European zoos and should be added to the roster even though we have the Baird’s tapir already.
3. Wild camelids from South America like Guanaco and Vicuña are essential for both:
-good region representation
-typical zoo representation.
Llama since it’s a domestic species is definitely not enough.
4. Super rare species like panda or pangolin should be much harder do obtain, should require more expensive upkeep and be generally highly priced in franchise and challenge mode.
5. Species typical for small European zoos like:
-peccary,
-rhea,
-mara,
-coati,
-guanaco,
-muntjac,
-serval,
-barbary sheep,
-small monkeys,
-ground birds,
should be added to the game as soon as possible because even though we have an amazing roster right now it’s still not possible to create a typical low budget zoos.
6. Arid animal pack is perfect and I wouldn’t trade out even one species out of it. Hamadryas baboon would make it even better but I put trust in the Frontier decisions so it would be probably added later on.
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I have another opinion:
i would prefer have no tamarin or marmoset at all, than getting then in WE.
i would prefer have no tamarin or marmoset at all, than getting then in WE.
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I love how yesterday we said no more doom talk and this morning I wake up and I read almost a full page of loaded paragraphs on it 