Update 14 and Beyond: Live and Legacy Modes

You do realise that Odyssey is written on codebase 4.0 right? Right?

Odyssey players will have access to:

Live Odyssey 4.0
Live Horizons 4.0
Legacy Horizons 3.8

= everything

You need to do both, click on the link and read it.

The question is: Will Odyssey CodeBase have legacy mode? i.e. will there be an E.D.O 4.0 Legacy mode? The answer is no. At least not for now.
English is not my mother language sorry if I can't make it any more clear.
 
We weren't even talking about Odyssey. 🤷‍♂️
Well I was talking about it, when I mentioned needing €2,000 for a PC that will and is even allowed to run Odyssey, "Live" mode and 4.0 well, as "3.8" runs on lower power PCs, which you don't need if you're a console player!

Of course none of it would be necessary to run Odyssey, "live" mode and 4.0 at all if they'd properly optimised it for everybody and release it on "next gen" consoles!

In that case, there'd be no need for "legacy" mode at all! 😯😂😀🤘
 
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Which is ironic as Sandy took a lot of flack at the time.

Reading it back, I suppose the post you quoted could be interpreted as meaning that the last good decision FDev made about ED was to replace Sandro. 😜

Honestly, I feel like Sandro was the last senior dev' who really cared about ED.
He had a lot of good ideas but he didn't seem to have the ability (for whatever reason) to get stuff done.
Since then, it's just been a conveyor-belt of corporate drones failing upwards, making the appropriate noises, and each doing their bit to erode ED's potential until they get replaced.
 

HeatherG

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So, FDev, how much do you really hate us?
I've Started checking Twitch every Thursday for a scheduled Live Stream so that I can try and get some of the Drops that I've been trying to get for the last 18 months, I checked last Thursday, and the schedule was blank. I checked today and found that you did an un-scheduled 'Frameshift Live' last Thursday 2 hours after I checked.

Seriously, can't you manage to put something on the schedule so we know when to Watch?
It's every other Thursday at 4pm BST on both the Frontier Developments channel and the Elite Dangerous channel
 
So, FDev, how much do you really hate us?
I've Started checking Twitch every Thursday for a scheduled Live Stream so that I can try and get some of the Drops that I've been trying to get for the last 18 months, I checked last Thursday, and the schedule was blank. I checked today and found that you did an un-scheduled 'Frameshift Live' last Thursday 2 hours after I checked.

Seriously, can't you manage to put something on the schedule so we know when to Watch?

If you streamed more often, it wouldn't be so bad, but the Monthly Viewing for the Drops campaign, that you have closed again, even though the month isn't over (which is your excuse for not letting it run permanently because Twitch only allow Monthly campaigns and reset at the end of the Month), requires 120 minutes of Live viewing. Last week, you only actually streamed 80 Minutes, and the only other time you streamed this month was 119 Minutes.

That's a pretty cynical hatred of your customers you've got going there. Do you not realise that UK customers are at work when you usually stream (you know, because it's your own Timezone and you're at work too) and your US customers are just grabbing their breakfast, or often, still asleep. These are your two largest customer bases and you make it almost impossible for them to participate unless they don't have Jobs.

It seems the only customers that you accomodate with your timings are the ones that you should probably be blocking access for like every other tech company has.

You do know that there is a post every Monday giving notice of all of Frontiers streams for the week? (Obviously not.) Surprisingly it is made in a sub-forum called:




Last week's post contained:


THURSDAY 17/11/2022 16:00PM GMT
Elite Dangerous – Frameshift Live Episode 21

Join the Elite Dangerous community managers for Frameshift Live #21 this week, where they'll be sharing a little insight into Update 14, as well as all of the usual topical news favourites!


So not exactly unscheduled was it? Maybe you need to check in the right place and then you would have had 2 hours to wait for the stream to start. :rolleyes:


P.S. None of the drops requires 2 hours do they? The longest I remember was 90 minutes. The Frontier-livestream drops just required 15 minutes. The campaign drops can be earned by watching certain other streamers (all about to change) so the timezone argument is not even remotely valid.
 
