Update 15, the Upcoming Feature Rework and More

Basic Public Relations 101
1 - NEVER talk about something you aren't prepared to elaborate on.
2 - NEVER promise something you don't already know you can deliver.
3 - NEVER ... EVER... EVER... publish an "update" that provides/creates more questions than answers.
The sad part is, the most successful game developers break all 3 rules repeatedly. Gamers just keep supporting them regardless....
 
How in the world could they not know that the Thargoid war thing was going to require time and effort ... to blame the delay of whatever this feature rework, which they haven't even started yet based on the statement, on the current event .. it's just pathetic really. I don't have the game installed anymore and was lurking to see what the update was going to be. There doesn't appear to be an update, I would be surprised if what they "teased" actually ever arrives based on that post. Disappointing but no longer surprising.
 
The sad part is, the most successful game developers break all 3 rules repeatedly. Gamers just keep supporting them regardless....
that's what been supporting nintendo to release a worse pokemon game after another for years now, sales. nostalgia will make people purchase it, even tho the game itself is either half baked, missing features or straight up broken at release.

people don't care if is the same old gameplay or bad graphics, mix things up a little and they will be excited with little to no effort whatsoever.

you see how frontier made people happy by simply adding a cutscene, a new powerplay BGS, the same old AX combat and some weekly community goals and calling a MAJOR STEP FORWARD?

yet frontier manages to disappoint both spectrums at once sometimes, at different levels of course but still, outstanding move
 
So, on the 31st of May this will be like:

"Greetings suckers. We have decided to postpone Update 15, because it gives us better opportunity to integrate it with the feature upgrade in 2024. This will also further delay console transfer, which will be obligatory this week now that legacy has become obsolete. Stay tuned for nothing."

Roger and out :alien:
 
Update 15 pushed out til May. No new ships on the horizon. Rework of key feature still uncertain and pushed out til the end of the year(?)

I am not sure how to feel right now.

And no VR mode for Oddysey.

Wish we could've been at least teased with which feature the rework is. The community still remains in the dark, except for finally knowing that this part of the last year's roadmap wasn't even started.

Yeah they should show at least a teaser to keep people interested.
 
So, on the 31st of May this will be like:

"Greetings suckers. We have decided to postpone Update 15, because it gives us better opportunity to integrate it with the feature upgrade in 2024. This will also further delay console transfer, which will be obligatory this week now that legacy has become obsolete. Stay tuned for nothing."

Roger and out :alien:
you forgot the "we trust you are so excited about everything, we are also EXCITED ABOUT NOT TELLING YOU!!"
 
I hope they rework the storage too. Why can't my cargo stay in the cargo hold of my Anaconda while I switch to my Sidewinder, or why can't I use tritium directly from the fleet carrier's storage?
Piracy needs some love too.
 
Wow. I was all set to object but upon running a search, you're right! Out of over 20k populated, non-permit systems in the bubble, it looks like there's less than 300 left that would be eligible to place a new PMF (my search criteria being: no current PMF, six or fewer current factions, populated, no permit lock). I would guess the vast majority of those are in expansion range of an actively expanding PMF too. So, yeah, bubble's basically full.

Maybe culling the many zombie PMFs would be a better option than stopping new applications.
Or culling those that were very clearly created in contravention of the pre-requisites (e.g. minimum squadron size of 10, out of lore faction names ).
 
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Wow. I was all set to object but upon running a search, you're right! Out of over 20k populated, non-permit systems in the bubble, it looks like there's less than 300 left that would be eligible to place a new PMF (my search criteria being: no current PMF, six or fewer current factions, populated, no permit lock). I would guess the vast majority of those are in expansion range of an actively expanding PMF too. So, yeah, bubble's basically full.
Seven or fewer current factions has been the (undocumented) rule for several years now, so there's about 2000 left. But mostly not in places you'd want to start a faction. This was going to happen in a year or so regardless; the only surprise is that they're aware of the need to replace it with something else.
There are a lot of orphaned / abandoned PMFs that could (and arguably should, especially those with annoying names) be removed from the game, which would free up room.
It wouldn't free up very much, though.
1) It's really hard to tell if a PMF is abandoned or just not being supported very successfully / being beaten up by a bigger one right now. Any PMF in an even semi-busy system is going to get transactions supporting it every so often (especially if a bigger alive PMF strategically proxies it to stop new PMFs being added nearby)
2) Even if they go super-hardline and say that any PMF which doesn't control any systems is "abandoned" (which will get a whole bunch of false positives with accompanying complaint threads) it only frees up about 500 systems for new ones, because most of the space is being taken up by the 50+ system mega-factions, and that includes most of the systems with dead PMFs in.

Lads, you need to stop with the vague smoke and mirrors stuff. We as a playerbase fully accept that things happen, dates shift and all that.
The problem is that we don't collectively accept that. This thread alone has plenty of evidence for that. There's huge numbers of complaints about the delays to the "major feature rework" - which could be anything and if they'd said instead that U14 would contain it we'd all have believed the Thargoid War was it [1] ... whereas if they'd just left that off the 2022 roadmap post entirely, they wouldn't have needed to mention it now and take all those complaints.

Fundamentally Frontier are incapable of making accurate statements about content or timescale of anything they do with Elite Dangerous more than 6 months ahead at best. A succession of update posts like this one saying "yet again, our plans twelve months ago haven't worked out as expected; here's our new inaccurate plan for the next twelve" isn't going to help anyone.

Now sure, they could improve their project management to the point where they can accurately predict a 12-month window (getting to 6 months is fairly new for them) ... but until then, it's probably better if they just don't mention it at all until after it's released.

[1] Points for honesty for not pretending that whatever they do change in U15 was it and saying that there'd be a second major feature rework in 2024, I guess? It was a vague enough initial statement that they could have done.

And there's 'Frankly we're not honestly sure that we're going to bother with it at all now but we don't want to say that because all hell will break loose, so we're kicking the can down the road for another nine months.' I mean this has got to be a record even by E D standards - it will be over 18 months between saying there's going to be an update to something and even telling us what the something is :ROFLMAO:
It was over two years between them announcing that work had started on Odyssey and them telling us its name, never mind any of its intended features, so this just seems about normal for them.
 
Nearly every inhabited system has a PMF presence in it now, so perhaps they just ran out of room.
Not so sure about that but that might be a possibility. I'm guessing it's more to do with:

Our focus is now turning to investigate how upcoming systems will allow every player and player group to have a meaningful impact on the galaxy’s landscape.​
Which is an interesting thing to consider what form that will be..
 
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