Or put another way: Frontier is holding the Odyssey player base hostage
You don’t get atmospheric planets. You get “thin atmospheres” aka a pretty shader without any effect on the flight model.
It would probably cost nothing. Because chances are very high that if your PC can run Horizons 3.8 it can also run Horizons 4.0. Maybe at -10% performance but that's no issue as long as you aren't already struggling with 3.8 which would suggest that you need a new PC anyway.Well the point is and as I alluded to in my last post, IF it doesn't cost €2,000 to buy (and I say buy explicitly as most people won't as said have the knowledge or skill or take the risk to build their own PC, particularly if they're coming straight from consoles), a pre built PC that can run Odyssey, Horizons 4.0 etc well - how much would one cost, in your opinion?!
"only" €1,500?!
To me it appears like you have 0 knowledge about the actual situation and just repeat some random stuff that you misunderstood.
I won't clog up this thread with this issue which I will have to address in the near future. In the meantime you can colour me stupid for not having XMP enabled in the bios for some reason so my 3200 ram was running at 2133. Correcting that did give a bit of an improvement in concourses but not a lot (but a lot elsewhere). Still, if I turn on v-sync I can live with the occasional dip into the 50's on concourses.
Yes, but that's not incompatible with there also being a great many who have performance they find acceptable in 3.8 where Horizons 4.0 is unplayable in the same content.
The performance differential between 3.8 and 4.0 is still much larger than 10%.
Exactly, because player groups will still play together - so who will have to relog continuously? Ody players. So who will be annoyed most because of this situation? PPL who have already paid for Ody. Brilliant move, good luck with the sell of next DLC.Or put another way: Frontier is holding the Odyssey player base hostage
What data is being copied and what data isn’t for the console transfer?
IIRC only carrier and nickname
Pfff
In hzn I had 60fps on high.
In ody 15-20 on low. So I changed GPU.
"10% performance decrease" XD
Ah okay, so only carrier and nickname isn’t being copied?
They could do this by keeping only the launcher in the base package and adding the clients via DLC packages, so you can simply unselect the client you don't want.
Separate apps would lead to multiple installed launchers. Not good.
Well if they want to play on 10 years old computers I have not much sympathy for them. But most people I've seen complaining about Horizons 4.0 are getting 80 instead of 120 FPS for example and I consider that very much playable. At least if we are talking about the necessity to spend €2000, which (again) is complete nonsense.
You have to manually acquire DLCs from the Steam store though, even if they're free, so a newbie or existing player out of the loop buying the game could get confused as to why there's no game as they didn't select one of the DLCs.
The launcher isn't exactly huge though, and it'd probably require having to log in to each launcher, unless Frontier "fixes" it to use the same config location (at the cost of people who use that trick for their alt accounts.)
I was wondering what the Meta store will do as for the oculus quest 2 they sell Elite Dangerous on the VR Meta store page.
Only 3.8 is listed as supporting VR.
But 3.8 now is Legacy so no updates.
I have the latest Xbox X console and a PS 5 which are far superior to a lot of the “Master Race“ rigs though probably explains why you have left as legacy as I can’t imagine you wanting to further alienate your increasingly niche targeted audience.
Even the now the deemed legacy still has bugs a many on instancing with my favourite being good old Project Scarlet .
I do hope Bruce your taking note of the sheer display of incompetence shown by FDev. I can happily provide guides on programming for beginners
Even the now the deemed legacy still has bugs a many on instancing with my favourite being good old Project Scarlet .
I do hope Bruce your taking note of the sheer display of incompetence shown by FDev. I can happily provide guides on programming for beginners
I don't really think the BGS can be separated from influence effects and expect the BGS to function normally in legacy, though with little to no direct developer intervention.
If a 10 year old system, or a system that was mid-range when ED launched, is sufficient for what someone has been doing all this time, a major overhaul or outright replacement, just to make 4.0 playable, is a big ask for a lot of people.
The performance differential between clients is vaguely proportional (though 4.0 reacts much more poorly to low levels of VRAM or lower-end CPUs) and there is enough of a gap for there to be a wide range of systems that are fine for 3.8, but not fine for 4.0, no matter what arbitrary performance figure one targets. Someone averaging 45+ fps in 3.8 may well be content with that, but not with the sub-30 they get in 4.0. There is an even wider spectrum of hardware where 4.0 will be a net graphical downgrade due to the lower settings required.
I agree that 2000 Euro is hyperbolic or ignorant, but the specific figure is less important than the fact that it would take a significant outlay for an significant minority of people to get a pleasant experience in Horizons 4.0.
Sure if someone knows what they're doing and they shop wisely, they can probably build a PC that can play Odyssey well for €1000-1500...
However as said, most people don't have the knowledge, skill or more importantly trust in themselves to build a PC themselves, so will buy pre built PCs where value and performance are much harder to find...
I was just wandering through a shop of one of our bigger and generally pretty good value chains, Harvey Norman, and I just skimmed the small range of decktop computers they had (though their computer section, like most others is dominated by tablets and laptops), of the "gaming" PCs they had, I wasn't too impressed.
They had a system with 8gb of ram and a i5 processor for €1200, two PCs then with 16gb of ram one with an i5 and one with an i7 were €1500 and €1800, while there were no i9s in sight!
So I'm pretty confident that to find a "real" gaming PC to play a game as demanding as Horizons 4.0/Odyssey well would cost easily €2,000 in today's market - like I said recently Gamer's Nexus expressed how shocked they were that pretty average graphics cards were being sold for twice what they were a year before, if you can even buy them separately, they often only seem to be available in certain pre built systems (which don't always suit them, throttling for heat and power reasons etc)
Edit - actually I just checked and that one for €1800 is still only an i5, so how much do they charge for an i7?!
As said, surely over €2000!!
They have some version of the Microsoft Surface for nearly €3000!
So again, to run "live" well, won't be cheap!
Last edited:
Major free updates that are suited to run on someone's specific (old) computer 8 after release also is a big ask*.
In the meantime people can continue to play the version they paid for (3.8). At least until FDEV removes that option.
*I am curious if people also expect the next gen update for The Witcher 3 to run on their old computers...
Pretty much; Carrier, Cmdr name, Arx, squadron/friends/blocklist are the things that don't transfer.