Unpopular Opinions

[YesIndeed]

There 3 main reasons for me:

• The size - I get frontier modelled the walkthrough exhibit on the bat walkthrough at Chester zoo but it hardly works anywhere else when applied to realistic limitations. I built a realistic sized insect house recently which is rather big and the walkthrough exhibit fills almost the entire interior. Another zoo I built a small bat house to the correct dimensions of a reference and yet the height of the walkthrough exhibit was twice the height of the building, I then had to extend the height of the building which then ruined the aesthetic.
• The Shape - If the size isn't an issue then the shape of the box certainly is. Any option for curved walkthrough experience is basically impossible.
• Its exactly like the exhibit box - Yet again it can't be used on angled terrain, if it can then it has to be elevated to be placed. Then we get the issue of those path kerbs

The one and only time I was happy with the walkthrough exhibit was making the butterfly house at the woodland park zoo. Its size and shape allowed me to place not one but 2 walkthrough exhibits in a large mesh covered greenhouse.

I do think the butterflies are the ones that work best in it. Currently I'm making a greenhouse for them and some Fallow deer by just making it null so that I can make it whatever size I want.

Though that is why early in the thread I did suggest different walkthrougg exhibit sizes would be great just like different standard exhibit types would.

 

[Narwhaler]

Weird that you picked my comment as an example, since that isn't what I said. I said it's the only DLC we can realistically rely on.

potato potato

 

[Orkan]

potato potato

Shallalala!

 

[NZFanatic]

potato potato

More like potato/cucumber. Putting words in other people's mouths is just sad.

 

[Marvinb]

I got one
The 2 birds in the Oceania pack isnt because Frontier finally realized the unproportional focus on mammals, its because it was the easiest way to fill the pack
Because every other possible mammal inclusion would have been way more work than the penguin and kiwi. Treeroo and echidna? Pretty unique and assumeably hard to make. Bilby, numbat, quoll, possums and other small marsupial? Also pretty unique from everything we got, plus alot of these would have required climbing which means extra work. So as much as it pains me to say it, im pretty convinced the penguin an kiwi were just the easiest to make animals, so the 2 birds in a pack will be a one off occasion. Would be happy to be proven wrong tho

 

[RightWhale]

I have another opinion:

i would prefer have no tamarin or marmoset at all, than getting then in WE.

Respectfully, I disagree. I would rather animals be in game than not. I don’t care if the birds “obviously loop” or any other animal in Walkthrough Exhibits. When I like to stay ground level and tour my zoo I want to be able to see the dudes, I don’t care if they loop at all. Or even if they stay still for awhile. Most birds in zoos stay still, and lots of small primates move from point A, to B, to C

 

[CharlieXGaming]

I got one
The 2 birds in the Oceania pack isnt because Frontier finally realized the unproportional focus on mammals, its because it was the easiest way to fill the pack
Because every other possible mammal inclusion would have been way more work than the penguin and kiwi. Treeroo and echidna? Pretty unique and assumeably hard to make. Bilby, numbat, quoll, possums and other small marsupial? Also pretty unique from everything we got, plus alot of these would have required climbing which means extra work. So as much as it pains me to say it, im pretty convinced the penguin a kiwi were just the easiest to make animals, so the 2 birds in a pack will be a one off occasion. Would be happy to be proven wrong tho

Yep agree with this, epspecially cause the penguin doesnt even need any new animations.

 

[RightWhale]

I got one
The 2 birds in the Oceania pack isnt because Frontier finally realized the unproportional focus on mammals, its because it was the easiest way to fill the pack
Because every other possible mammal inclusion would have been way more work than the penguin and kiwi. Treeroo and echidna? Pretty unique and assumeably hard to make. Bilby, numbat, quoll, possums and other small marsupial? Also pretty unique from everything we got, plus alot of these would have required climbing which means extra work. So as much as it pains me to say it, im pretty convinced the penguin an kiwi were just the easiest to make animals, so the 2 birds in a pack will be a one off occasion. Would be happy to be proven wrong tho

I would also be very happy to have you be proven wrong. Not to be too negative, but I know Frontier knows about the overall opinion on birds. If I could get a wish granted I want to know what they are thinking/ saying over there. Frontier has great community outreach compared to other companies, but talking about birds, exhibit or otherwise, they have been radio silent. I’m curious what is going

 

[Marvinb]

Oh and to clarify, im not saying the penguin and kiwi were bad inclusions or lazily made in any way, because they are certainly not.