Reading it back, I suppose the post you quoted could be interpreted as meaning that the last good decision FDev made about ED was to replace Sandro. 😜

Honestly, I feel like Sandro was the last senior dev' who really cared about ED.
He had a lot of good ideas but he didn't seem to have the ability (for whatever reason) to get stuff done.
Since then, it's just been a conveyor-belt of corporate drones failing upwards, making the appropriate noises, and each doing their bit to erode ED's potential until they get replaced.
Sandro engaged in a way that is probably unlikely to be allowed again.

And there was the loach :)
 
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Well I was talking about it, when I mentioned needing €2,000 for a PC that will and is even allowed to run Odyssey, "Live" mode and 4.0 well, as "3.8" runs on lower power PCs, which you don't need if you're a console player!

Of course none of it would be necessary to run Odyssey, "live" mode and 4.0 at all if they'd properly optimised it for everybody and release it on "next gen" consoles!

In that case, there'd be no need for "legacy" mode at all! 😯😂😀🤘
So what's wrong with Horizons 4.0? You don't need a €2000 PC for that. That was the whole point and I am surprised you managed to ignore it.
 
I agree. Sandro engaged in a way that is probably unlikely to be allowed again.

And there was the loach :)
Probably more like Sandro engaged, enjoyed his time on Elite, decided after a few years (and much histrionics from some players) it was time for something new, and ... nothing more than that.

Allowed? There are fdev employees happily engaging casually in ED streams etc. But really, who in fdev wants to put themselves in front of ... this?
 
So what's wrong with Horizons 4.0? You don't need a €2000 PC for that. That was the whole point and I am surprised you managed to ignore it.
Surely it's the same and requires the same hardware as Odyssey when they're supposed to be the same codebase!

If people are having trouble running Odyssey properly, surely they're having trouble running Horizons 4.0 properly without super computer level hardware?!

(Which of course could be fixed by optimisation but hasn't yet been!) 😯😂
 
Horizons 4.0 limited there's a lot that you can't do "3.8 " is a dead end it's fun to play but will die with out content so baring an update train crash I will try Odyssey I am not into first person shooters but at lest I will have places to see
 
Surely it's the same and requires the same hardware as Odyssey when they're supposed to be the same codebase!

If people are having trouble running Odyssey properly, surely they're having trouble running Horizons 4.0 properly without super computer level hardware?!

(Which of course could be fixed by optimisation but hasn't yet been!) 😯😂

4.0 is slower than 3.8, full stop.

However, 4.0 is slowest in content that doesn't exist on 3.8. If you don't have to deal with Odyssey surface settlements or station concourses, it's much easier to overlook the performance issues.
 
I gotta say, I'm starting to think FDev hasn't made a good decision about the future of ED since they replaced Sandro.

Why? ED didnt ended when Sandro left 4 years ago.
In December ED is getting in it's 9th year of operation.
It's still the most played Frontier Game.
It has quite a loyal fan base.

For an online game that requires no subscription and no microtransactions (it's actually offering free arx for playing the game), i'd say it does really good.
 
I have a question regarding account usage. At the moment, if I log in to Odyssey on one PC and then log in to Horizons 3.8 on another PC - using the same account credentials, one of them is logged out with a message saying the account is unavailable.

Indeed, since currently there is a single commander profile - so you cannot be logged with the same commander at the same time in both Odyssey and 3.8

After update 14, will it be possible to log in as described and run the two sessions side-by-side? I'm currently in the middle of a long expedition using my carrier to support both Horizons and Odyssey players. I cannot leave one or other carrier behind and will need to jump both 3.8 and 4.0 carriers over long distances. The ability to run two sessions would make this task a lot easier.

After Update 14 the game will be split in 2 diverging games, with 2 different commander profiles, each tracked independently.
So you will be able to log in the same commander, at the same time, in both Odyssey and 3.8 - because it would be like playing 2 different games.

To support your expedition on both 3.8 and Odyssey, you'd basically have to play the game twice and do the exact same actions in 3.8 and then in Odyssey.
So you log in 3.8, jump your carrier to the next destination, then fill the tank to whatever local exploration, sell the data.
THen you have to do the very same things in Odyssey (since they'll be completely separated) - you need to jump your Odyssey carrier , refill its tank, do exploration, sell data, etc.
 
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