Wait, wait, wait! So even when you`ve bought everything you still have to buy the Beta?

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It`s like paying for a 3 course meal. After a little while the Chef comes along and says "I have a dessert on the way, the most delicious ever."

I'd say it's more like paying for 3 course meal, getting to eat it and then being offered a tour of the kitchen for an extra £5.
 
Less sense to you I'm afraid since you can't work out the easy sentence i just wrote. They can't go to FD as an early backer and demand their money back, obviosuly! What was hard about that!?

How should I understand this nonsense when I am not as obsessed as you are? Why should anyone expect to get his money back?! Are people really that stupid in your opinion?
 

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It would be wrong if beta access were mandatory.
It would be wrong if beta access was required to gain the right to buy the full 2.3

Neither of these is true.

If you want early access to fun new stuff, you pay for it. If you don't then you wait patiently like the rest of us.

Yes if it was mandatory it would be wrong. What his and mine and others point here is that you paid for the season already and now you're paying on top of that to play it on release day. FD are then making everyone else wait to play it that paid for it. Some people have issues with that.
 
Yes if it was mandatory it would be wrong. What his and mine and others point here is that you paid for the season already and now you're paying on top of that to play it on release day. FD are then making everyone else wait to play it that paid for it. Some people have issues with that.

2.3 hasn't been released yet, so no, you're not paying to play it on release day. You'll play it on release day for free. Because it'll be, you know, released.
 
No, no no. It`s completely fine. What`s wrong with charging people for something they`ve already put lots of money into? What`s wrong with charging them for testing a Beta of what they`re going to get anyway?

oh wait... It`s completely wrong.

It`s like paying for a 3 course meal. After a little while the Chef comes along and says, "I have a dessert on the way, the most delicious ever."

"Ah, yes, " you say, "The Epic Ice cream Cake I have ordered?"

"You can have a taste of it now just to see if it suits your tastes!"

"Excellent! Bring it in!"

"That`ll be £5 extra please."

"But I`ve already paid for it."

"Yes, but this is a test tasting before you get the real thing so I`m charging for it!"





Lesson learned.

My God man, quit with the food.

Its nothing like that at all, and even if it were you could simply say "My good man, you insult me with your offer, be gone with you. I will await my Ice cream". You are suggesting that you are paying for something twice, which you aren't. Your hypothetical chef isn't feeding you a scoop now, charging you for it and then removing said scoop from the final product and charging you again.

If you want to go down the food route (and I wish you wouldn't) its more akin to going wine tasting where you pay up front to taste it and get a couple of bottles chucked in to take home at the end OR you just go and buy the wine (cheaper) without tasting it and go and get drunk.
 
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Jex =TE=

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How should I understand this nonsense when I am not as obsessed as you are? Why should anyone expect to get his money back?! Are people really that stupid in your opinion?

I can't argue with you. You don't understand the basic concept of the conversation and you're confusing my answers to questions thrown at me as an obsession. If you ask me a question, I'm going to answer it, obviously LOL!

Holf frikkin cow - what conversations do you have where you ask questions and then expect NO answers? Or is that everyone's goal here - to just throw out random crap at me and not want an answer? Does everyone here just want to have their say and be right? Sorry, it don't work that way. It's called a conversation - try having a real one sometime.

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And you should stop trolling.

I'm not the one here trolling nor am I the one finger pointing in an effort to back-pedal out of a conversation I don't understand.

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Aren't you supposed to be coding an Elite beater like you claimed you could?

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Sorry, what was that?
 
I can't argue with you. You don't understand the basic concept of the conversation and you're confusing my answers to questions thrown at me as an obsession. If you ask me a question, I'm going to answer it, obviously LOL!

Holf frikkin cow - what conversations do you have where you ask questions and then expect NO answers? Or is that everyone's goal here - to just throw out random crap at me and not want an answer? Does everyone here just want to have their say and be right? Sorry, it don't work that way. It's called a conversation - try having a real one sometime.

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I'm not the one here trolling nor am I the one finger pointing in an effort to back-pedal out of a conversation I don't understand.

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Sorry, what was that?

You are the only one throwing crap around. Grow up.
 

Jex =TE=

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2.3 hasn't been released yet, so no, you're not paying to play it on release day. You'll play it on release day for free. Because it'll be, you know, released.

No it's getting released on Beta - they're just saying that it's beta to get more money. We all know the bugs don't get fixed so if that is the case, they're really releasing it and calling it beta aren't they.

If they're not, charging for testing your game is still an issue we have and that isn't going to change. Let's have another 30 pages where we keep saying the same thing though ;)
 
Yes if it was mandatory it would be wrong. What his and mine and others point here is that you paid for the season already and now you're paying on top of that to play it on release day. FD are then making everyone else wait to play it that paid for it. Some people have issues with that.

Where your entire failure is that you blame FD for "paid beta access". The very simple truth is that it is not FD's fault at all. If you need to "blame" someone. Blame the players that ARE willing to pay.

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No it's getting released on Beta - they're just saying that it's beta to get more money. We all know the bugs don't get fixed so if that is the case, they're really releasing it and calling it beta aren't they.

If they're not, charging for testing your game is still an issue we have and that isn't going to change. Let's have another 30 pages where we keep saying the same thing though ;)

If you think they never fix bugs you just need to take a look at the beta update threads to be proven wrong. That's also the reason I know you are trolling. You know you are wrong and how easy it it to prove you wrong, and still you don't care. Stop lying. Stop throwing crap around. Otherwise it's clear that you are a troll.
 
It's not all about bugchasing*, there's valuable feedback to be gathered as well. EG you currently lose your ship name and ID when you're killed. I left an extremely valuable & useful feedback post questioning whether that's deliberate. I have also made a gloriously insightful suggestion regarding launcher usability.

Apparently, if you post ten really good ideas on these forums, David Braben will allow you to touch his OBE if you happen to meet him in person.

*That was an 80s thing. Ask your parents.
 

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Where your entire failure is that you blame FD for "paid beta access". The very simple truth is that it is not FD's fault at all. If you need to "blame" someone. Blame the players that ARE willing to pay.

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No, it's not an "entire" failure. Don't be so dramatic and short sighted. FD don't have to charge either much like most other companies don't charge. Are you saying these other companies don't have the same expenses FD have because that's obviously untrue. So we have FD who like money and will charge where other companies won't. My money goes to those companies, not greedy devs who release cheap content and then charge early access for that cheap content.
 

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If you think they never fix bugs you just need to take a look at the beta update threads to be proven wrong. That's also the reason I know you are trolling. You know you are wrong and how easy it it to prove you wrong, and still you don't care. Stop lying. Stop throwing crap around. Otherwise it's clear that you are a troll.

We didn't start this conversation on bug fixes so what are YOU talking about? This is what you said back on page 16...

Most of us didn't hand over our money for nothing. We have beta access because of kickstarter, LEP, etc. They only added beta access to the store because some people asked for it. They wanted to give them money.

To which I agreed with you and added the point that I wasn't berating early backers as they had paid and couldn't get their money back (not only that, but they also get lifetime updates so why would they want their money back).

Now somehow the conversation has come around to bugs and I'm trolling because I think the lack of bug fixing is an issue??
 
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