 

[Firestar97]

On the other hand, only some birds would work if we're using the bats as a baseline, because most aviary birds don't fly around in random circles and patterns all the time, but only move from point to point as needed. Roost > food > enrichment > socialisation > roost (in any order).

Cockatiels would work. Especially my male is sometimes flying a few Rounds through the Room, just for Exercise. But often also walking and just resting (mainly on my Head lol).
They could also come with lots of awesome Color Morphs. They would also climb around a lot, which is pretty fun to watch. There's also a social Interaction which I really like where the male is sharing Food with his Mate, which you can even hear. It's pretty similar to how Parents feed their Chicks. What could also be done, would be males inspecting potential Nesting Places (hollow Trees, Nesting Boxes). As Enrichment they could get small Bells. They love those. Also Stuff that they can tear apart like Paperbark Eucalyptus or empty Toilet Paper Rolls. They also enjoy chewing off the Bark from normal Branches. A Behavior that I also just got remembered of again, is the Beak grinding while they are falling asleep, which would definitely be adorable to see in the Game, especially if multiple of them sit in close Proximity to each other.
I wonder if it's the same with the closely related Galah (which can even hybridize with the Cockatiel)

So what you're more likely to see, if it's done properly, is something like a few macaws in a WTE sitting around doing not much, occasionally flying from Point A to Point B to Point C, which ends up being more of a glide anyway. So the loop would be very noticeable.

With Macaws you could also get some pretty cool Animations like climbing and picking up Nuts from a Food Bowl with their Foot and then cracking it with the Beak. Especially Parrots don't need to be limited to boring Animations while they are not flying

Main reason I think a sequel is in the future instead of just endlessly updating the game is birds and aquatics which would be difficult to add to the game in its current state and would be able to easily sell a sequel.

A Thing I just thought about that would give the Sequel more Appeal would be a Exhibit Editor, more Animations for at least some of the Exhibit Animals (Example: Iguana walking, climbing, eating)

ground birds

Really want the Victoria Crowned Pigeon for Tropical Houses and Aviaries

 

[Utahraptor Arcanus]

When I like to stay ground level and tour my zoo I want to be able to see the dudes, I don’t care if they loop at all.

I will legit never get this argument.

Stuff like the golden lion tamarin are as big as merkaat and bright orange so it's almost impossible to not see then in a habitat.

There's also the fact that if a animal is a WE, this means that it's trapped in small box with little to no criativity around, you can't make a mixed habitat with tapirs for example (or can but they will just sit in a corner of the habitat and feels dislocated there) you cannot put structures there without making it looks really ugly.

I really what to understand the logic behind why people think they should be WE animals when they could work perfectly as habitat animals.

 

[DarthQuell]

I will legit never get this argument.

Stuff like the golden lion tamarin are as big as merkaat and bright orange so it's almost impossible to not see then in a habitat.

There's also the fact that if a animal is a WE, this means that it's trapped in small box with little to no criativity around, you can't make a mixed habitat with tapirs for example (or can but they will just sit in a corner of the habitat and feels dislocated there) you cannot put structures there without making it looks really ugly.

I really what to understand the logic behind why people think they should be WE animals when they could work perfectly as habitat animals.

Their high energetic behavior and the constant climbing. Climbing is a bit wonky, and if you have a hyperactive animal climbing, it may look weird. So, it's likely better if tamarins and marmosets are in WEs to counteract this.

That's my opinion. I dunno about others

 

[CharlieXGaming]

It would be cool if you could add the tamarins with the sloth, wouldn’t take much change to the current sloth exhibit.

 

[Narwhaler]

More like potato/cucumber. Putting words in other people's mouths is just sad.

In both statements the point is basically the same: that you don't expect more dlcs after winter, either because you assume winter is the last, or because you consider any possible dlc after it to not be something you can rely on... Either way I didn't mean to offend, sorry.

 

[nutrit]

Cockatiels would work. Especially my male is sometimes flying a few Rounds through the Room, just for Exercise. But often also walking and just resting (mainly on my Head lol).
They could also come with lots of awesome Color Morphs. They would also climb around a lot, which is pretty fun to watch. There's also a social Interaction which I really like where the male is sharing Food with his Mate, which you can even hear. It's pretty similar to how Parents feed their Chicks. What could also be done, would be males inspecting potential Nesting Places (hollow Trees, Nesting Boxes). As Enrichment they could get small Bells. They love those. Also Stuff that they can tear apart like Paperbark Eucalyptus or empty Toilet Paper Rolls. They also enjoy chewing off the Bark from normal Branches. A Behavior that I also just got remembered of again, is the Beak grinding while they are falling asleep, which would definitely be adorable to see in the Game, especially if multiple of them sit in close Proximity to each other.
I wonder if it's the same with the closely related Galah (which can even hybridize with the Cockatiel)


With Macaws you could also get some pretty cool Animations like climbing and picking up Nuts from a Food Bowl with their Foot and then cracking it with the Beak. Especially Parrots don't need to be limited to boring Animations while they are not flying


A Thing I just thought about that would give the Sequel more Appeal would be a Exhibit Editor, more Animations for at least some of the Exhibit Animals (Example: Iguana walking, climbing, eating)


Really want the Victoria Crowned Pigeon for Tropical Houses and Aviaries

We can easily name at least 20 ground birds that would work perfectly fine with the current game mechanics.

VCP would also be one of my favorites in that matter and I would also love to put it my Tropical Houses among with Great argus.

But what I miss the most is pelican, crowned crane, ground hornbill, Guineafowl and saddle billed stork to enrich savanna sections of my zoos as it’s also made in Bioparc Valencia.

 

[Firestar97]

We can easily name at least 20 ground birds that would work perfectly fine with the current game mechanics.

VCP would also be one of my favorites in that matter and I would also love to put it my aviaries among with Great argus.
But what I miss the most is pelican, crowned crane, ground hornbill and saddle billed stork to enrich savanna sections of my zoos as it’s also made in Bioparc Valencia.

Yes, so many Ground Birds that they could add and lots of them that I really want to have

 

[RightWhale]

I will legit never get this argument.

Stuff like the golden lion tamarin are as big as merkaat and bright orange so it's almost impossible to not see then in a habitat.

There's also the fact that if a animal is a WE, this means that it's trapped in small box with little to no criativity around, you can't make a mixed habitat with tapirs for example (or can but they will just sit in a corner of the habitat and feels dislocated there) you cannot put structures there without making it looks really ugly.

I really what to understand the logic behind why people think they should be WE animals when they could work perfectly as habitat animals.

Oh don’t get me wrong, I would rather tamarins be habitat animals. Even if climbing is wonky I would prefer building for them. But for me it comes down to if an animal is in game or not, I like how exhibits let smaller animals get representation in Planet Zoo, which is not something many zoo games do. If Frontier will only do tamarins or flying birds be in WTE, then I’m fine with it as I would rather them be present than not. While creativity is definitely limited, you can still do some cool things regarding customization.

 

[NZFanatic]

Stuff like the golden lion tamarin are as big as merkaat

They are a lot smaller than meerkats.

 

[NZFanatic]

In both statements the point is basically the same: that you don't expect more dlcs after winter, either because you assume winter is the last, or because you consider any possible dlc after it to not be something you can rely on... Either way I didn't mean to offend, sorry.

That is not correct at all.

By rely upon I mean that the Winter DLC is the only one that is almost guaranteed (Content 16 in the ovldata). Anything after that is entirely up in the air. Next highest chance is obviously Spring, since it still falls within FY24. Beyond that is a total guessing game. I never said support was definitely going to end early next year, just that there's a good chance it might. I get that nobody is willing to accept that reality but it is still reality.

The chance that it won't lies in the release schedule of whatever Planet game they're putting out in 2025. Assuming the release date for the mystery game is November 2025, and that PZ follows in the footsteps of Coaster, we could get DLC at least until the end of FY25 (Spring 2024) and maybe one more beyond that (Summer 2024, based on the fact that Coaster's last DLC was in June 2019 before PZ released in November).

 

[SalamAnders]

They are a lot smaller than meerkats.

Meerkat:
10 to 14 inches (25 to 35 centimeters) long and their tails are almost as long as their bodies at 7 to 10 inches (18 to 25 centimeters)

Golden Lion Tamarin
6 to 10 inches (15 to 25 centimeters) in length with a tail of about 12 to 15 inches (32 to 40 centimeters).

Wouldn't call it a lot